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Date: 05/11/2008
I know what you are going through as my husband has stage 4 esophagul cancer. Last August he was diagnosed and the prognosis was 12-14 months. After having a stent inserted and removed and undergoing some chemo regimes, we are starting to pull back because we have discussed with our children about quality and quantity. If you do not have quality of life, are you really living? We cannot be selfish and want our loved one to linger. I think you know when you feel the sideeffects and pain you are going through are not going to change your prognosis, you need to put things in perspective as to how much more you want to do for you and how much more physically and mentally you are able to handle. We are trying to live each day fully and appreciate the time we have left. We still have things to do and take care of before he passes. He is still undergoing chemo but certain ones are not working and others cause reactions. So we are not giving up but trying to be realistic. Our Dr told us from the beginning what the status looked like and even doing chemo, her diagnosis is staying the same as from the beginning. As much as it hurts, we would rather have less time but a better quality of time in our house. It does take it's toll on the whole family when one has cancer. Don't give up on life but quality comes before quantity in our house. We will keep you in our prayers for strength for all of you.        
Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 05/12/2008

I have to agree with Gerri, this should be your husband's decision.  In our case, my husband decided in 2001 that he would forego the two  immunotherapies that was offered for renal cell cancer and that has proven to be the best decision for him.  He has lived with a very good quality of life until just recently.  Many of the folks who took the immunotherapy had little quality of life, became weak and some died from other illnesses due to the weakening of their immune system.   My husband took immune boosters and rarely even got a cold.  But then on 9/11/07, we learned he had two inoperable brain tumors which were both treated with CyberKnife (Radiosurgery) in late Sept and early October.  Now he is alive but suffering from the radiation side effects since these tumors are both in the brain stem area.  But there is also a better chemo drug now available that he is considering.  So again, the choice was his and I supported it.  Prayer and reading aloud the WORD relating to healing has been the most encouraging to me.  Praying for God to lead us in his PEACE vs. being driven by fear has been critically important to us.

Blessings for your journey - SusanB, Caregiver

Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 05/12/2008

I know it's long, but it's really quite a good article from CNN:

 

Stopping cancer treatment: Deciding when the time is right

From MayoClinic.com
Special to CNN.com

 

You've come a long way. You made it through your initial cancer diagnosis and the shock and fear that came with it. You've been through cancer treatment and the related side effects.

But for all you've overcome, if your cancer treatment isn't working as you and your doctor had hoped, you may face another tough step in your journey with cancer. You may eventually need to consider ending your cancer treatment.

As you and your doctor decide whether or not to stop your cancer treatment, take time to gather information and assess your goals. What you find might help you understand that stopping your cancer treatment isn't necessarily giving up. Rather, it's a way to gain more control over how you'll spend the rest of your life.

 

Changing your cancer treatment goals

When you were first diagnosed with cancer, you and your doctor probably discussed what sort of results you could hope for from your cancer treatment. You probably hoped that your cancer would be cured. But if your first line of cancer treatment didn't work as well as you had expected, you might have realized that your goal of a cure was no longer possible and that you needed to refocus your goal.

In life, whether dealing with cancer or anything else, goals aren't fixed and static. Goals must remain flexible and change with the circumstances. This is true when dealing with cancer. Though your first goal, reasonably, is one of cure, sometimes treatment doesn't go as you had hoped. Cure may no longer be a realistic option. Readjusting your goals can help you focus on those things you can still reasonably control.

Throughout your cancer treatment, three phases or goals of care exist. When you move from one phase to the next is up to you and your doctor.

  • The quest for a cure. During this phase you and your doctor hope to cure your cancer. You might be willing to put up with a large number of temporary cancer treatment side effects for the very large payoff — to be cured. If your cancer goes into remission, your goal might now be to maintain your health and make sure your cancer doesn't return.
  • Prolonging your life. If your cancer treatment doesn't proceed as expected, or if your cancer was diagnosed at a more advanced stage, the goal of being cured might not be realistic. If this is the case, a reasonable goal might be to control or shrink the cancer or prevent it from spreading. You might be willing to put up with some side effects of cancer treatment.
  • Comfort rather than cure. A time may come when further treatment has little chance of prolonging your life or of shrinking your cancer. In this setting, trying to achieve the highest possible quality of life is a reasonable goal. Side effects must be kept to a minimum because any benefits are likely to be small. At this point, you and your doctor work to keep you feeling as symptom-free as possible. You might now focus your goal on your family and relationships, rather than your cancer. This can be a time of great comfort and even personal growth.

Your treatment goals are never static, and you and your doctor should continually discuss your goals — slowly and gradually adjusting them based on your individual circumstances. The process is very gradual and evolves throughout the course of your illness.

