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Subject: RE: Femara and return of hair after chemo
Date: 02/29/2008
Oleander is a potentially lethal drug. It has some nasty side effects in some people and should be used ONLY after careful consultation with a properly trained practitioner. Please God, don't anyone try and make a cup of tea out of their oleander bush - it will likely kill you!!!! Personally - until I have further evidence of its efficacy and safety - I'll risk losing my hair
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Subject: RE: Femara and return of hair after chemo
Date: 02/29/2008

Thanks for the reminder about the raw plant - we surely don't want anyone trying to make their own without knowing what they are doing!

You are quite correct - the RAW oleander plant is highly toxic.  However, a properly made extract made the same way that Doctor Ozel in Turkey devised in the early 1960's (when he re-discovered the centuries old remedy) and went on to patent as the medicine Anvirzel is something entirely different.  The boiling and straining process removes the toxins, as was verified by FDA phase I toxicity trials for Anvirzel which found NO toxic limit, but rather a limit in which it was impractical to give larger doses (it was tested as an injectible).

So far, thousands of people have used Aniverzel, the dietary supplement known as Sutherlandia OPC (their latest production run is for 50,000 bottles) and the homemade extract known as oleander soup, which can be made at home about as easily as a large pot of beans, though you have to follow directions and exercise caution in handling the raw plant material.  All three versions are made essentially the same way.

Now here is the kicker - after thousands and thousands of users, not one single confirmed death or life threatening side effect has been attributed to properly made oleander taken in the correct dosage. Not one!  Compare that to any known chemo drug.  Heck, compare it to aspirin and NSAIDS, which kill thousands each year.

You are quite right about raw oleander, but when it comes to the properly made extract I believe I will keep my hair.  I take it every day, have researched it for years and have written a book about it.  I also host a group at Yahoo called "oleandersoup" where no one has been harmed by oleander, but more importantly, in over three years, no one has died either, and virtually every member who came to the group, many after mainstream medicine failed them, are now cancer free or improving.

Here are the instructions for making proper oleander extract:

The Reciipe for Olender Soup Part 1

http://www.tbyil.com/oleandersoup.htm

The Reciipe for Olender Soup Part 2 - Tips and Advice

http://www.tbyil.com/tips.htm

And while you are at the website, I would recommend reading the entire series of articles on oleader which can be found at

http://www.tbyil.com/articles.htm

Thanks again for pointing out the toxicity of raw oleander.

One final note - although the toxins have been removed in oleander extract, it does contain cardiac glycosides (including the main active ingredient oleandrin) which cross assay with digoxin/digitalis.  It IS therefore important to follow directions and stay within recommended dosage amounts (which beginn at half a teaspoon and work up to a tablespoon three times daily).  Those amounts are way, way within the safety range, but a person could get in trouble if for some crazy reason they decided to drink it by the glass.

The same thing would likely be true for a great many medicines whose dosage was exceeded by that degree.

Live long, live healthy, live happy!

Subject: RE: Femara and return of hair after chemo
Date: 02/29/2008

 

On 2/28/2008 Mietie wrote:

 

On 2/27/2008 Linda Lou wrote:

Hi Mietie,

I take Femara after taking Tamoxofin for two years after treatment.  So far, now 5 years out from treatment, I am cancer free.  Most likely, you probably won't experience hair loss from the Femara.  I did, but I understand the chances are low.  My hair was almost to my shoulders again after chemo.  When I started Femara, I had a slow thinning and loss of lustre of my hair.  It got bad enough that I had to get a short haircut again, which I wasn't happy about.  But, my body must be adjusting to the Femara, because my hair is growing back in and is almost back to normal, not quite, but good enough!  My breast cancer is hormone receptor positive.  Your's must be both negative and positive?...because of taking Herceptin and then Femara???

Don't worry too much about the chance of hair loss with Femara...it probably won't happen to you...even if it did...we are still here.  Best of luck to you with your treatment.  Keep your chin up and enjoy every day with or without hair.

Best Regards, Linda Lou

Thanks Linda for the quick response.  it is not so much loss of hair I am worried about; I do not have my hair back yet after chemo - it did not even start to come back as I am still suffering of the effects of the Taxol I had - I just wonder if it will have a chance to come back with having to start on the Femara immediately.  I know it is for the best: my tumour was oestrogen, progesteron and HR  (  is that what it is called, I am not sure!) receptive and it was the second time I had it, but the idea of never getting my hair back is very unattractive as I can not wear a wig without getting a headache.  I suppose I'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best.  At least your hair came back when still being on treatment and that gives me hope.

Take care of yourself, and thank you again for finding the time to think about me,  all the very best,

Annemarie

I am sorry about your hair...I understand as I too am bald from the chemo . I have a fine halo of fuzz all over my head now yet I am so desperate for my hair to grow back....this has been a very hard experience. I hope it all works out for you and your hair grows back even better than before.

 

joann


 

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