canine bladder cancer and graviola?

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canine bladder cancer and graviola?

by Sonrisas__mom on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:00 AM

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My sweet Weimaraner girl has been diagnosed with TCC about 2 weeks ago. She is 12.5 and LOVES to swim and run. She was 6 years old when I rescued her. My daughter and I drove from CA to Nebraska to save her from going to the pound. So for the past 6 years I have always fed her a raw homemade diet and not used pesticides or toxic flea or tick treatments. At this point she acts normal. She has had a few incontinence issues in the past which we controlled with cornsilk and homeopathy, acupunture, and herbal incontinence formulas. The past 6 months she has had several urinary tract infections. An ultrasound revealed the mass in her bladder, which explained why the prescribed antibiotics never really cleared up the urinary tract infections because of the nooks and crannies in the tumor. The surgeon who reviewed her case is considered the top in his field in the nation and unfortunately he does not recomend surgery to debulk the tumor for her because the tumor is too close to the neck of the bladder near the spincter muscle. She has been prescribed with an antibiotic which she will have to take for the rest of her life and Piroxicam. I was told today that 18% of dogs treated with Piroxicam  have been cured but the average survival rate is only 195 days. Chemo is not much of an option because of her age and the side effects and they don't think that chemo would raise  the survival percentage enough for the torture it would be for her. She is petrified of going to the vet. I have read some prior posts about graviola. I bought some and inquired about it at my veterinarian but she said she has not heard about much sucess with it, but that it couldn't hurt. So can anyone tell me more about the dosage recomended for a 60lb dog or any other recomendations? Joanne and Sonrisa

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by Gentleannie on Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:00 AM

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Joanne--I am so sorry to hear about your beloved Sonrisa's(what a beautiful name) diagnosis.

My Annie was diagnosed over 2 1/2 years ago (that's over 940 days so don't let that number 195 stick in your head!!!) and she is still going strong.

I have done nothing other than the Piroxicam for her and believe in it more than I could ever express.  It is the reason she is still here.  I was going to try graviola, but I couldn't find any data to support it that suited me. Also I had read on the boards that some dogs did not tolerate it well.

That being said, there are many supporters of it. If you go to the regular bladder cancer subject (not the pet cancer) and scan through it, you'll see a thread with over 600 postings--it is all devoted to canine TCC and i know somewhere there is a dosage for graviola one. (If you can't find it, let me know, I may have bookmarked it) 

You will also see many, many dogs who have lived well past 195 days.  I know how scared you must be, but there is hope. My best advice is to enjoy every day you have with your girl.  My biggest regret is how much time I wasted being so upset when I should have been enjoying Annie more.  I've learned better and now every day is a gift.

Good luck to you.

Marty 

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by Sanfran4 on Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:00 AM

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We have a an 9 year old pit-mix - Snoopy.   He was diagnosed with bladder cancer Feb 1. 2007.  We were devasted when we got the news along with "you have about three months left..." Our vet talked about treatments like peroxicam (which can be harsh on the other organs) and chemo. Though he didn't push either as he knows we prefer to be a natural as possible. 

After a few days of shock I got on the Web and googled "natural treatments TCC/canine bladder cancer."  What I found was GRAVIOLA.  I talked to my vet about it and he posted it on a vetinfo sight, and no other vet on the site had heard about it.  Being all natural he gave us the go-ahead and said we should give Snopoy half the human does - so he gets 4 capules a day - 2 in the morning and 2 before bed.  And we give him a few days break every 6 weeks or so. 

We never did an ultrasound, as his skin is sensitive and we when thought he only had three months to live we didn't want him to spend a day at the vet and a couple weeks scratching from the shaving needed for the ultrasound.  So I can't tell you if the tumor has decreased. 

I can tell you it's now nine months later and Snoopy is alive and WELL.  He's gained a couple pounds, has energy for three walks a day and still barks like crazy at the Pugs from up the street whenever they walk by the house. ;-)  And, he rarely has any tumor shedding or blood in his urine.  And his urine flow is still strong, too. 

