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Subject: Nobody understands
Date: 04/13/2007

Hi,

First of all thank you for taking the time to read this i really appricate it.

My Fiances mother, who over the years has become one of my great friends also, was diagnosed with cancer 8 weeks ago. she does not want to know any thing other than she has it.

Two weeks before her father was diagnosed with incurable lung cancer, althugh he is older and doing very well considering....

She has cancer in her bladder, bone and liver, she heard yesterday, by accident, from the docters understudy, she also has it in the lungs, they cannot find the primary cancer. they are giving her 2 types of chemo.

From my own research i can only conclude this is stage 4 cancer, as far as i am aware she only has one type of cancer which has spread throughout the body and if by chance they are now treating the correct cancer this is very lucky. i have read that with this type of cancer the time scale to live is about 6 months to a year?

Can anyone tell me if this is correct?

I feel lost as noone in our family wants to talk about this, noone wants to look for trials or get counceling.

i am working a ful ltime job and i am trying to help everyone as well as trying to come to terms with this myself. there is certain things she will only tell me so i have be there to talk things out and help with the house work and the hospital visits as well as making sure she eats, everyone turns to me for advice on this, i feel like yelling out i'm not this strong. i feel exhaused and worn down. i will fight on though and i am really hoping to get support here, i know it's alot to ask from strangers.

i am hoping that some can advise me as i am lost, while i have suffered loss in my life, i have never faced this, i am dreading what is to come, i don't want to see this strong person in my life wilt away in pain and suffering. she is 43 and has a 12 year old son, her greatest wish now is to see him reach 18?

is there a possibility this will happen and what should i prepare myself for if the worse is to happen?

i have told my fiance to make the most of now, to gather all the advice he can from her, to spend as mch time as possibe over the coming months, i have canceled summer holidays as i want to go somewhere local with her.

Am i making the right choice?

Can anyone advise me i would greatly appricate this.

Thank you,

Tanya

 

 

Subject: RE: Nobody understands
Date: 04/13/2007
Emotionally - we could be twins. I WAS working full time, but it's my husband who is sick. His Dad has dementia, his Mom is going nuts. We were always the ones who took care of them. As far as advice - I'm doing exactly what you're doing, hearing the same things. So, I have no clue - we just do it. (SORRY!) Guess I wanted you to know, you are so not alone. I DO know though, you do have to take some time for yourself. It's very hard, but when you do, even just to do grocery shopping - take extra time. It really does make a difference  - a little refresher, reprieve from everything - even if it's an hour. Really - even just an hour. Wishing you the best and God Bless.
Subject: RE: Nobody understands
Date: 07/14/2007

 Emotional triplets ?  How do any of us cope with the fact we may lose a loved one?

 In the past week MY husband who is 47 has beeen diagnosed with gr.4 GBM and the doctors have done surgery and given him 16 months to live.

  We have 6 children the youngest is 7 and I am not ready for him to die. I wil do everything in my power to keep him healthy and happy.

 I have bought a juicer and will soon be giving organic juices and whtever else my research shows may help.

 We are both christians and have to say that the strengh we draw from Jesus is  amazing. I know that after he dies we will see him again. But it's the coping without him in the meantime.

 I'm no expert but truly I get by with alittle help from my friends.  We all need to reach out to each other and just to be there to listen. I'm finding this forum is fantastic. I don't feel so alone.

 God Bless you, Anita.

Subject: That makes four :)
Date: 07/14/2007
This board has been an absolute blessing to me. My Mom just found out the end of May, that her mother has breast, liver and bone cancer. Last week, also found out her Dad has "spot on lung". I am the oldest "kid" and "grandkid" I'm 30..I am going crazy because everyone is just "la,la,la,la,la" about the whole thing.. My grandma has had so many different diagnosis from so many doctors and so many lost tests...etc.. It's so frustrating that at a time like this it seems like no one cares.              The icing on the cake was last night one of my "friends" freaked out at me. She was having a fit because she had gotten all ready to go out to some crappy bar and I told her my migraine was so bad I was going to bed. She called me "selfish and said I had a pathetic life"  I was 100% there for her when her Dad died unexpectedly 2years ago. UGGG!! so I lay down and my Mom calls at midnite to tell me how now grandma had this cancer on her bone.etc... I talked and listened to her from midnight until 3am. Guess I'm selfish....  Xoxo
Subject: RE: emotional triplets
Date: 07/14/2007

 

On 7/14/2007 lab-lady wrote:

 Emotional triplets ?  How do any of us cope with the fact we may lose a loved one?

 In the past week MY husband who is 47 has beeen diagnosed with gr.4 GBM and the doctors have done surgery and given him 16 months to live.

  We have 6 children the youngest is 7 and I am not ready for him to die. I wil do everything in my power to keep him healthy and happy.

