Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

Dear Animal lovers: Graviola works but I forget how much.  Here is a website that treats humans and animals with natural remedies and has great success with dogs. www.polymva.com  you might want to checkit out..MMS

On 2/4/2005 Nannyno wrote:

I have a Sweet sweet sweet, ten year old Rhodesian Ridgeback named Diva. She is fighting the big fight right now, Tranitional cell carcinoma, in her bladder(4cm x5cm). She was diagnosed a month ago, and is asymtomatic except for bloody urine. She is in no apparent discomfort. I am giving her Piroxicam, an nsai, and have been for one month. Her regular Vet. insists it will see her through the major discomfort down the road...until she can no longer tolerate it. Without an operation, we want to shrink her tumor and slow it down, (irradicate would be BEST) with Graviola. Don't know how much to give a 75 pound girl. Does anyone out there have any experience with giving it to a dog? SO Gratefully Yours, Nannyno

 

hello, I just lost my poor almost 11 year old dog kahlua on Thurs. My heart is shattered :( I wanted to share his story in the hopes it may help someone else. Kahlua began having blood in his urine over a year ago. We took him to a vet who treated it as a uti several times with antibiotics. They did seem to stop the blood in the urine each time. It would clear up and then recur. Finally, last July 2007 the vet decided to do an ultrasound and found a tumor in his bladder. We found out on a Mon night and the vet told my husband, who had been the one who took Kahlua to the appoint, that he felt it would be best to remove the tumor and that he could do the surgery the following morning because he had a cancellation. Otherwise we would have to wait a month before his next available appoint as he was going on vacation. He told my husband that he felt kahlua would do fine with the surgery. The surgery would cost $1000, which my husband agreed to right away.. we really wanted to save Kahlua. He came home with him that night and I began researching furiously. I did read something that said often times surgery can make the TCC spread even faster...i had such a heavy heart trying to make such a difficult decision in a matter of hours. The vet had totally convinced my husband that it was the best option. I had a gut feeling not to do it but felt i didn't have any options. So the next morning Kahlua had the surgery. When he came home the next day, he looked so sad and miserable. I felt so bad. The vet said the surgery went well that he didn't feel the tumor was even TCC. But when the patholgy report came back it did confirm TCC, but that the margins around it were clear. The vet felt he had removed it all. We asked if he should go on piroxicam, which I had read about here and he said not to. He had no control of his bladder for almost 3 weeks after...pee would just dribble out and he would just lie in it..it was heatbreaking to watch. After 3 weeks he started to come around. But he never seemed as agile as before. In nov he seemed like he was having alot of trouble with his joints...one night he woke us crying in pain. We took him back to the same vet who prescribed Metacam for arthritis. He seemed to improve for a few weeks, but by xmas he seemed to slow down again and we would have to carry him up the stairs at times(.I now wonder if it wasn't arthritis at all mabe the cancer was in his bones.) Then the week after xmas he developed a hacking cough. On dec 31 we took him back to the SAME vet who said it was an irritated trachea and sent him home with some pills. He took all of the pills but never really improved. Then last Sat we took him back to a different vet. This vet said it seemed like his spleen was enlarged and wanted an xray. He went for the xray last mon night and found there were tumors all over his spleen, liver and lungs, also he was full of fluid and his heart was very enlarged. The vet said there was nothing he could do except try to keep him comfortable for the time he had left. We brought him home but he went downhill very quickly. On wed night his breathing became VERy intense and we knew we couldn't have him suffer any longer....as soon as the vet open on Thurs we brought him in and had him pts.....it was the hardest thing I've ever done. I miss him sooo much :) He was my best friend , always by my side, always giving me kisses and cuddles. I feel so guilty for making him go through the surgery. he was never the same after. I feel so angry at the vet seeming to do all the wrong things. I feel mad he didn't order more tests along the way. We never cared about the cost as long as Kahlua was happy.We would have refinanced the house for him!! If I had my time back I would have insisted on the piroxicam and maybe not even bothered with the surgery. It made him miserable and seemed to have spread the cancer like wildfire. I pray you all have a better experience with your precious furbabies. Make sure to love them and spoil everyday. I never imagined I would lose Kahlua so fast :) Take care, Kahluas mom

 

On 1/25/2008 DarrenJM wrote:

Hi Marty and Annie,

I've been reading through these 600 or more messages and I've laughed and cried and learned a ton. Our 14 year old Sheltie- Brannigan was diagnosed with Tcc in July 2007. She has a mass in the trigone area that is 3.1 cm by 1.0 cm thick. We have her on Piroxicam and twice daily Amoil. She gets a chronic infection without the antibiotic. She weighs 30 lbs and has not lost any weight. We were in denial about her illness because she is acting too 'normal'  Does anyone recommend laser surgery? What is the cost for this procedure? Brannnigan is our first child and has been with us since before we married, we love he so much and want to extend her life as long as possible like everyone else. She doesn't look or act like a senior dog :)Does Graviola have any side effects? We are willing to try anything.

