Canine Bladder Cancer (tcc)

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Just a word of thanks for you that have responded to my plea for help with Mike. We started giving Mike IP6, Maitake DMG, some digestive enzymes, ACCRU (a kind of digestive tonic from the vet) acidolphilus, flaxseed (but just a little at a time) and CoQ10. I've been cooking protein and veggies for him. No carbs if possible. I have one question; how much Graviola do you give? Mike is 67 pounds. Since my vet hasn't heard of this herb she can't advise me. Any thoughts? I will definitely see if my library has the book you suggested. We bought Mike some dried sardines (yuk) from an Oriental food store as a snack in lieu of dog biscuits. Today was not a good day for him, but I guess that't to be expected. One day at a time. God bless all our beautiful dogs. JoAnn and Mike

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Kacees_Mom

Hi JoAnn If you go to www.allvita.net and click on graviola, at the very bottom of the page is the dosage. That is where I buy graviola. The drops are so easy to give instead of pill form. Sounds like the (yuk) dried sardines are a good idea. Kacee still gets some kibble so taking out the biscuits will help keep her carbs down. Thanks for the idea! Keep us posted. Karen

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Jomar

Hi Karen, Yes, I did go to the allvita website. I actually gave Mike some (not a full dosage) last evening with his dinner. I also gave him for the first time the Maitake mushroom extract as well as 1/4 tablet of Rimadyl (something he's been on and off for several years). Something made him sick to his stomach as well as caused him loose stools. Not only that, this morning he had blood in his urine again. I am very upset that instead of helping this poor animal, I'm making his life more uncomfortable. I guess we have to keep trying these new things a little at a time. Did Kacee have any problems with the Graviola the first few times? Jo Ann

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Kacees_Mom

JoAnn, The first day I gave the graviola to Kacee I gave her drops straight from the bottle into her mouth. She did get an upset stomach. Then I read on the bottle "to remove alcohol add to hot (or warm - can't remember) water". So now I put about a tablespoon of water in a small cup and heat in microwave for 10 seconds, then I add the graviola and then I add food. She has not had an upset stomach since - ?? She gets pepcid before her evening meal, the peroxicam after her evening meal and the graviola in the morning. She had blood in her urine on and off for weeks. It has since stopped, but it's a day to day thing. Kacee is not on anything else. I have not taken the holistic route as of yet. You are giving Mike alot of new things so his system needs to adjust. We all want to help our babies. Maybe you should introduce the new supplements gradually so you can tell how he is reacting to what. Just a suggestion - every dog is different. Its a matter of finding out what YOUR baby can and can not tolerate. Hope this helps - Karen

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Lorijj

Hi, I am Lori and my dog Dollar has recently been diagnosed with bladder cancer. She is a border collie/shep x 13 years old. I just had to post and say how grateful I am for finding all this information. To see that others are finding ways to help their pets and sharing them. The internet is a good thing :} Knew there was a problem when after she urinated she walked 'bow legged' with her tail up liek she was trying to get some more out. Then the puddles in the house. This did go unnoticed as I have another dog with spaying incontenince and live with the occasional puddle from her. After antibiotics didnt work they found it was cancer. Hers is at the bottom of the badder; so inoperatable. I have had her on Piroxicam (on 2 days off 1)for about a month and her tumor has shrunk about 50% after the first 2 weeks, but her urine is still reddish, still peeing in the house and still doing a bit of the high tail shimmy. So all the symptoms are still there. I got home from work today and there was a pool of blood on the floor. I almost fainted it scared me so bad! She has since being peeing yellow. I am off to the vet tomorrow and am very happy to have read all your suggestions now I have some ideas and thoughts to go over with the Dr. I am very excited to try the Graviola and change her diet! Maybe us two girls can go on Atkins together! Thanks everyone Lori

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Ryles_Mom

Hi Lori, So sorry to hear about Dollar. Sounds like you have a plan of attack. We are all here because we are desperate for answers and help for our beloved pets. And it's been wonderful to hear about everyone's experiences with different treatments and what is helping. Every dog is different, but since our dog has been on Graviola we've noticed hardly any blood in his urine. He has bad days and good days and we take both as they come. We are just trying to keep him comfortable and give him the best quality life we can. Keep us posted on the Dollar's progress. Best wishes. Shele and Ryle B.