 I have bought a juicer and will soon be giving organic juices and whtever else my research shows may help.

 We are both christians and have to say that the strengh we draw from Jesus is  amazing. I know that after he dies we will see him again. But it's the coping without him in the meantime.

 I'm no expert but truly I get by with alittle help from my friends.  We all need to reach out to each other and just to be there to listen. I'm finding this forum is fantastic. I don't feel so alone.

 God Bless you, Anita.


 

Lab-Lady...You get wife of the century in my book girl..You are truly a mentor to me... With all those babies on top of everything else... You are an angel..Absolutely Amazing.....Xoxo
Subject: RE: Nobody understands
Date: 07/14/2007

 

On 4/13/2007 Tanya22 wrote:

Hi,

First of all thank you for taking the time to read this i really appricate it.

My Fiances mother, who over the years has become one of my great friends also, was diagnosed with cancer 8 weeks ago. she does not want to know any thing other than she has it.

Two weeks before her father was diagnosed with incurable lung cancer, althugh he is older and doing very well considering....

She has cancer in her bladder, bone and liver, she heard yesterday, by accident, from the docters understudy, she also has it in the lungs, they cannot find the primary cancer. they are giving her 2 types of chemo.

From my own research i can only conclude this is stage 4 cancer, as far as i am aware she only has one type of cancer which has spread throughout the body and if by chance they are now treating the correct cancer this is very lucky. i have read that with this type of cancer the time scale to live is about 6 months to a year?

Can anyone tell me if this is correct?

I feel lost as noone in our family wants to talk about this, noone wants to look for trials or get counceling.

i am working a ful ltime job and i am trying to help everyone as well as trying to come to terms with this myself. there is certain things she will only tell me so i have be there to talk things out and help with the house work and the hospital visits as well as making sure she eats, everyone turns to me for advice on this, i feel like yelling out i'm not this strong. i feel exhaused and worn down. i will fight on though and i am really hoping to get support here, i know it's alot to ask from strangers.

i am hoping that some can advise me as i am lost, while i have suffered loss in my life, i have never faced this, i am dreading what is to come, i don't want to see this strong person in my life wilt away in pain and suffering. she is 43 and has a 12 year old son, her greatest wish now is to see him reach 18?

is there a possibility this will happen and what should i prepare myself for if the worse is to happen?

i have told my fiance to make the most of now, to gather all the advice he can from her, to spend as mch time as possibe over the coming months, i have canceled summer holidays as i want to go somewhere local with her.

Am i making the right choice?

Can anyone advise me i would greatly appricate this.

Thank you,

Tanya

 

 


Hi Tanya

I hope your fiance's mother has agreed to treatment by now.  I just wanted to let you know I had a similar first response.  I was diagnosed on June 4 but told on May 30 that it was probable that I had either lymphoma or squamous cell carcinoma.  I accepted it but went into a shut down mode for a period - even after my official dianosis after surgery on June 4.  I had to embrace the dianosis first.  My fiance began researching it on May 30 as a way to prove that I didn't have cancer.  He immediately began researching it on June 4 to see what my options were.  I believe everyone is different and I have always been the sort that wants to know everything about any subject if faced with something.  This time was different - I had to take in small amounts of information at a time.  It took me about 4-6 weeks to get to a point that I am ready for the info but others have probably dealt with it differently. 

Enjoy one day at a time and keep in mind - if God gives us no expiration date don't let anyone else either.  Accept it only when there is absolutely no hope.  Cancer Treatment Center of America specializes in cases when other doctors/hospitals have given up hope.  One success story is of a woman who was given months to live when she came to CTCA and has now been cancer free for 7 years.  I am not a spokesperson for CTCA - but a patient who will begin radiation and chemo treatments there on June 24.  

Have you ever read "Footprints"?  It is where a person is questioning why there were two sets of footprints as they walked through life (theirs and God's) but at times during life there were only one set - to which God replied that it was the time that He carried them.  I know there will be rough times ahead and there will be times that there will be only one set - and I am depending on that - that He will carry me through my journey ahead.  Your fianace's family is very fortunate to have such a caring person as you to guide them through. 

Diana     

Subject: RE: That makes four :)
Date: 07/14/2007

 

On 7/14/2007 seville wrote:

This board has been an absolute blessing to me. My Mom just found out the end of May, that her mother has breast, liver and bone cancer. Last week, also found out her Dad has "spot on lung". I am the oldest "kid" and "grandkid" I'm 30..I am going crazy because everyone is just "la,la,la,la,la" about the whole thing.. My grandma has had so many different diagnosis from so many doctors and so many lost tests...etc.. It's so frustrating that at a time like this it seems like no one cares.              The icing on the cake was last night one of my "friends" freaked out at me. She was having a fit because she had gotten all ready to go out to some crappy bar and I told her my migraine was so bad I was going to bed. She called me "selfish and said I had a pathetic life"  I was 100% there for her when her Dad died unexpectedly 2years ago. UGGG!! so I lay down and my Mom calls at midnite to tell me how now grandma had this cancer on her bone.etc... I talked and listened to her from midnight until 3am. Guess I'm selfish....  Xoxo

Hi

It sounds as if you may be running on overload and that is perfectly natural.  I am twice your age and I can honestly say at 30 I did not want to think about someone I loved dying.  At 60 it becomes a part of life - as my grandma used to say, "death is a part of life - the final stage".  We do not want it for those we love or ourselves - but accept that it will happen someday.  Please don't think it is because your family members don't care.

