Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

Greetings

My beloved beardie of nearly 15 years has just been diagnosed with bladder cancer. We have decided not to allow surgery. She is too old now but of course we don't want to loose her or allow her to suffer. Your comments on Graviola were very interesting. Where can I buy some? I have looked on the web but only found it in tea or capsules. You mentioned drops. I would appreciate any help - I want her to have the best quality time possible.

Thank you

Dogtartan - Cairnbell Bearded Collies.

I am so sorry to learn of your Collie's Tcc. It IS such heatbreaking news! I have some GOOD news!

You asked about the Graviola drops...which I have given my Rhodesian Ridgeback since March 4th with great results!! I have bought them online through this site: www.allvita.net

Graviola is explained below.I copied and pasted it from the site so others could see it too. It is an ALTERNATIVE medicine, as are all herbs, and it is an herb. I wouldn't recommend using both herbs and western medicine, as it's costly and probably redundant in most cases. We give our 75 pound RR 50 drops a day in 3/4 cup of warm water over her kibble.Two weeks on, one week off..no graviola the third week.

After reading about all the carb- causing carcinogens, I should switch her back to raw food. After NO other medicine since March but these drops, I must tell you her urine is still clear and she appears healthy and happy.Today is August 28th. She has a big walk every day (she'll be 11 in early November) On her 10th birthday we discovered the dreaded bloody urine and finally had the diagnosis 5 days before Christmas...yah! Anyway, we are Very VERY pleased with her results. I might add that for the first 5 weeks we did have her on Peroxicam but I read the studies online and decided it was not for us..maybe later...this sounded like it was worth a try,our Vet is amazed... read on...

Graviola Spagyric Extract
-It's been called a miracle tree. Indigenous peoples from the Amazon jungle have used the bark, leaves, roots, flowers, fruit, and seed from the graviola tree for centuries to treat heart disease, asthma, liver prob-lems, and arthritis. Scientists from North America learned of the legendary healing tree and, through dozens of in vitro tests, discovered its ability to kill malignant cells of 12 different types of cancer, including ovarian, colon, breast, prostate, lung, liver, cervical, lymphoma, and pancreatic cancer. Laboratory research showed it to be 10,000 times stronger in killing colon cancer cells than Adriamycin, a commonly used chemotherapy drug. And Graviola, unlike chemotherapy, can kill cancer cells without harming healthy cells.

In Spagyric processing, the raw materials are initially soaked in natural solutions that allow access to otherwise insoluble elements.
Next, the plant fiber is separated and reduced to alkaline ash. This whole process takes weeks and transforms each component.

Then, the ash and the liquids are re-combined. Nothing is wasted. The finished product retains the plant's original constitution, but with much more strength, focus, absorbability and healing potential than a raw plant provides.

Greetings,

Thnx for prompt reply. Glad to hear Diva is doing well, long may it continue. I managed to order some graviola. You mentioned putting Pipa on a raw diet. Can you tell me something about what sort of food you mean please? I know about raw chicken wings but she is just not keen at all. Your comments would be appreciated.

Regards, Dogtartan

Where did you buy the Graviola? I found some capsules in a local Denver pharmacy that had Graviola in them, with something else. I declined to use them, though, when I couldn't find a suitable dosing amount/regimen for a 15 lb. dog. I am, howver, using Robert McDowell's (herbalist from Australia) Maritime Pine Bark Extract, and TCC Support (extract from other herbs, such as dandelion, chamomile, etc.) I found his info when I googled "canine bladder cancer). Bailey is also taking Piroxicam, and, after a horrible first weekend, has been doing quite well for nearly three weeks. Seems to have more energy, and is quite playful.
Also, where did you get your dosing recommendation?
Thanks for your help. This is the first message board I have ever posted on, and all of you have been terrific help.
Paige and Bailey

Greetings

I bought Graviola (or at least I have ordered and paid for it, not yet recvd) from the site recommended to me by Nannyno, message 42. www.allvita.net. I have checked with my vet to see if it is safe to take with PLT and Propalin but the manufacturers of these drugs do not know the answer and advise proceed with caution. Is anyone else using conventional medicine in conjunction with Graviola?? Pipa is on PLT for arthritis and the propalin for weakness of the bladder sphincter. Neither of which she can do without.

This is the first time I have ever used a message board too and have found it all very helpful.

All the best everyone and thanks, Dogtartan

We had a checkup with our Holistic vet last
night, and I asked him about Graviola with
Piroxicam and the other herbs we have Ryle on.
He didn't know, but he didn't think there would
be a problem using it with Piroxicam. I asked
him about taking our dog off Piroxicam and going
all natural. He didn't think that was a good
idea and wanted us to continue with Piroxicam.