 

Making the decision to end treatment

Making the transition to comfort and symptomatic (palliative) care can be a difficult choice. Talking about your decision with your doctor and your family might help you sort out your feelings. Some points you might want to discuss include:

  • What's your current condition? Ask your doctor to be honest about your cancer and its progression. And be honest with yourself. Denying that your cancer is progressing, while a natural response, might prevent you from being able to make the most of your time.
  • What's your treatment doing? Is it shrinking your tumor? Is it fighting your cancer? What benefits is it providing, if any? Think about the pros and cons of your treatment.
  • Why are you getting treatment? Is it to shrink the cancer and live longer? What are the chances of this happening? Is it to relieve a symptom, such as pain? Is it working for that symptom? Are you getting these treatments for yourself, or is it because someone in your life wants you to? Is there pressure from your family? Is it worth it? Many people with advanced cancer want to try every possible treatment, for fear they'll let down their loved ones if they don't. But sometimes, getting ineffective treatments only takes you away from your family and loved ones for longer periods of time.
  • What's the downside to treatment? What side effects do you experience? Are they mild or are they intolerable? To what extent does the treatment limit your ability to participate in the activities you enjoy? Consider your quality of life.
  • Is the downside worth it? For the benefit you're receiving from your treatment, are the side effects worth it?
  • What do you want for your future? Will continuing your treatment prevent you from taking part in those activities?

In your decision to end your treatment, take into consideration your religious beliefs and other personal values. Discussions with your religious adviser can help you focus your goals.

 

Discussing the end of your treatment with your doctor

In a perfect world, the decision of whether or not to end your treatment will be thoroughly discussed between you, your doctor and your loved ones. Your doctor would be sure of the potential benefits of your treatment. And you would be open with your doctor about your fears and hopes for your future.

In truth, your doctor might find your prognosis difficult to estimate, and you might be afraid to admit feelings of depression or anxiety. For this reason, it's important that you and your doctor have adequate time to ask each other questions and not be afraid to ask or answer difficult questions about your future.

Many times you and your doctor will agree with each other on whether to continue treatment. But in some cases, you might disagree.

When your doctor wants to end your treatment, but you don't
If your doctor approaches you about ending your cancer treatment, you might feel betrayed. You might feel like your doctor wants to give up on you. Maybe you've been denying the fact that your cancer treatment isn't working, and you aren't ready to accept the fact that it might be time to stop.

Know that your doctor has your best interests in mind, and listen to your doctor's reasoning. Ask questions. Be honest about how the thought of ending your treatment makes you feel. Just because your doctor suggests no longer treating your cancer, your doctor will always continue to treat you, to assure comfort and relieve symptoms to the best of his or her ability. Ask to see X-rays and other tests that show the progression of your cancer. This might help you better understand your doctor's opinion.

You might be reluctant to stop your treatment because you're afraid to lose control over your health. You might also equate ending treatment with giving up. But you can maintain both control and hope without the cancer treatment:

  • Maintaining control. Deciding you don't want any more cancer treatment is a form of control in and of itself. Taking away the treatment means you can have more time with friends and family without the side effects keeping you sidelined. You can control your pain so that you can have a better quality of life. And you still have control over several aspects of your own care, such as what you do and who you see.
  • Restoring hope. If until now hope has come from your expectation of a cure, then ending your treatment might seem like giving up hope. But you can draw hope from other places. Time with friends and family and the comfort your loved ones bring can provide hope, too. Terminally ill people often say that hope comes not from treatment, but through connections with others, spirituality and uplifting memories.

If, after discussing your treatment with your doctor and your family, you decide you don't want to stop your treatment, your doctor may be willing to continue treatment. However, if your doctor knows the treatment will only hurt you, he or she can refuse to treat you. If that happens, you can request a review of your case with the hospital or clinic management. Or you can get a second opinion from another doctor.

When you want to end your treatment, but your doctor doesn't agree
Sometimes pain and other side effects can make your cancer treatment unbearable. This may influence your decision to stop treatment — even if your treatment seems to be working. But pain and side effects can sometimes be remedied so that you're more comfortable as you go through your cancer treatment. Talk to your doctor about getting help for symptoms such as:

  • Pain. Without proper pain control, you might feel like abandoning your treatment before you've given it time to work. A number of solutions — from drugs to complementary therapies, such as meditation — can help you control your symptoms. Your doctor can't detect the severity of your pain, so it's up to you to speak up.
  • Anxiety. It's normal for you to be anxious about what is happening to your health. Anxiety about your future and your family's future — financial, emotional and otherwise — are completely normal. Medications might help you relieve your anxiety. But talking with your doctor or another health care professional can also help you sort out your feelings and provide relief.
  • Depression. Depression is common in people with cancer. But those feelings of hopelessness can contribute to your physical symptoms, making you think you're worse off than you really are. Medications are available for depression, and talking about your feelings can help. Physical signs and symptoms of depression, such as weight loss and fatigue, are difficult for your doctor to diagnose since they can also be caused by your cancer. So tell your doctor if you think you might have depression.

After these factors are controlled, you might be in a better frame of mind to make a decision about continuing your cancer treatment. Don't accept pain, anxiety and depression as part of your cancer — they can all be controlled to some extent most of the time.