As for your "friend??" - some people grow up a little faster than others (and some never at all).  From the sounds of it, she is more of an acquaintance - someone to hang out with - rather than a true friend.  Friends are there for each other - when a friend is in pain you are also - and you want to ease your friend's pain.  I would look around for a "true friend" - one with more substance who will consider your feelings first rather than theirs.  You are not being selfish - you are hurting and need someone to be there for you.  I wish you the best and will remember you in my prayers this morning - prayers help immensely.

Diana 

Subject: RE: That makes four :)
Date: 07/14/2007

 

On 7/14/2007 Dlynn1210 wrote:

 

On 7/14/2007 seville wrote:

This board has been an absolute blessing to me. My Mom just found out the end of May, that her mother has breast, liver and bone cancer. Last week, also found out her Dad has "spot on lung". I am the oldest "kid" and "grandkid" I'm 30..I am going crazy because everyone is just "la,la,la,la,la" about the whole thing.. My grandma has had so many different diagnosis from so many doctors and so many lost tests...etc.. It's so frustrating that at a time like this it seems like no one cares.              The icing on the cake was last night one of my "friends" freaked out at me. She was having a fit because she had gotten all ready to go out to some crappy bar and I told her my migraine was so bad I was going to bed. She called me "selfish and said I had a pathetic life"  I was 100% there for her when her Dad died unexpectedly 2years ago. UGGG!! so I lay down and my Mom calls at midnite to tell me how now grandma had this cancer on her bone.etc... I talked and listened to her from midnight until 3am. Guess I'm selfish....  Xoxo

Hi

It sounds as if you may be running on overload and that is perfectly natural.  I am twice your age and I can honestly say at 30 I did not want to think about someone I loved dying.  At 60 it becomes a part of life - as my grandma used to say, "death is a part of life - the final stage".  We do not want it for those we love or ourselves - but accept that it will happen someday.  Please don't think it is because your family members don't care.

As for your "friend??" - some people grow up a little faster than others (and some never at all).  From the sounds of it, she is more of an acquaintance - someone to hang out with - rather than a true friend.  Friends are there for each other - when a friend is in pain you are also - and you want to ease your friend's pain.  I would look around for a "true friend" - one with more substance who will consider your feelings first rather than theirs.  You are not being selfish - you are hurting and need someone to be there for you.  I wish you the best and will remember you in my prayers this morning - prayers help immensely.

Diana 

PS  If you ever need to talk - I will be on as often as I can - my radiation and chemo treatments start on June 24 and I will be on here as often as possible.  I know young people may not think us older folks understand but sweetie we were young once and have been there - done that.  Sometimes it helps to get a perspective from someone who is past that period in their life.  This board is a great place to vent which helps so much when you are in pain. 

Diana

 

Subject: RE: Nobody understands
Date: 07/14/2007

Dear Tanya,

You are going through so much, and it's so hard when others are depending upon you.  It makes you feel as if you're the only one with information, the only one who is brave enough to ask questions of doctors, the only one who will confront the situation with courage and reality.

I am in the same situation.  My father, 87, has stage IV tongue cancer, and the doctors have given him a poor prognosis.  He acts as if this will all go away quickly and easily.  He has not included my brother in his life, nor does he call him anymore.  There was never a split between them, my father just doesn't call him.  This is very hard on my brother, as he had a stroke in October, and talking about our father is way too stressful, and it raises his blood pressure dangerously.  So here I am.  In addition, my father has a new woman friend, but she can't and doesn't cook other than maybe opening a can of soup or pouring a bowl of cereal.  She messed up macaroni and cheese, which is pretty unbelievable to me.  She doesn't know the right things for him to eat.

She must be hanging around for other reasons, I don't know.  My father is 6' tall, and now weighs 141.  He asked his handyman to punch two more holes in his belts, so I know he must be very, very thin.  He lives in Arizona and I live in Michigan, so I receive information from the person he hired to cook and clean.  Now he won't let her (C.) cook anymore because he doesn't want to pay.  She is extremely reasonable, $-wise, but my father insists she not cook.  So he's been getting along on very little food, skipping meals, or eating out.  I have asked C. to buy fresh fruits and vegetables.  She has.  They sit in the refrigerator so long C. eventually has to throw them out.  It's a discouraging situation.