Allana & Darren 

 

 Hi Allana & Darren,

I am sorry to hear about your Brannigan. I have  read that Shelties, Westies and Scotties all have a predisposition for TCC.  I am glad to hear she is still with you. Annie's tumor is in the same location.  I have not had an ultrasound done on her since the summer of 2005 so I don't know the size of it, but I have to say in some ways her symptoms seem better than ever.  Does Brannigan have trouble peeing or a great frequency?  When I told my vet how agile  and perky Annie still seemed, he said that the piroxicam is good for that; it relieves the aches and pains a 13 year old dog might normally be feeling.  So I guess in someway that is a benefit (a benefit I would rather not have, but....)

I have to tell you, I truly feel I would move heaven and earth to do anything I could for Annie, but we did not go for the graviola.  I have read many postings by members on this board who I respect and admire and they swear by it.  When I asked Annie's oncologist, he was not adverse to it, but did not have any anecdotal information to prove it was beneficial.  He told me I could give it a try and if it worked, we could write a paper on it. I was still thinking of trying it, but I couldn't find a health food store at all in my area that carried it.  So, I didn't put her on it.  

I am very lucky to have a cutting edge veterinarian clinic fairly close. I trust Annie's doctor, he is younger than I am and I think he's a bit afraid of me.  I will never leave her there alone for anything. She and I have sat there for hours so that I can be outside when she has a test done.  Just a couple of months ago, I asked him if he was positive we were doing everything we could for Annie.  I wanted to be sure he was staying up on things--Purdue is doing studies on TCC right now, I've sent them a blood sample from Annie--he thinks we are doing very well.  So, no operation for Annie--from the start, the vet told me that for her, at least, an operation was not going to be a beneficial alternative.

So there you have our story; I tend to go on and on and I'm sorry. I really have no answers for anyone.  I just know two things, for sure: Worrying about this only hurts you.  Enjoy every second you are given with your dog--step away from the computer and throw her a ball.  We are all going to have the same ending to this story and then is the time for tears--not now! and When Annie was diagnosed, the mean survival rate for a dog with TCC was 180 days, that was 1000 days ago. We've had three Christmases and three summers together. I wish sometimes I never knew of her diagnosis because the knowledge is always there with me, but I've tried to use that knowledge to enjoy every moment with her. I kiss her goodnight  each night and we wake up overjoyed to see each other in the morning (the truth be told, she's actually overjoyed at the prospect of breakfast, but....)

Anyway, enjoy your pup. I wish you great luck; feel free to ask me any questions you might have; I have no answers.

Marty & her Fair & Gentle Annie 

 

Brannigan sometimes has trouble peeing. Often, in the am her first pee in the morning is a little trickle and she will want to go out 2 or 3 more times and then will pee better. We are gone to work from 0815 am until 1730, it is a long day for her but never any accidents. We let her out about 15 times during the evening to ensure she empties her bladder as much as possible. We are afraid that she will not be able to pee at all as the tumor grows and may block things, so we watch her like a hawk. It is humorous- she will look back to see if we are watching. I think we are making her a bit paranoid! Although she is 14 years old, she was never sick or had any ailments prior to July 2007. She has slept on the duvet at the foot of our bed her whole life!

You are right when you say, don't be sad- just enjoy her! We are trying but sometimes the sadness takes over. Just the same when a family member is sick or terminal.  The feelings are the same.

Thanks for all of the kind words and good advice!

Allana & Darren 

We're coming up on the one year anniversary of TCC in our 9 year old pit-mix.  We've been giving him 2 - 600 mg graviola capsules twice a day.  He's about 55 pounds.  When I originally consulted with my vet, he suggested half the human dose, which is 3 capsules 3 times a day.  

We have never used any western medication on him.  Other than the graviola we changed his food to Pet Promise, no by-products or preservatives.  He hasn't had any shedding (blood in the urine) in over four  months. Before that, after a few weeks on the graviola his shedding subsided to every few months but just a couple days a month.  And, before we started the graviola it was every time he urinated for weeks on end. 

Good luck.   

