Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

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RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by Steiffbearlvr on Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Joy and Doug,

Thank you for your kind responses to my posting. Zachary had the mac-daddy of ultrasounds today at a speciality hospital and while TCC is still on the table, the doctor at the speciality place thinks the prostate is the issue and not the bladder. The bladder, kidneys, uretha and assorted parts looked good. The prostate was enlarged and the doctor took an aspirate sample from that. I wasn't too worried about seeding. If Zachary has prostate cancer, I suspect the seeding is the least of the worries. This doctor sent the samples to a University hospital for evaluation and the answer should be back next week.

The scary part is, absent a biopsy of the prostate, which is not recommeded, I may never have a definitive diagnosis and will have to decide to treat as if he does have it or wait and watch. I guess it sometimes just boils down to the absence of other explanations leaving cancer the only remaining possibility.

He is a little peeved at me but a bowl of chow has improved his mood. 

I hope your babies are doing okay and they will be in my prayers.

 Trish

 

 

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by zbummer on Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:00 AM

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I'm new to this board and am hoping that someone will have advice for my dog, James.

 James is about 12 years old and has been living with an enlarged prostate for about 8 months that seems to have turned into a distended bladder.  During this time he has lost 10lbs (50 to 40), and has had increased trouble peeing and pooping.  The vet says that the time has come to think about euthanizing him.  However, James will still willingly lead me on hour long walks, and he eats like a horse. 

So my question is -- am I risking subjecting James to a very painful death by keeping him alive?  Might he at some point suddenly start to suffer, like while I'm at work?  Or will pain creep up more slowly and make it obvious that euthanasia is the right thing?  I would really like for him to die at home in his sleep -- but I have no idea if this is just a pipe dream.  The vet made it sound like his kidneys might back up causing a traumatic situation.  Does anyone have any experience with the very final stages of a dog's life?  My wife is petrified by the thought of him being in great pain, whereas I'm horrified by the thought of euthanizing him when he's still alert, responsive and at least somewhat active, despite having obvious bladder problems.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc) - Zachary

by Steiffbearlvr on Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Folks,

Zach has been on the piroxcam for 7 8 days now and fingers crossed with no problems. My neighbors think I am nuts though as I follow him around the yard and examine his poops as if I was finding diamonds in the yard. So far no "black tarry"

 You guys have been so helpful in sharing your stories so I know what to expect.

Here is what I do with Zach and the piroxcam.

15 minutes before dinner he gets 6mg of Pepcid AC with a tbl slurry mix of cottage cheese and flax oil. He then gets his dinner and eats 1/2 of it. I then give him his Pirox with the rest of the slurry and he eats his dinner. I then stare at him for 15 or so minutes. Durning this time he will bark at me, jump around, toss a toy at me and act annoyed....that I am staring at him. We then go our separate ways for a little while and all seems to be well.

He starts chemo tomorrow and I will provide updates for those that might be interested.

Patricia    

RE: Graviola Mixed With Other Meds

by celties_mama on Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:00 AM

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I have a wonderful 9 year old sheltie named Celtie. He had surgery last week to remove a malignant tumor from the bladder. He has TCC, and aggressive cancer they say travels through the vascular system. They give him about 6 months at the most. Hey, he is my son , tail or not. Has anyone out there have some positive comments. I thought removing the tumor would help. I can't accept it. my other little girl Sheltie Cayman had a stroke the same week. Someone help, my heart is broken.