If you simply don't want to continue treatment, that's OK. It's not a sign of weakness. When to stop treatment is a highly personal decision. You can always change your mind and restart your treatment if your doctor agrees.

In the end, it's your decision to make, but input from your doctor, other health care workers and your friends and family can be an important part of the decision-making process.

 

Telling your family and friends

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

 

You've come a long way. You made it through your initial cancer diagnosis and the shock and fear that came with it. You've been through cancer treatment and the related side effects.

But for all you've overcome, if your cancer treatment isn't working as you and your doctor had hoped, you may face another tough step in your journey with cancer. You may eventually need to consider ending your cancer treatment.

As you and your doctor decide whether or not to stop your cancer treatment, take time to gather information and assess your goals. What you find might help you understand that stopping your cancer treatment isn't necessarily giving up. Rather, it's a way to gain more control over how you'll spend the rest of your life.

 

Changing your cancer treatment goals

When you were first diagnosed with cancer, you and your doctor probably discussed what sort of results you could hope for from your cancer treatment. You probably hoped that your cancer would be cured. But if your first line of cancer treatment didn't work as well as you had expected, you might have realized that your goal of a cure was no longer possible and that you needed to refocus your goal.

In life, whether dealing with cancer or anything else, goals aren't fixed and static. Goals must remain flexible and change with the circumstances. This is true when dealing with cancer. Though your first goal, reasonably, is one of cure, sometimes treatment doesn't go as you had hoped. Cure may no longer be a realistic option. Readjusting your goals can help you focus on those things you can still reasonably control.

Throughout your cancer treatment, three phases or goals of care exist. When you move from one phase to the next is up to you and your doctor.

  • The quest for a cure. During this phase you and your doctor hope to cure your cancer. You might be willing to put up with a large number of temporary cancer treatment side effects for the very large payoff — to be cured. If your cancer goes into remission, your goal might now be to maintain your health and make sure your cancer doesn't return.
  • Prolonging your life. If your cancer treatment doesn't proceed as expected, or if your cancer was diagnosed at a more advanced stage, the goal of being cured might not be realistic. If this is the case, a reasonable goal might be to control or shrink the cancer or prevent it from spreading. You might be willing to put up with some side effects of cancer treatment.
  • Comfort rather than cure. A time may come when further treatment has little chance of prolonging your life or of shrinking your cancer. In this setting, trying to achieve the highest possible quality of life is a reasonable goal. Side effects must be kept to a minimum because any benefits are likely to be small. At this point, you and your doctor work to keep you feeling as symptom-free as possible. You might now focus your goal on your family and relationships, rather than your cancer. This can be a time of great comfort and even personal growth.

Your treatment goals are never static, and you and your doctor should continually discuss your goals — slowly and gradually adjusting them based on your individual circumstances. The process is very gradual and evolves throughout the course of your illness.

 

Making the decision to end treatment

Making the transition to comfort and symptomatic (palliative) care can be a difficult choice. Talking about your decision with your doctor and your family might help you sort out your feelings. Some points you might want to discuss include:

  • What's your current condition? Ask your doctor to be honest about your cancer and its progression. And be honest with yourself. Denying that your cancer is progressing, while a natural response, might prevent you from being able to make the most of your time.
  • What's your treatment doing? Is it shrinking your tumor? Is it fighting your cancer? What benefits is it providing, if any? Think about the pros and cons of your treatment.
  • Why are you getting treatment? Is it to shrink the cancer and live longer? What are the chances of this happening? Is it to relieve a symptom, such as pain? Is it working for that symptom? Are you getting these treatments for yourself, or is it because someone in your life wants you to? Is there pressure from your family? Is it worth it? Many people with advanced cancer want to try every possible treatment, for fear they'll let down their loved ones if they don't. But sometimes, getting ineffective treatments only takes you away from your family and loved ones for longer periods of time.
  • What's the downside to treatment? What side effects do you experience? Are they mild or are they intolerable? To what extent does the treatment limit your ability to participate in the activities you enjoy? Consider your quality of life.
  • Is the downside worth it? For the benefit you're receiving from your treatment, are the side effects worth it?
  • What do you want for your future? Will continuing your treatment prevent you from taking part in those activities?

In your decision to end your treatment, take into consideration your religious beliefs and other personal values. Discussions with your religious adviser can help you focus your goals.

 

Discussing the end of your treatment with your doctor

In a perfect world, the decision of whether or not to end your treatment will be thoroughly discussed between you, your doctor and your loved ones. Your doctor would be sure of the potential benefits of your treatment. And you would be open with your doctor about your fears and hopes for your future.

In truth, your doctor might find your prognosis difficult to estimate, and you might be afraid to admit feelings of depression or anxiety. For this reason, it's important that you and your doctor have adequate time to ask each other questions and not be afraid to ask or answer difficult questions about your future.

Many times you and your doctor will agree with each other on whether to continue treatment. But in some cases, you might disagree.