 

 

On 1/25/2008 mmsurvivor wrote:

Dear Animal lovers: Graviola works but I forget how much.  Here is a website that treats humans and animals with natural remedies and has great success with dogs. www.polymva.com  you might want to checkit out..MMS

On 2/4/2005 Nannyno wrote:

I have a Sweet sweet sweet, ten year old Rhodesian Ridgeback named Diva. She is fighting the big fight right now, Tranitional cell carcinoma, in her bladder(4cm x5cm). She was diagnosed a month ago, and is asymtomatic except for bloody urine. She is in no apparent discomfort. I am giving her Piroxicam, an nsai, and have been for one month. Her regular Vet. insists it will see her through the major discomfort down the road...until she can no longer tolerate it. Without an operation, we want to shrink her tumor and slow it down, (irradicate would be BEST) with Graviola. Don't know how much to give a 75 pound girl. Does anyone out there have any experience with giving it to a dog? SO Gratefully Yours, Nannyno

 

Dear survivor: 

I use polymva for my dog with TCC.  I'm sure it is why she is still with us and has had as many good days as she has.  She still has TCC and has bad days , however, 1.5 years into this, I couldn't ask for anything more.  The poly has been a blessing.  I wish I had known about it before I lost my father to cancer.

This board has been a blessing too.  So good that others understand what we are going through and nice to share what works.

It would be great if we could spend time on what caused this.  I hate to think it could just happen again and again and it be something we could easily change like food, water, injections or pesticides.  I never want to do this again.....

 

 

 

On 1/24/2008 Dquixote1217 wrote:

Almost ALL cancers are curable, just not by mainstream medicine.  For your pooch, try insositol/IP6, it works like magic to eliminate cancers and tumors of many kinds in animals (and humans).  I would also suggest adding a few tablespoons of quality colloidal silver to the drinking water every day.  Older animals often regain years of youth and frolic like when they were young when they take colloidal silver.

One caution about inositiol/IP6 - while it gets rid of cancer (something that is really not usually so difficult once you get outside the failed mainsream methods of surgery, chemo and radiation), something enabled the cancer to defeat your dog's immune sytem and gain a foothold in the first place.  Could have been improper diet, exposure to herbicides, pesticides or other contaminants, or some combination of factors, again the same as in humans who get cancer.

Once the cancer is eliminated, it is important to maintain a very healthy diet and lifestyle.  Once again, the same as is true for humans.

Anyone with qualms about colloidal silver, try this and understand that dogs kind of instijncgtively know what is good for them (and when they need natural help such as eating grass).  Put out two bowls each day - one with plain water and one with plain water plus a couple tablespoons or so of colloidal silve.  See which one the dog drinks.

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

My 8 year old Scotish terrier Winnie has bladder cancer. Where can I find more info on the two products you describe?  Do you also have dose information  and where do you purchase these products?  THX  Ron

It is will great sadness that I have to tell all that Kacee made her transition to the Rainbow Bridge on January 31, 2008.  She fought a brave battle with TCC and I believe she beat the odds.  She was diagnosed in Aug of 2005 with the vet giving her 6 months.  Guess she showed him!!  What is ironic is that I do not believe it was the TCC that prompted her transition.  At 16 years old her little body and mind just started to give out.  In the final weeks she was plagued with "doggy dementia" which caused her to get lost in corners and behind doors.  Her short little legs also started to weaken and it became an effort for her to get around.  She is so missed but if any of "her" posts on this board helped just one other fur baby I know her memory will live on.

Karen 

 Karen,

I was so sorry to hear that our Kacee is gone.  Reading your posts about her battle was what gives me hope that we will have our "Casey" as long as you had yours after getting the diagnosis.

My Casey is in her 16th year and is a miniature pincher.  she was diagnosed January 11th and given 3 months to live.  We are doing all that we learned on this site and she is doing well.

 

Thank you so much for sharing Kacee's journey with us, so that we might learn from your love and caring.

Judi 

On 2/12/2008 Kacees Mom wrote:

It is will great sadness that I have to tell all that Kacee made her transition to the Rainbow Bridge on January 31, 2008.  She fought a brave battle with TCC and I believe she beat the odds.  She was diagnosed in Aug of 2005 with the vet giving her 6 months.  Guess she showed him!!  What is ironic is that I do not believe it was the TCC that prompted her transition.  At 16 years old her little body and mind just started to give out.  In the final weeks she was plagued with "doggy dementia" which caused her to get lost in corners and behind doors.  Her short little legs also started to weaken and it became an effort for her to get around.  She is so missed but if any of "her" posts on this board helped just one other fur baby I know her memory will live on.

Karen 

 

Karen, Kacee was such a trooper and a clear winner. Both she and Ryle B. beat the odds of this horrible disease. Ryle and Kacee were there in the beginning of this long string of messages and I KNOW that Kacee helped many from your encouraging and informative postings on this message board. We are so ever grateful for your support. Thank you Karen and Kacee. God give you rest and peace in His safe arms. Shele (for Ryle B.)