Prostate Cancer and Fasting

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Prostate Cancer and Fasting

by Ingag on Fri Mar 18, 2005 12:00 AM

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Hello everyone, A close friend of our family is dying from prostate cancer. And when I say dying I mean that chemotherapy no longer works, we don't know how long he has left, but it seems quite limited. Very recently I stumbled upon a website dedicated to juice fasting. It was a complete revelation for many reasons, but the one relevant here is the link between nutrition and fight with cancer. I've seen testimonies of people who managed to cure cancer (at early stages, I assume) by fasting. What I was wondering, is if anybody here has experience complementing traditional therapy with fasting. I understand that it may be too late for cure at this point, but perhaps it might buy him couple more years with less pain... I'll also cross-post this thread into Nutrition board, because I am not sure where it belongs. The Nutrition board also seems less populated... Any response would be appreciated. Thank you for your time and best of luck in your struggles, be it for yourself or your dear ones! Inga

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by Robbie_s on Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:00 AM

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Nutrition is a vital element in treating prostate cancer. My husband is in a 30 day program now to help lower his PSA and strengthen his body to fight off the cancer. We almost went to a fasting treatment place 3 years ago when he was diagnosed and I did alot of research on the subject. I wish we had continued with the fasting program back then.

Prostate Cancer and Fasting

by Bob49 on Tue May 03, 2005 12:00 AM

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Inga, A lot of people have cured themselves of cancer through diet, supplements, etc. including myself. I was diagnosed with PC 2 years ago with a PSA of 20. I now have it down to 3. But this is not for everyone; one must be committed to the apporoach, and not be deterred by doom and gloom from proponents of traditional medicine. There are so many books available on the subject. One in particular, stresses the need to fast: Prostate Health in 90 Days by Larry Clapp Although I haven't actually fasted, this book was an inspiration for me. I believe it is a good approach. As described in the book, fasting detoxifies the body and gives the immune system the boost it needs to fight cancer. Another good source of info on cancer is: Life Extension Foundation (www.lef.org) Bob

Fasting For The Prostate

by Larrystang on Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:00 AM

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Hello, Dr. Herbert Shelton is one of the fasting pioneers and wrote many books on fasting and its effects on overall health and the prostate. The prostate accumulates many toxins depending on our diets and the fast of some duration and a change in certain foods could make a big difference. I am embarking on my first fast for an enlarged prostate soon and will let you all know how it goes. Best, Larry...

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by JohnnyBeGood on Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:00 AM

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Bob,

May I ask more of your PC diagnosis -- cores, 10%, Gleason?  And details on what you did to get your PSA down to 3?  Have they rebiopsied or imaged -- that is how do you know you are now well?

I am trying a holistic protocol but am losing courage. 

In my case, PSA went from 9 to 7 to 19 all in two months. 

Mike

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by N3880R on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 12/8/2008 Johnny.Be.Good wrote:

Bob,

May I ask more of your PC diagnosis -- cores, 10%, Gleason?  And details on what you did to get your PSA down to 3?  Have they rebiopsied or imaged -- that is how do you know you are now well?

I am trying a holistic protocol but am losing courage. 

In my case, PSA went from 9 to 7 to 19 all in two months. 

Mike


 

Mike,

 I'm not a doctor, but I have PC and have read 6 books on PC, as well as done a lot of research on the internet on nutrition and PC. Most doctors claim that running or having sex within 48 hours of your PSA test can falsely elevate the PSA reading, while a few doctors claim that this isn't true.

I've read that the PSA reading can vary daily by +/- 20% for no apparent reason.

I've read about a study that showed drinking 8 oz of pomegranate juice each day slowed the growth of PC by around 80%; makes me wonder what would happen if you drank 16 oz every day instead of 8.

 Doing searches on the internet for foods/supplements that fight PC will yield a lot of information. In addition to the pomegranate juice, I also drink a mixture of 8 oz V8 juice, 3-4 oz of broccoli, and 1-2 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil that is mixed in a blender.

 Thanks to my doctor and PSA tests, my PC was caught very early. Here are my PSA readings: 1.7 in April '06, 2.0 in April '07, 2.5 in April '08 and 2.2 in Jan '09. My Gleason score was 6. Only 1 of 12 biopsy samples showed any cancer, and that sample only had 15% cancer.

 I'm fighting the PC with diet and exercise, and the PSA seems to show some success. I'm also getting a PSA every 3 months and a yearly biopsy of the prostate; if the PC starts growing too quickly, I'll then make a decision about having surgery or radiation to treat the PC.

The urologist thought if I waited a year before having surgery or radiation, there would be around a 1% chance that the PC would spread outside of the prostate.