When your doctor wants to end your treatment, but you don't
If your doctor approaches you about ending your cancer treatment, you might feel betrayed. You might feel like your doctor wants to give up on you. Maybe you've been denying the fact that your cancer treatment isn't working, and you aren't ready to accept the fact that it might be time to stop.

Know that your doctor has your best interests in mind, and listen to your doctor's reasoning. Ask questions. Be honest about how the thought of ending your treatment makes you feel. Just because your doctor suggests no longer treating your cancer, your doctor will always continue to treat you, to assure comfort and relieve symptoms to the best of his or her ability. Ask to see X-rays and other tests that show the progression of your cancer. This might help you better understand your doctor's opinion.

You might be reluctant to stop your treatment because you're afraid to lose control over your health. You might also equate ending treatment with giving up. But you can maintain both control and hope without the cancer treatment:

  • Maintaining control. Deciding you don't want any more cancer treatment is a form of control in and of itself. Taking away the treatment means you can have more time with friends and family without the side effects keeping you sidelined. You can control your pain so that you can have a better quality of life. And you still have control over several aspects of your own care, such as what you do and who you see.
  • Restoring hope. If until now hope has come from your expectation of a cure, then ending your treatment might seem like giving up hope. But you can draw hope from other places. Time with friends and family and the comfort your loved ones bring can provide hope, too. Terminally ill people often say that hope comes not from treatment, but through connections with others, spirituality and uplifting memories.

If, after discussing your treatment with your doctor and your family, you decide you don't want to stop your treatment, your doctor may be willing to continue treatment. However, if your doctor knows the treatment will only hurt you, he or she can refuse to treat you. If that happens, you can request a review of your case with the hospital or clinic management. Or you can get a second opinion from another doctor.

When you want to end your treatment, but your doctor doesn't agree
Sometimes pain and other side effects can make your cancer treatment unbearable. This may influence your decision to stop treatment — even if your treatment seems to be working. But pain and side effects can sometimes be remedied so that you're more comfortable as you go through your cancer treatment. Talk to your doctor about getting help for symptoms such as:

  • Pain. Without proper pain control, you might feel like abandoning your treatment before you've given it time to work. A number of solutions — from drugs to complementary therapies, such as meditation — can help you control your symptoms. Your doctor can't detect the severity of your pain, so it's up to you to speak up.
  • Anxiety. It's normal for you to be anxious about what is happening to your health. Anxiety about your future and your family's future — financial, emotional and otherwise — are completely normal. Medications might help you relieve your anxiety. But talking with your doctor or another health care professional can also help you sort out your feelings and provide relief.
  • Depression. Depression is common in people with cancer. But those feelings of hopelessness can contribute to your physical symptoms, making you think you're worse off than you really are. Medications are available for depression, and talking about your feelings can help. Physical signs and symptoms of depression, such as weight loss and fatigue, are difficult for your doctor to diagnose since they can also be caused by your cancer. So tell your doctor if you think you might have depression.

After these factors are controlled, you might be in a better frame of mind to make a decision about continuing your cancer treatment. Don't accept pain, anxiety and depression as part of your cancer — they can all be controlled to some extent most of the time.

If you simply don't want to continue treatment, that's OK. It's not a sign of weakness. When to stop treatment is a highly personal decision. You can always change your mind and restart your treatment if your doctor agrees.

In the end, it's your decision to make, but input from your doctor, other health care workers and your friends and family can be an important part of the decision-making process.

 

Telling your family and friends

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

When you were first diagnosed with cancer, you and your doctor probably discussed what sort of results you could hope for from your cancer treatment. You probably hoped that your cancer would be cured. But if your first line of cancer treatment didn't work as well as you had expected, you might have realized that your goal of a cure was no longer possible and that you needed to refocus your goal.

In life, whether dealing with cancer or anything else, goals aren't fixed and static. Goals must remain flexible and change with the circumstances. This is true when dealing with cancer. Though your first goal, reasonably, is one of cure, sometimes treatment doesn't go as you had hoped. Cure may no longer be a realistic option. Readjusting your goals can help you focus on those things you can still reasonably control.

Throughout your cancer treatment, three phases or goals of care exist. When you move from one phase to the next is up to you and your doctor.

  • The quest for a cure. During this phase you and your doctor hope to cure your cancer. You might be willing to put up with a large number of temporary cancer treatment side effects for the very large payoff — to be cured. If your cancer goes into remission, your goal might now be to maintain your health and make sure your cancer doesn't return.
  • Prolonging your life. If your cancer treatment doesn't proceed as expected, or if your cancer was diagnosed at a more advanced stage, the goal of being cured might not be realistic. If this is the case, a reasonable goal might be to control or shrink the cancer or prevent it from spreading. You might be willing to put up with some side effects of cancer treatment.
  • Comfort rather than cure. A time may come when further treatment has little chance of prolonging your life or of shrinking your cancer. In this setting, trying to achieve the highest possible quality of life is a reasonable goal. Side effects must be kept to a minimum because any benefits are likely to be small. At this point, you and your doctor work to keep you feeling as symptom-free as possible. You might now focus your goal on your family and relationships, rather than your cancer. This can be a time of great comfort and even personal growth.