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Lorijj

I just got my Dollar back from the vet and the prognosis is not good. Her tumor is now about 80% of her bladder. The proxicam worked for a short period and now has ceased working. I took all my literature from this newsgroup to the vet and the sweet guy said it was worth a shot but I could see it in his face that what he was really saying is that she is past any help it is just too far along. So I have been crying for the last hour wondering what my life would be like without my best girl. She has the cancer and I am feeling sorry for myself. I am so bad at dealing with death, I am not sure if I just let her die from this disease or do I put her down. She doesn't seem in pain, she is just her same bubbly, mouthy, playful self. I really don't mind the pee puddles I find around the house, it is just a mild inconvenience. Can someone tell me if she will go quietly from this cancer or will it get painful for her and therefore I should put her down. I just wish she could tell me what she wants. Thanks for any input Lori

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Kacees_Mom

Lori, I am in tears just reading your message. I've had the same thoughts. I don't think anyone can tell you (or me) with any certainty. My Kacee's tumer takes up probably 2/3 or more of her bladder. She has the occasional accident, but I have learned to force her to go out frequently (even getting up during the nite) and that has helped with the puddles. I don't know if the piroxicam and graviola have done anything to the tumor and I have not had her re-checked. My reasoning is that the cancer is not going to go away so why put her thru any vet visits. I will keep giving her both because it doesn't seem to be hurting her, and the graviola seems to give her more energy. As long as she is not in pain, still wants to play (even if it is only short periods of time), is still eating and still excited about "treats" she is going to stay with me. The vet had told me that eventually the tumor may get so large it will stop her urine flow and that would be the time to "move quickly" as he put it. Its just one day at a time. Sorry I have no answers, We all have to do what we feel is best for our babies and ourselves. Every case is different. Just know we are here for support and kind words. Karen

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Ryles_Mom

Lori, I too am in tears reading about Dollar. Like Karen with Kacee, we are not sure what to expect as this disease progresses. A bit up the message chain, number 65, there is a note from Gregg called "some 20/20 hindsight on TCC". He has some information about his little Baxter and her fight with TCC until the end. Our Ryle has three tumors, so his prognosis is not good at all. All we can hope for is as little pain as possible for him, that he still wants to play, eat and go for walks in the mountains (his favorite thing to do). We can only go one day at a time and pay attention what our pups are telling us by their body language. Know that we are here to support each other and Karen is right, maybe it’s just to give some kind words. God Bless and give you strength in your journey. Shele and Ryle B.

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Corgilover3

I just found this message board. On 9-26-05 our 12 year old female corgi was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer. Like many of you it was in an area by her urethra and inoperable. Since she was diagnosed with an auto immune disorder a few years back our vet suggested against chemo. We put her on the Piroxicam and within 24 hours saw great results. No more accidents and no more straining. Her appetite has not been good. It took 2 months to find out what was wrong, numerous blood tests, urine cultures, urine tests. Everything came back normal. Then we went to a specialist and were shocked at the diagnosis. Last week she went completely off food. We thought maybe a UTI since we had heard that is very common in dogs with bladder cancer. The vet found billiruben in her urine (first time they found anything unusual) - did blood work as the vet suspected her pancreas was being effected. To everyone's surprise she came back with liver failure. Normal liver function is 151 and Mollys was well over 4000. We have taken her off the Piroxicam as we didn't know if that set off her immune disorder. Her appetite is coming back but we are scared to death like the most of you - does the cancer get her first or the liver failure. I'm interested in the Graviola. Has anyone else had problems with liver problems while on the Piroxicam? By the way - Lori - read your post and I'm in tears as well. Since learning that our beatiful little girl is cursed with this disease there isn't a day that goes by without tears. Thanks, Sheryl & Molly

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