And, long distance, he asks me what to do.  Will I be able to eat when I have the PEG tube?  It was placed yesterday.  He drank a Boost and had a negative but normal reaction.  He had six teeth pulled and the partials didn't fit so he now has to wait until next week.  Meantime, he can only have liquids.  C. is doing a wonderful job (he has allowed her to start cooking again) of finding things he can tolerate.  I know this will get worse when treatment starts.

He forgets appointments.  He forgot his first dental appointment.  He forgot to go have his blood drawn prior to having the PEG tube placed.  A nurse friend had to be called to draw that blood with phone authorization from the doctor.  He loses his paperwork.  He forgets to pay bills.

And his new friend looks to me.  She seems to know nothing.  I worry a lot because it will be up to her to keep the PEG tube and abdominal area scrupulously clean.  She seems quite inept.  I worry because she doesn't seem on top of changes in him from day to day.

I sit at my computer and research for hours.  I call him to tell him what I have learned -- a lot from this forum.  He says, "Yes, mmm-hmmmm."  Does nothing.

Treatment won't start until he's completely healed from the dental work.  He is a very difficult person, and I am tired of him yelling and screaming at me on the phone when I am only trying to help.  I have stopped calling him, for the most part, as I have epilepsy, and that kind of stress could send me right back into seizures.  It's been two years since the last ones, and I want to keep that going.

Sometimes I feel like giving up trying to help.  My emotions get so tangled.  But I don't, of course.  I try to keep in mind that it's the cancer talking.  Although.....he has pretty much always been like this.  The cancer just exacerbates it.

I, too, am twice your age, Tanya, but I hope you will glean bits and pieces from my post that might be helpful.  When I took care of my mom during a six-year illness prior to her death, it was pure pleasure, even when I was dog-tired, because she always expressed how she appreciated everything I did, and how much she loved me.  It's so different with my father.  He is so cranky. 

So....I see that I have written too much about myself.  I guess I had to vent, too.  This IS a great place to do that.

In the meantime, do things for yourself.  You have a life to live, a very busy one at that, and it is so extremely important that you take time for YOU.  Attend to your responsibilities, but after that, let yourself have an hour for a little mindless TV.  Take walks.  Take a nap.  Something that helped me immensely was writing about it.  That seemed to get all the feelings out of me and onto paper.  Then you could throw that paper away.  I kept it all and have it still, but do whatever works for you.  I live near the beach, and I used to go down and walk, pick up stones, name those stones, and then toss them into the lake.  Some of the "names" of those stones were WORRY, FATIGUE, FRUSTRATION, ANXIETY, SADNESS.  You could do this on a walk, too.  I know it sounds a little silly, but for me it seemed to lighten the load.

When my mom was ill I was teaching full-time, we had an exchange student from Switzerland (she and our daughter didn't particularly get along), and crisis after crisis would occur medically.  I was out of bed in the middle of the night to run over to her apartment, I took her blood pressure several times a day, I called 911, I talked to doctors on the phone at all hours of the day and night, I took her to all her doctor appointments, drove her to ER when necessary, learned how to cook for a diabetic (which they discovered she was after two "silent" heart attacks).  And I would do it all over again and more if given the chance.  How I miss her.  She died 12 years ago.

It is a heavy load you are carrying, Tanya.  You don't need to be told that.  But to take care of yourself is so important that I cannot stress it enough.  Do it for yourself, but also remember that you will not be strong enough or sometimes even awake enough to do the caring if you do not treat yourself well.

Get a friend and do something for an afternoon.  If you can't spare an afternoon, start to think in terms of hours.  Read a book.  Here's another strange sort of suggestion, but it worked so well for me that I will pass it on to you.  First, I am in no way an artist.  OK.  I got 25 pounds of clay, and I used to close my eyes, and put a gob of clay in my hands.   Working that clay was enormously healing to me.  At one point I watched what I was doing, and I made 14 faces, all in some version of pain.  I attached them one to the other, and called it "Panel of Pain."  I kept it for a long time.  Looking at it reminded me of everything I had bottled up.  But making it was the best.

Get a good counselor.  This was a lifesaver for me.  At one point when my mom spent the summer at University of Michigan Hospital and I was living with my in-laws 50 minutes away, my counselor would call me at 8:00 in the morning for a telephone hour just so I could talk, cry, be upset or whatever.  And that dear man never charged me for those calls.  It was one of the best gifts.

This is way too long.  Please let me know how you're doing, as I care a lot.  Oh, one last thing, Tanya.  Let friends do things for you, whether it's cooking meals, cleaning your house, mowing your lawn, taking care of your children, whatever.  They want to know what to do.  Go ahead and tell them.  It will be so helpful.

Friends in this,

Maggie   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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