Your treatment goals are never static, and you and your doctor should continually discuss your goals — slowly and gradually adjusting them based on your individual circumstances. The process is very gradual and evolves throughout the course of your illness.

 

Making the decision to end treatment

Making the transition to comfort and symptomatic (palliative) care can be a difficult choice. Talking about your decision with your doctor and your family might help you sort out your feelings. Some points you might want to discuss include:

  • What's your current condition? Ask your doctor to be honest about your cancer and its progression. And be honest with yourself. Denying that your cancer is progressing, while a natural response, might prevent you from being able to make the most of your time.
  • What's your treatment doing? Is it shrinking your tumor? Is it fighting your cancer? What benefits is it providing, if any? Think about the pros and cons of your treatment.
  • Why are you getting treatment? Is it to shrink the cancer and live longer? What are the chances of this happening? Is it to relieve a symptom, such as pain? Is it working for that symptom? Are you getting these treatments for yourself, or is it because someone in your life wants you to? Is there pressure from your family? Is it worth it? Many people with advanced cancer want to try every possible treatment, for fear they'll let down their loved ones if they don't. But sometimes, getting ineffective treatments only takes you away from your family and loved ones for longer periods of time.
  • What's the downside to treatment? What side effects do you experience? Are they mild or are they intolerable? To what extent does the treatment limit your ability to participate in the activities you enjoy? Consider your quality of life.
  • Is the downside worth it? For the benefit you're receiving from your treatment, are the side effects worth it?
  • What do you want for your future? Will continuing your treatment prevent you from taking part in those activities?

In your decision to end your treatment, take into consideration your religious beliefs and other personal values. Discussions with your religious adviser can help you focus your goals.

 

Discussing the end of your treatment with your doctor

In a perfect world, the decision of whether or not to end your treatment will be thoroughly discussed between you, your doctor and your loved ones. Your doctor would be sure of the potential benefits of your treatment. And you would be open with your doctor about your fears and hopes for your future.

In truth, your doctor might find your prognosis difficult to estimate, and you might be afraid to admit feelings of depression or anxiety. For this reason, it's important that you and your doctor have adequate time to ask each other questions and not be afraid to ask or answer difficult questions about your future.

Many times you and your doctor will agree with each other on whether to continue treatment. But in some cases, you might disagree.

When your doctor wants to end your treatment, but you don't
If your doctor approaches you about ending your cancer treatment, you might feel betrayed. You might feel like your doctor wants to give up on you. Maybe you've been denying the fact that your cancer treatment isn't working, and you aren't ready to accept the fact that it might be time to stop.

Know that your doctor has your best interests in mind, and listen to your doctor's reasoning. Ask questions. Be honest about how the thought of ending your treatment makes you feel. Just because your doctor suggests no longer treating your cancer, your doctor will always continue to treat you, to assure comfort and relieve symptoms to the best of his or her ability. Ask to see X-rays and other tests that show the progression of your cancer. This might help you better understand your doctor's opinion.

You might be reluctant to stop your treatment because you're afraid to lose control over your health. You might also equate ending treatment with giving up. But you can maintain both control and hope without the cancer treatment:

  • Maintaining control. Deciding you don't want any more cancer treatment is a form of control in and of itself. Taking away the treatment means you can have more time with friends and family without the side effects keeping you sidelined. You can control your pain so that you can have a better quality of life. And you still have control over several aspects of your own care, such as what you do and who you see.
  • Restoring hope. If until now hope has come from your expectation of a cure, then ending your treatment might seem like giving up hope. But you can draw hope from other places. Time with friends and family and the comfort your loved ones bring can provide hope, too. Terminally ill people often say that hope comes not from treatment, but through connections with others, spirituality and uplifting memories.

If, after discussing your treatment with your doctor and your family, you decide you don't want to stop your treatment, your doctor may be willing to continue treatment. However, if your doctor knows the treatment will only hurt you, he or she can refuse to treat you. If that happens, you can request a review of your case with the hospital or clinic management. Or you can get a second opinion from another doctor.

When you want to end your treatment, but your doctor doesn't agree
Sometimes pain and other side effects can make your cancer treatment unbearable. This may influence your decision to stop treatment — even if your treatment seems to be working. But pain and side effects can sometimes be remedied so that you're more comfortable as you go through your cancer treatment. Talk to your doctor about getting help for symptoms such as:

  • Pain. Without proper pain control, you might feel like abandoning your treatment before you've given it time to work. A number of solutions — from drugs to complementary therapies, such as meditation — can help you control your symptoms. Your doctor can't detect the severity of your pain, so it's up to you to speak up.
  • Anxiety. It's normal for you to be anxious about what is happening to your health. Anxiety about your future and your family's future — financial, emotional and otherwise — are completely normal. Medications might help you relieve your anxiety. But talking with your doctor or another health care professional can also help you sort out your feelings and provide relief.
  • Depression. Depression is common in people with cancer. But those feelings of hopelessness can contribute to your physical symptoms, making you think you're worse off than you really are. Medications are available for depression, and talking about your feelings can help. Physical signs and symptoms of depression, such as weight loss and fatigue, are difficult for your doctor to diagnose since they can also be caused by your cancer. So tell your doctor if you think you might have depression.