 

So Sad....Celties mama    

RE: Graviola Mixed With Other Meds

by TamJan on Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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I am so sorry to hear about your Sheltie.  My Scottie, Champ, was given this dreaded diagnosis 3 weeks ago and also had the surgery to remove the tumor.  She is now on piroxicam daily (sometimes we skip a day if her belly is acting up), Cytotec to help manage the piroxicam symptoms and a daily 'immune boosting' vitamin.  Even though her tumor was removed, they didn't think they had completely 'clean borders'.  The abdominal ultrasound and chest X-ray didn't not show any spreading of the cancer, but according to Champ's vet, this is a aggressive cancer, and some of the cells my have spread already, but we just can't see them.  Our vet didn't give us a 'time frame'...he said studies have shown, 115 days in dogs with TCC without evidence of mets, and 250 or some days in dogs with TCC without evidence of mets at the time of diagnosis.  Right now Champ is doing well, acting pretty normal, although I over analyze everything she does, hoping it isn't the cancer spreading!  This is miserable, aweful thing, and I know how sad you must feel.  Champ is my 'first born' baby, and the thought of losing her , espeically at such a yound age, breaks my heart.  My thought is by removing the tumor they are much more comfortable and we have given them the best chance at trying to beat this cancer, or at least fighting it off as long as possible. I am trying to take it one day at a time and spend as much quality time with her as possible, and of course spoil her rotten.  My thoughts are with you and your pup.....   

RE: Over Medicated

by bc41129 on Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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I know that you all love all your dogs. Just as I loved my baby Angel Pup. I lost my Angel on Sept. 26th 2008. I had her for 7 beautiful years. She was one of the most beautiful Shi-tzu's you could ever hope to see. A perfect little lady. My heart is totally broken and I cry everyday still missing having her in my arms.

I have been reading almost every post on these message boards. I know your hurt. I to tried everything possible to make the last days the Lord gave me with my Angel as much fun and as confortable as possible for her.

She took all these medicines you are talking about. Herbs and Rx's too. We spent way over $2000 dollars in the last few month's of her life trying to save her. Then the day came that the blood started comeing from her. This was the sign the vet said we should watch for. This was the sign that she would start having lots of pain. This was the time for us to either be shelfish and keep her alive till she died on her own or let them put her to sleep. The day I never wanted to come.

We must face this day at some point. We must put aside our feelings and think of the love we have for our beautiful pet. Our companion of many years. This is killing me to just type this but it needs to be said.

  THIS NEXT STATEMENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO READ

People when this time comes please, please don't let your friend suffer longer then he/she has to. Then when the time comes please if you can afford to don't let them burst their hearts. Just do as I did. I asked them even though it cost a bit more. I ASK THEM TO PUT HER TO SLEEP JUST AS THEY WOULD DO FOR SURGERY.  The difference is they overdosed her. SHE NEVER FELT ANY PAIN AT ALL.

My precious little ANGEL PUP went PEACEFUL This is the only way I could possible have helped her at this point in her beautiful life.

I loved her to much to let her suffer anymore. I loved her to much to have them give her a shot that would burst her heart like they usually do for most dogs.

Maw Maw's little Angel Pup is with the Lord just over Rainbow Bridge.

Amen!

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by jcr65566 on Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Bladder cancer in dogs my vet told me is cause by lawn fertilizer. When you get Graviola. The dose is one capsule,  three  times a day, while she and you are awake,  per 100lb of dog. The best way I found was to cut a slot and put it in a little one inch peace of chicken or in the middle of a folded slice of any meat  she likes the other way is to push the caps  down the back of her throat  I was told you can not  over dose your dog  or your self with Graviola. The with this is once you start her on it you got to keep giving it to her for six months it got a bit expensive for me at $45.00 per month she should start to get better in bout two weeks  how it works is it work with the ATP of the cancer cell thats the cancer cells take food into them self it block the atp recepter so the cancer cell get lest energry and starves and dies hope this helps Ray  

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by Deirdre4396 on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi there - So glad to have found this forum.

My dog Owen - a 12, almost 13, year old Sheltie/Lab mix, was diagnosed with TCC in January of this year, after having what I thought was a hard to resolve bladder infection that began in December of 2008.  After two rounds of antibiotics, an Xray and finally an ultrasound, he was found to have a small mass fortunately in the apex (fortunately) area of his bladder, so surgery was an option.  We decided to go forward with the surgery immediately.  Approximately half of his bladder was removed and he recovered amazingly well from this procedure.  The surgeon believed that she got the entire mass out with clean borders.  Trying to knock on wood that this was the case, but also being realistic as I am aware of how aggressive TCC can be.