We aloso put him on Pet Promise pet food - all natural with no preservatives or animal byproducts.  He loves it. 

Hope this is helpful to some of you dealing with TCC.

 

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by Sonrisas__mom on Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:00 AM

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Thanks so much Marty and Gentle Annie,

You give us hope! Good for you Annie! Thanks for the tip about reading the bladder cancer thread...I will check it out. The surgeon also did not recommend surgery not only from the location of the tumor but he also mentioned the risk of causing it to spread. You are right, each day is a gift! Thank you!

Joanne and Sonrisa

 

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by Sonrisas__mom on Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:00 AM

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So glad to hear Snoopy is doing well. The graviola I purchased is in the liquid extract form. I tasted it and it is pretty bitter, so maybe the capsules are a better option. I will check it out.

Joanne and Sonrisa

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by Aikos_Dad on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:00 AM

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Hi Everyone - I posted this message to another thread in this Pet Cancer area, but missed that you guys have been online in the last couple of days, so I figured I would re-post here.

I am in the extraordinarily tense stage of waiting for the biopsy results on my 9 year old labrador's bladder tumor.  She started with what we thought was a UTI and went through two courses of antibiotics.  We just got referred to a specialist who did a scope, found a tumor and did a biopsy.  She's having a hard time peeing (of course) and has just started to groan when pooping. How long from the onset of symptoms did it take for you to find out your dogs have TCC?  Did the UTI diagnosis come up for any of you?   While waiting for what I anticipate to be bad news, I can't help but wonder if there is anything that could have or should have done sooner. 

Thanks for any information...

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by Gentleannie on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:00 AM

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On 10/29/2007 Aikos Dad wrote:

Hi Everyone - I posted this message to another thread in this Pet Cancer area, but missed that you guys have been online in the last couple of days, so I figured I would re-post here.

I am in the extraordinarily tense stage of waiting for the biopsy results on my 9 year old labrador's bladder tumor.  She started with what we thought was a UTI and went through two courses of antibiotics.  We just got referred to a specialist who did a scope, found a tumor and did a biopsy.  She's having a hard time peeing (of course) and has just started to groan when pooping. How long from the onset of symptoms did it take for you to find out your dogs have TCC?  Did the UTI diagnosis come up for any of you?   While waiting for what I anticipate to be bad news, I can't help but wonder if there is anything that could have or should have done sooner. 

Thanks for any information...

hi Aiko's Dad!

My sympathies are with you; this is not a fun club to be in.  I used to think that waiting was the worst, but I've decided that it's the one time that you can still be blissfully innocent and hopeful! 

We were very lucky in that we discovered Annie's cancer by accident, long before she had symptoms (and when I say long--I mean like two years!!!!)

She's been on piroxicam all this time and it has been a wonder  drug for her.  I'm sure it will be prescribed for you and I can only hope it helps  you as much as it has helped us! 

Don't beat yourself up--there's nothing you could have done. (Although I do recommend to all Scottie owners that they have their dogs tested regularly as that breed is so susceptible to TCC)

I would have to guess that Aiko's tumor is situated in a different place since it is causing her difficulty pooping as well.  Perhaps this will mean that surgery could be a good option for you. I don't know.

We're here for you, however, you're not alone.  Keep us posted and good luck; it can't be much longer before you have your test results back!

Marty 

 

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by Sonrisas__mom on Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:00 AM

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Hi Aikos Dad,

Sonrisa never did  show any trouble when peeing and I only suspected a UTI when she had incontinence.  Nine months ago my vet did an ultra sound but did not detect a tumor. Now after several attemps to clear up another UTI with various antibiotics my vet did another ultrasound and found a  tumor. So I really don't think there is anything you could have done previously. Sonrisa has had several UTI's and from my understanding when infections don't clear up that can cause transitional cells to develope. The biopsy results I had were "highly suspect" is the most the experts would say. That combined with cell in the urine samples was the basis for their decision to start her on Piroxicam. Do you know if the tumor is in an operable location? Give Aiko a hug from us and whatever you hear from the results, don't blame yourself. At this point Sonrisa seems fine with no symptoms and I want to will this thing away. She looked so beautiful and happy today on our vineyard walk. Keeping you and Aiko in our thoughts. I wish I knew more to tell you.