After these factors are controlled, you might be in a better frame of mind to make a decision about continuing your cancer treatment. Don't accept pain, anxiety and depression as part of your cancer — they can all be controlled to some extent most of the time.

If you simply don't want to continue treatment, that's OK. It's not a sign of weakness. When to stop treatment is a highly personal decision. You can always change your mind and restart your treatment if your doctor agrees.

In the end, it's your decision to make, but input from your doctor, other health care workers and your friends and family can be an important part of the decision-making process.

 

Telling your family and friends

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

Making the transition to comfort and symptomatic (palliative) care can be a difficult choice. Talking about your decision with your doctor and your family might help you sort out your feelings. Some points you might want to discuss include:

  • What's your current condition? Ask your doctor to be honest about your cancer and its progression. And be honest with yourself. Denying that your cancer is progressing, while a natural response, might prevent you from being able to make the most of your time.
  • What's your treatment doing? Is it shrinking your tumor? Is it fighting your cancer? What benefits is it providing, if any? Think about the pros and cons of your treatment.
  • Why are you getting treatment? Is it to shrink the cancer and live longer? What are the chances of this happening? Is it to relieve a symptom, such as pain? Is it working for that symptom? Are you getting these treatments for yourself, or is it because someone in your life wants you to? Is there pressure from your family? Is it worth it? Many people with advanced cancer want to try every possible treatment, for fear they'll let down their loved ones if they don't. But sometimes, getting ineffective treatments only takes you away from your family and loved ones for longer periods of time.
  • What's the downside to treatment? What side effects do you experience? Are they mild or are they intolerable? To what extent does the treatment limit your ability to participate in the activities you enjoy? Consider your quality of life.
  • Is the downside worth it? For the benefit you're receiving from your treatment, are the side effects worth it?
  • What do you want for your future? Will continuing your treatment prevent you from taking part in those activities?

In your decision to end your treatment, take into consideration your religious beliefs and other personal values. Discussions with your religious adviser can help you focus your goals.

 

Discussing the end of your treatment with your doctor

In a perfect world, the decision of whether or not to end your treatment will be thoroughly discussed between you, your doctor and your loved ones. Your doctor would be sure of the potential benefits of your treatment. And you would be open with your doctor about your fears and hopes for your future.

In truth, your doctor might find your prognosis difficult to estimate, and you might be afraid to admit feelings of depression or anxiety. For this reason, it's important that you and your doctor have adequate time to ask each other questions and not be afraid to ask or answer difficult questions about your future.

Many times you and your doctor will agree with each other on whether to continue treatment. But in some cases, you might disagree.

When your doctor wants to end your treatment, but you don't
If your doctor approaches you about ending your cancer treatment, you might feel betrayed. You might feel like your doctor wants to give up on you. Maybe you've been denying the fact that your cancer treatment isn't working, and you aren't ready to accept the fact that it might be time to stop.

Know that your doctor has your best interests in mind, and listen to your doctor's reasoning. Ask questions. Be honest about how the thought of ending your treatment makes you feel. Just because your doctor suggests no longer treating your cancer, your doctor will always continue to treat you, to assure comfort and relieve symptoms to the best of his or her ability. Ask to see X-rays and other tests that show the progression of your cancer. This might help you better understand your doctor's opinion.

You might be reluctant to stop your treatment because you're afraid to lose control over your health. You might also equate ending treatment with giving up. But you can maintain both control and hope without the cancer treatment:

  • Maintaining control. Deciding you don't want any more cancer treatment is a form of control in and of itself. Taking away the treatment means you can have more time with friends and family without the side effects keeping you sidelined. You can control your pain so that you can have a better quality of life. And you still have control over several aspects of your own care, such as what you do and who you see.
  • Restoring hope. If until now hope has come from your expectation of a cure, then ending your treatment might seem like giving up hope. But you can draw hope from other places. Time with friends and family and the comfort your loved ones bring can provide hope, too. Terminally ill people often say that hope comes not from treatment, but through connections with others, spirituality and uplifting memories.

If, after discussing your treatment with your doctor and your family, you decide you don't want to stop your treatment, your doctor may be willing to continue treatment. However, if your doctor knows the treatment will only hurt you, he or she can refuse to treat you. If that happens, you can request a review of your case with the hospital or clinic management. Or you can get a second opinion from another doctor.