My vet, who is an angel here on earth and has followed Owen since he was 1, has been so unbelievable through this nightmare.  Allowing me to call her at home, on the weekends and constantly calling to check in for updates.  She consulted with NEVOG (New England Veterinary Oncology Group) for an appropriate approach and they suggested a combo of Piroxicam with another med for stomach distress vs. more aggressive chemo at this time.

Owen was then put on Piroxicam and Carafate to address his tummy issues.  From mid January to the beginning of March, he had a lot of intestinal distress (two very bad vomiting episodes and one episode at the, um, other end that was not fun for him).  He had to be hospitalized for two nights at one point to be rehydrated and to go in another time for an infection from straining to poop.  We dropped the carafate and now he takes Misoprostol for his tummy and that seems to be much better for him.  His Piroxicam dose is now compounded to a lower dose, which he seems to be tolerating much better.  We were doing every other day for a few weeks, but he is now back to daily.  NEVOG also suggested he gets monthly ultrasounds and Xrays to monitor for a return of a mass.  His first one post surgery looked clear <again, knocking on wood>  He will have another one in a week in a half.

Biggest current struggle is figuring out how to get him back on the senior Innova food he loves.  We had to do the bland diet thing for a long time after surgery and then tried to switch him to ID food (which he HATES and refuses to eat).  I have been doing rice and boiled burger or chicken for sometime, but will try to do the transition back to regular food next week after we know the daily dose of Piroxicam is right for him.  It is also hard to tell what a "normal" poop looks like anymore since I think the meds have altered that quite a bit.  I was laughing out loud at someone else's post about their neighbor thinking they are crazy as they go out each day in the backyard to "survey" the most recent deposits, LOL.  That would be me too!

The hardest thing through this is to constantly be monitoring whether the measures we are taking are compromising him in anyway.  He is a happy boy, full of love and joy.  He is the love of our lives and I have felt so blessed to have had him in my life all these years.  I use the barometer of his love of food, daily walks, playing with his toys and that almost constantly wagging tail as my indicators of his level of happiness.  At this point, we will just continue to tweak his treatment plan as needed to maintain that constant goal.  Thanks for letting me tell our story and I hope to stick around to get to "know" others and their stories as well.  Deirdre (&Owen)

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by jcr65566 on Thu Mar 26, 2009 12:00 AM

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I have the same problem as you my dog penny 13 and she a small corgi we had her to long she has  hadf musel wasting for some time now  she gets the shakes just  geting out of her bed we have a real problem with flees with her and now she got mange My vet keeps saying to put her down but I wont. She cant come in tho the house any more as she smalls so bad and she gets real sick if I wash her. My vet told me to just leave her be. So I did. The only thing that works with  fleers  on her is flea powder. I use to love having her sit next to me. But she smalls so bad. the small get on our  clothes so  I cant there no interaction between her and any of the family any more.  now she just exising and thats all  graviola work real well with bladder cancer on man and dog  take care Ray

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

by LifeofRiley on Thu Apr 02, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hello fellow pet lovers... I have a 12 year old TCC schnauzer.  Although we battle the disease, we have found something that has completely stopped the bloody urine.  Yunnan PaiYao is a Chinese herb.

Riley was diagnosed in November 08 with a positive biopsy.  We are using Metronomics chemo.  (Piroxicam, Doxycyl and Cyclophosph) 

The only symptoms so far are frequent urinations (Every 1 to 3 hours)  and picky eating habits.

 She seems painful at times in her back end.  I can't pinpoint where the pain is.  I am not sure if this due to athritis in her back or if this cancer is causing her pain.  (Anyone else experiencing pain?)

 When she is painful, I give her pain med tramadol and a muscle relaxer. 

 We have good days and not so good days... Happy days and sad days...

I will continue to fight this battle until my fur baby lets me know its time....

 For the Life of Riley 

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