Does anyone else know anything about Graviola
and Piroxicam?

thanks much,
Ryle's Mom, Shele

Good morning Lynn,
My beloved 13 year old beardie Gandalf was diagnosed with bladder cancer July 14th...It was horrible.. I put him on graviola,flaxseed oil,echinacea,goldenseal,
piroxicam...Last Wednesday he was re-checked...Not only has the cancer not grown,He is in better shape than two months ago...Our Vet was soooo excited and
told us what ever we are doing to stay with it...We cried all day....If we have him six more months or six more years,he is happy and healthy and runny around like the crazy beardie we know and love!!!!Please listen to all this wonderful advice on the message board. Our beardies deserve the best. They have given us nothing less....
Gandalf's Elated Mom Pam

Greetings Pam

Thank you for your reply. Gives me great hope for Pipa. I have had the order for the Graviola confirmed and hope to start it as soon as it arrives. A friend has also recommend a good organic diet. I will give it all a go. As you say our beardies (and all other animals) deserve our best efforts. Long may Gandalf play happily.

With hope, Lynn

My 9 year old golden retriever was diagnosed with bladder cancer in April. Needless to say, I did nothing but cry for weeks. He is now more spoiled than ever, as he should be. But I was curious when you say your dog is "blocked up." How can you tell? Chipper is on Piroxicam (10 mg.) in the morning (he's 83 pounds). Before he gets that, I give him 4 Pepcid AC and Regelan for his stomach. I'm going to ask the vet about Cytotec. It sounds great.

With half an hour after he eats, he starts panting and wanting to go out every 15 minutes or less. He pees okay the first time out in the morning, but not as good as it used to be. Then after a while, nothing comes out or maybe a fewt drops of blood. Also, in the first few hours after Piroxicam, we notice dribbles of blood on the tile floor here and there. As the day wears on, it gets less and less. He never cries -- he even plays all morning with his stuffed animals and his bones. You'd never know anything is wrong with him.

Also, he's on Science Diet Prescription I/D dog food (half canned, half dry) with baked chicken 4 times a day. I put his medications (now he's on Cirpo -- done the Baytrill/Clavomax route) in his food.

I'm curious as to the signs when things are getting much worse and how to know when he's blocked. He's such a good boy and loves everyone. I keep asking myself, "Why him."

I'm really feeling guilty because I feel that I'm part of the cause of his cancer. We lived on a golf course and he used to love to run and play ball "after hours." Now I find out that golf courses use heavy duty pesticides and fertilizers. I'm just sick about it.

And carbs -- guess we'd better check into this a little more closely. How about green beans carrots? He loves those.

Any help would be grateful.

Susan (Chipper's mom)

Chippers mom wrote: I'm curious as to the signs when things are getting much worse and how to know when he's blocked. He's such a good boy and loves everyone. I keep asking myself, "Why him." I'm really feeling guilty because I feel that I'm part of the cause of his cancer. We lived on a golf course and he used to love to run and play ball "after hours." Now I find out that golf courses use heavy duty pesticides and fertilizers. I'm just sick about it. And carbs -- guess we'd better check into this a little more closely. How about green beans carrots? He loves those. Any help would be grateful. Susan (Chipper's mom)

Hi Susan,
Don't beat yourself up about being "part of the cuase"! You love your dog and his whole life until this very moment have obviously done everything in your power to make him happy, healthy and loved. This cancer stinks and it's not any fault of ours. I can only answer from my own exp. with Shelby. Carbs will feed a cancer, but we've found now that a little bread, or rice, etc is better for shelby and her stomach at times. I went totally no carbs with her for a few months, but if it helps her eat or feel better now she can have some bread. I'm not going to put her through anything more than what she's already gone through and bread isn't the bad guy at this point. If your dogs loves carrots why take away his favorite food when he already feels crummy? maybe limit them, you decide your his mom. About being "blocked up". Shelby will pee in drips over a few hours or a day. First 20, then only 10, then 5 strained and finally she's panting and running for the door like a crazed person and nothing comes out. It's maddening for her and for us and we've had it happen about 3 times since her diagnosis. After the first I realized she needed a full time anitbiotic. Then after the second we switched antibiotics and then this last time we went to clavamox and the Bethanechol. I don't know if this would help him with his spuratic urinating but our vet tried it with our Shelby and whether it was this med or the clavamox ..who knows, but something has her peeing quite well. Per one website "Bethanechol is used to relieve difficulties in urinating caused by surgery, drugs, or other factors."
Shelby is 50 pounds and takes 10mg 2 times a day. Our vet thought if the tumor was resting on a nerve or someting that this drug may help. We were at our "last shot" point back them and so far so good (knock wood).
Good luck with your Chipper and let us know how you're doing and what your vet says.
Chrissi & Shelby