When you want to end your treatment, but your doctor doesn't agree
Sometimes pain and other side effects can make your cancer treatment unbearable. This may influence your decision to stop treatment — even if your treatment seems to be working. But pain and side effects can sometimes be remedied so that you're more comfortable as you go through your cancer treatment. Talk to your doctor about getting help for symptoms such as:

  • Pain. Without proper pain control, you might feel like abandoning your treatment before you've given it time to work. A number of solutions — from drugs to complementary therapies, such as meditation — can help you control your symptoms. Your doctor can't detect the severity of your pain, so it's up to you to speak up.
  • Anxiety. It's normal for you to be anxious about what is happening to your health. Anxiety about your future and your family's future — financial, emotional and otherwise — are completely normal. Medications might help you relieve your anxiety. But talking with your doctor or another health care professional can also help you sort out your feelings and provide relief.
  • Depression. Depression is common in people with cancer. But those feelings of hopelessness can contribute to your physical symptoms, making you think you're worse off than you really are. Medications are available for depression, and talking about your feelings can help. Physical signs and symptoms of depression, such as weight loss and fatigue, are difficult for your doctor to diagnose since they can also be caused by your cancer. So tell your doctor if you think you might have depression.

After these factors are controlled, you might be in a better frame of mind to make a decision about continuing your cancer treatment. Don't accept pain, anxiety and depression as part of your cancer — they can all be controlled to some extent most of the time.

If you simply don't want to continue treatment, that's OK. It's not a sign of weakness. When to stop treatment is a highly personal decision. You can always change your mind and restart your treatment if your doctor agrees.

In the end, it's your decision to make, but input from your doctor, other health care workers and your friends and family can be an important part of the decision-making process.

 

Telling your family and friends

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

In a perfect world, the decision of whether or not to end your treatment will be thoroughly discussed between you, your doctor and your loved ones. Your doctor would be sure of the potential benefits of your treatment. And you would be open with your doctor about your fears and hopes for your future.

In truth, your doctor might find your prognosis difficult to estimate, and you might be afraid to admit feelings of depression or anxiety. For this reason, it's important that you and your doctor have adequate time to ask each other questions and not be afraid to ask or answer difficult questions about your future.

Many times you and your doctor will agree with each other on whether to continue treatment. But in some cases, you might disagree.

When your doctor wants to end your treatment, but you don't
If your doctor approaches you about ending your cancer treatment, you might feel betrayed. You might feel like your doctor wants to give up on you. Maybe you've been denying the fact that your cancer treatment isn't working, and you aren't ready to accept the fact that it might be time to stop.

Know that your doctor has your best interests in mind, and listen to your doctor's reasoning. Ask questions. Be honest about how the thought of ending your treatment makes you feel. Just because your doctor suggests no longer treating your cancer, your doctor will always continue to treat you, to assure comfort and relieve symptoms to the best of his or her ability. Ask to see X-rays and other tests that show the progression of your cancer. This might help you better understand your doctor's opinion.

You might be reluctant to stop your treatment because you're afraid to lose control over your health. You might also equate ending treatment with giving up. But you can maintain both control and hope without the cancer treatment:

  • Maintaining control. Deciding you don't want any more cancer treatment is a form of control in and of itself. Taking away the treatment means you can have more time with friends and family without the side effects keeping you sidelined. You can control your pain so that you can have a better quality of life. And you still have control over several aspects of your own care, such as what you do and who you see.
  • Restoring hope. If until now hope has come from your expectation of a cure, then ending your treatment might seem like giving up hope. But you can draw hope from other places. Time with friends and family and the comfort your loved ones bring can provide hope, too. Terminally ill people often say that hope comes not from treatment, but through connections with others, spirituality and uplifting memories.

If, after discussing your treatment with your doctor and your family, you decide you don't want to stop your treatment, your doctor may be willing to continue treatment. However, if your doctor knows the treatment will only hurt you, he or she can refuse to treat you. If that happens, you can request a review of your case with the hospital or clinic management. Or you can get a second opinion from another doctor.

When you want to end your treatment, but your doctor doesn't agree
Sometimes pain and other side effects can make your cancer treatment unbearable. This may influence your decision to stop treatment — even if your treatment seems to be working. But pain and side effects can sometimes be remedied so that you're more comfortable as you go through your cancer treatment. Talk to your doctor about getting help for symptoms such as:

  • Pain. Without proper pain control, you might feel like abandoning your treatment before you've given it time to work. A number of solutions — from drugs to complementary therapies, such as meditation — can help you control your symptoms. Your doctor can't detect the severity of your pain, so it's up to you to speak up.
  • Anxiety. It's normal for you to be anxious about what is happening to your health. Anxiety about your future and your family's future — financial, emotional and otherwise — are completely normal. Medications might help you relieve your anxiety. But talking with your doctor or another health care professional can also help you sort out your feelings and provide relief.
  • Depression. Depression is common in people with cancer. But those feelings of hopelessness can contribute to your physical symptoms, making you think you're worse off than you really are. Medications are available for depression, and talking about your feelings can help. Physical signs and symptoms of depression, such as weight loss and fatigue, are difficult for your doctor to diagnose since they can also be caused by your cancer. So tell your doctor if you think you might have depression.