Dave

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by jcr65566 on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 3/18/2005 Ingag wrote:

Hello everyone, A close friend of our family is dying from prostate cancer. And when I say dying I mean that chemotherapy no longer works, we don't know how long he has left, but it seems quite limited. Very recently I stumbled upon a website dedicated to juice fasting. It was a complete revelation for many reasons, but the one relevant here is the link between nutrition and fight with cancer. I've seen testimonies of people who managed to cure cancer (at early stages, I assume) by fasting. What I was wondering, is if anybody here has experience complementing traditional therapy with fasting. I understand that it may be too late for cure at this point, but perhaps it might buy him couple more years with less pain... I'll also cross-post this thread into Nutrition board, because I am not sure where it belongs. The Nutrition board also seems less populated... Any response would be appreciated. Thank you for your time and best of luck in your struggles, be it for yourself or your dear ones! Inga

Hi Inga It not the end yet.I like to tell you about some of the alterative treatments I use to fight cancer like  flor essance tea http://in2herbs.cart.net.au/details/796966.html and  the Dr Budwig Diet. http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Budwig.html I had advance prostrate cancer to the bone Last year It was in my ribs and my lower back. The doctor would not operate and give me fivers to live So I had to find some thing else  I come upond a naterpath who told me about Zeolite. I give it a try because I had mets though out my body and because . I had the start of it in my bones she told me to go on the net and order celula Zeolitte. So I did she  also told me to start taking Vitamin BIO C 10 mg aday. also, a diet of no sugary foods no milk no red meat.  I also hit it  with the celula  Zeolitte  15 drops 4 times a day for three months. Though this cost  (for 15x little 30mil bottles, at $30.00 a bottle =) $450.00 but well worth it. A scan a month or so  a go. Showed no cancer in my bones but I still have it  in my prostrate. I am now on the Budwig diet. for prostrate cancer of two spoons of cotage cheese and ground up flack seeds if you got prostrate cancer you cant have flack seed oil. Im also on flor essance tea  and red clover whitch has isoflones in it this minics the sex hormone testoserone prostrate cancer is sex hormone dependent isoflones  blocks the cancer receptors on the cancer cell so it gets lest testoserone  you can get this from soy beans hope this helps Ray

 

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RE: Prostate Cancer and Fasting

by JohnnyBeGood on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 3/5/2009 N3880R wrote:

 

On 12/8/2008 Johnny.Be.Good wrote:

Bob,

May I ask more of your PC diagnosis -- cores, 10%, Gleason?  And details on what you did to get your PSA down to 3?  Have they rebiopsied or imaged -- that is how do you know you are now well?

I am trying a holistic protocol but am losing courage. 

In my case, PSA went from 9 to 7 to 19 all in two months. 

Mike


 

Mike,

 I'm not a doctor, but I have PC and have read 6 books on PC, as well as done a lot of research on the internet on nutrition and PC. Most doctors claim that running or having sex within 48 hours of your PSA test can falsely elevate the PSA reading, while a few doctors claim that this isn't true.

I've read that the PSA reading can vary daily by +/- 20% for no apparent reason.

I've read about a study that showed drinking 8 oz of pomegranate juice each day slowed the growth of PC by around 80%; makes me wonder what would happen if you drank 16 oz every day instead of 8.

 Doing searches on the internet for foods/supplements that fight PC will yield a lot of information. In addition to the pomegranate juice, I also drink a mixture of 8 oz V8 juice, 3-4 oz of broccoli, and 1-2 tablespoons of extra virgin olive oil that is mixed in a blender.

 Thanks to my doctor and PSA tests, my PC was caught very early. Here are my PSA readings: 1.7 in April '06, 2.0 in April '07, 2.5 in April '08 and 2.2 in Jan '09. My Gleason score was 6. Only 1 of 12 biopsy samples showed any cancer, and that sample only had 15% cancer.

 I'm fighting the PC with diet and exercise, and the PSA seems to show some success. I'm also getting a PSA every 3 months and a yearly biopsy of the prostate; if the PC starts growing too quickly, I'll then make a decision about having surgery or radiation to treat the PC.

The urologist thought if I waited a year before having surgery or radiation, there would be around a 1% chance that the PC would spread outside of the prostate.

Dave


 

Dave

Thanks!

I think a Gleason 6 with such low PSAs should progress at no more than 1% mortality risk per year.  That's the average risk of weighting with a 6, according to my statistical analysis, and you are probably better than average.  As I am Gleason 7, my cancer should grow faster.  I estimate that I take a 2% mortality risk with each year of waiting.