 

 

 

 

 

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by Aikos_Dad on Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:00 AM

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Marty and Sonrisas mom -  Thanks so much for replying.  I can't tell you how much it means.  I agree - it's a really lousy club to be in. I just heard back and yes, she has TCC.  There are no good options other that Piroxicam. She is taking one capsule every other day and it's Piroxicam10. Unfortunately, according to both vets, the options are very few.  Chemo and surgery are out because of her tumor location.  I am not going to put her through having a stent.  So, it's Piroxcam for a few weeks and we'll see what happens.  About a year ago, she weighed almost 110 pounds. Two weeks ago she was less than 90 and I think that she is still losing weight. Fortunately, she is still eating and gets angry when the mailman comes around.  She enjoyed swimming last weekend.

Have either of you ever heard of MGN3 from Biobran.com?

If you care to "meet" her when she was at her happiest, you can do so at http://www.dogster.com/dogs/19619

I'm thinking about you and your dogs...

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by Gentleannie on Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:00 AM

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On 10/30/2007 Aikos Dad wrote:

Marty and Sonrisas mom -  Thanks so much for replying.  I can't tell you how much it means.  I agree - it's a really lousy club to be in. I just heard back and yes, she has TCC.  There are no good options other that Piroxicam. She is taking one capsule every other day and it's Piroxicam10. Unfortunately, according to both vets, the options are very few.  Chemo and surgery are out because of her tumor location.  I am not going to put her through having a stent.  So, it's Piroxcam for a few weeks and we'll see what happens.  About a year ago, she weighed almost 110 pounds. Two weeks ago she was less than 90 and I think that she is still losing weight. Fortunately, she is still eating and gets angry when the mailman comes around.  She enjoyed swimming last weekend.

Have either of you ever heard of MGN3 from Biobran.com?

If you care to "meet" her when she was at her happiest, you can do so at http://www.dogster.com/dogs/19619

I'm thinking about you and your dogs...

Hello Aiko's Dad,

I did look up your girl and she's a beauty--what pretty teeth she has! It looks as if she truly does love her life. I've not heard of the MGN3.  I'm going to refer you again to that long thread (it's up to over 615 messages) in the regular Bladder cancer Topic.  There are many many pet owners who have tried a variety of alternative medicines and spell out pretty exactly what they have done.

The last time I was at the oncologist, I asked if we should increase Annie's dosage as I was seeing more symptoms and they were scaring me.  He said she was taking as much as she could as a higher dose could possibly cause her stomach problems and we don't want that! But Annie only weighs 37 pounds and she take 5 mg  or peroxicam a day. I'm absolutely NOT trying to second guess your vet, but Aiko at 90 pounds is basically taking the same dosage as Annie.  Perhaps they are waiting to see how she tolerates the drug, but you might want to ask.

Do you feel Aiko is not eating as well as she used to and that explains the weight loss? Have you tried home cooking or adding things to her food?  I truly go into a panic if Annie doesn't eat; for us that would be a very bad sign.  It is the first thing the vets' always ask and as long as she eats, we will find our way through this.  She's been a little picky about her own food this week, but has a huge appetite for my pretzels, so I'm not too worried. 

Don't feel too badly that chemo and surgery were not options, my oncologist has said that their results are not that great for TCC.  I just thought the surgery might be an option for you since the tumor is making it hard for her to poop. (who knew one day I'd be writing strangers about our dogs' bodily functions????) 

Good luck to you and Aiko

Marty 

 

 

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