I have gotten my PSA down to 11 from 19 and I am now convinced by BPH is clounding the issue.  I got an MRI after a tussle and it showed lots of BPH and not much cancer, so my PSA is not useful.  Further, I do not appear to yet be out of the capsule.  Unfortunately, the MRI is not accurate, either, and neither are any other imaging or blood technologies.  Have you had fPSA testing?  Mine was 11.5% so that is not good news.

If one does not believe the PSA, then active surveillance gets turned into watchless waiting, so I may have to proceed to radical treatment because there is not good way of paying attention to the cancer's growth.

Mike

 

RE: Prostate Cancer and Fasting

by N3880R on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:00 AM

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Mike,

 Glad to hear that your PSA is down. I agree that your BPH is probably responsible for the majority of your PSA reading, and that makes it impossible to use the PSA to judge the growth of the PC.

I've read about the FPSA, and that it provides good information, but I haven't had that test done yet. When I see my doctor in 6 weeks, I'll ask her to have the FPSA test done, as well as the PSA.

When I had my prostate ultrasound/biopsy done, the urologist told me that the ultrasound showed that the PC had not spread outside of the prostate, although he also said that it was possible for the PC to spread microscopically, and that wouldn't show up on the ultrasound.

It's frustrating that it's so hard to find good statistical data on the cure rates and negative side effects for the various PC treatments. I'm lucky that my PC was caught so early, so I feel that it gives me the luxury of trying to fight the cancer with diet, supplements and exercise.

 I attend a monthly meeting of the man-2-man prostate cancer support group; it gave me the opportunity to talk with guys that have had the surgery and radiation treatments, and I found this very useful. The discussions are very frank, so you can feel free to ask any question you want.

This support group typically only has around 4-6 people; some have had the radiation treatment, and some have had the surgery. I was surprised to hear that around half of them have had the PC return after treatment; it made me wonder if the cure rates are not as high as the doctors claim.

 Dave

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by JohnnyBeGood on Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dave

Thanks again.

I don't doubt that motivational bias infects those stats.  I had one radiation oncologist deliver a litany of good numbers but then folded when I asked him if they were the stats of his practice or his view of the profession-- he admitted he doesn't keep any stats on his own practice! 

Despite my high PSA and symptoms, I at first assumed my problem was mostly BPH.  I got a clean bill of health from a CT and bone scan, and my biopsy was only 1 in 14, 10%, 3+4 in that one mm of malignancy.  Too little cancer to even do ploidy DNA analysis, I was told.  I decided to act on the assumption I had a lot of  BPH and a little cancer and like you tried lots of holistic supplements: milk thistle, grape seed extract, genistein, garlic, green tea extract, special teas, etc.  I did all sorts of statistical work and decided a Gleason 6 usually risks 1% increased mortality per year of waiting and a Gleason 7 risks about 2% on average -- but I thought the extent of my carcinoma was lower than an average 7 for the reasons above.  I am a 56 yo, but a newlywed (!!) so sexual function matters greatly.  I decided to put myself on a supplements + active surveillance program (as you did).  I won the fight for regular PSAs, a bone scan and a CT -- but the PSA shot up as I mentioned with all the supplements.  As the test can't tell the difference between benign and malignant tissue, but the supplements were blasting my prostate, I thought I might be okay, but I was losing faith, and thought I might be killing myself.  I then had a fPSA and it came back 11.5% (you want a score of 17% or better - my score puts me in an 80-85% cancer group) so I figured the cancer was still hanging around, but then I found out that the fPSA can't really tell if it is 'live' cancer or cancer debris (which would be high if the supplements were working) so that test wasn't informative enough. 

Finally, I begged for an endorectal MRI and got one.  The expert reading the images knew I had been sent with prostate cancer, so I figure he wanted to find some, but in fact he reported lots of BPH and some tissue that MAY be cancer.  So now I don't know what to do!  Did I kill it off?  Hard to have surgery on that bit of news, but IF the tissue he thinks MAY be cancer IS cancer, there is a lot more of it than I had thought.  Further, that unclear tissue is eroding the urether, so I may need to have the prostate out even if it isn't cancer.

I have met a total of five so-called expert medical folks and only one has really given me any valuable info or been cooperative about all this.  I have slowly figured out why they hate active surveillance.  It's not (just) that they would like to move you to (profitable) treatment, IT'S ALSO BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT DECENT TOOLS FOR SURVEILLANCE.  CT, bone scan, MRI, PSA, fPSA -- none of them are accurate for someone who also has BPH.  I can't get a decent pic of or reading on my tumor no matter how hard I try!

I sure hope your support group is not representative.  I am hoping for a cure.

Mike

 

 

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