After these factors are controlled, you might be in a better frame of mind to make a decision about continuing your cancer treatment. Don't accept pain, anxiety and depression as part of your cancer — they can all be controlled to some extent most of the time.

If you simply don't want to continue treatment, that's OK. It's not a sign of weakness. When to stop treatment is a highly personal decision. You can always change your mind and restart your treatment if your doctor agrees.

In the end, it's your decision to make, but input from your doctor, other health care workers and your friends and family can be an important part of the decision-making process.

 

Telling your family and friends

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

If you decide to end your cancer treatment, be honest and open with your family and friends when telling them. Talking about your feelings can be therapeutic. It can also help your friends and family come to terms with your decision to end treatment. They'll better understand what they can do to help you and how you want them to behave toward you. You might prefer to keep your feelings to yourself, and that's OK too.

It's possible that your friends and family might not understand your decision because of fears about your future or theirs. Talking about your decision to end your treatment and your change in goals might help them overcome these fears.

If you have difficulty talking with your friends and family or if they have difficulty accepting your decision, talk to someone trained in counseling, such as a nurse, social worker, psychologist or a member of the clergy. That person might have ideas for you to make talking with your friends and family easier.

Your friends and family may just need time to adjust to your decision. Let them know you want them close and still need their support.

Talk with your family about your wishes for the future — called advance directives. Discuss whether you'd want to be kept alive if machines were breathing for you. Appoint someone to make health care decisions for you if you were to become incapacitated.

 

What to expect after your treatment ends

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

If you decide to end your treatment, it doesn't mean you'll stop being cared for by doctors and nurses. You and your doctor will discuss your options. You might have a loved one or friend who wants to help take care of you. Or you might decide to use a home nursing service.

No matter what you choose, you'll still have regular checkups to make sure your pain is kept at bay and that you're comfortable. Your doctor might have you seen by another doctor who specializes in palliative care — a doctor whose main focus is to make you comfortable, not cure you.

Stopping your treatment doesn't mean you'll die immediately. After you end treatment, you could still be active and care for yourself for many months. It's also possible your health could deteriorate rapidly. How long you'll live after ending your treatment will vary depending on the type and stage of your cancer, as well as other health problems you may have.

Whether you want to stay at home is up to you and will depend on the level of care you need. You might feel more comfortable in a hospital or nursing home with doctors and nurses nearby at all times. Or you might prefer the comfort of your home with a nurse to check in on you every day. You might choose a hospice program, which is designed for people who generally aren't expected to live more than six months.

 

More time for what matters

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

When ending treatment makes you pain-free and more able to participate in various daily activities, you might find you have more time for friends and family. Being able to be cared for at home might mean you could keep up with hobbies or activities that make you happy.

 

 

Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 06/23/2008

 

On 5/6/2008 rose01 wrote:

I hope this isn't an insensitive or dumb question but I'd like to know how others have approached this. If and when there comes a point that the treatment is taking such a toll on quality of life that it's not worth it, how do you recognize this point??  Do you let the doctors tell you first that they've done all they can?  Do you just "instinctly" know?  I want myself and my husband to fight this cursed disease with all we have but at the same time, doesn't this have to be weighed against quality of time and living life on one's own terms?  I really don't have any answers right now.  In fact, I pray we never get to this crossroad.

 

Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 06/23/2008

Hi,

I know that making this type of decision is diffucult. My son who is just eight has been recently diagnosed for the third time in his life and we have been faced with this very decision. For us with all of the medical treatment he has recieved the answer came reletively easy. We decided along with the doctors that his quality of life is of importance. Yes we would like to fight this however we know that because of his history cure is not something that is likely. Though we havent given up we have stopped all radical treatment and have placed him on oral medications to help stop the tumors from growing. We have also called in Hospice to take charge of his daily treatment, blood draws, physicals, meds ect., that we can do at home so that we don't have to be at the hospital nearly as much.

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Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 06/23/2008

 

On 5/6/2008 rose01 wrote:

I hope this isn't an insensitive or dumb question but I'd like to know how others have approached this. If and when there comes a point that the treatment is taking such a toll on quality of life that it's not worth it, how do you recognize this point??  Do you let the doctors tell you first that they've done all they can?  Do you just "instinctly" know?  I want myself and my husband to fight this cursed disease with all we have but at the same time, doesn't this have to be weighed against quality of time and living life on one's own terms?  I really don't have any answers right now.  In fact, I pray we never get to this crossroad.

 

This is what we are going through right now with my Dad.  He is just finishing up his 6th cycle of xeloda and his quality of life is not good.  Nothing tastes good to him so he doesn't eat and has lost weight, he gets loose stools, he has so much fluid build up from his abdomen down to his toes and he is very weak.  I told him that he has got to be done with chemo and start taking natural supplements to get his strength back and get rid of all these side effects!  This cancer stuff is for the birds!!  In fact, I wouldn't even wish it on them!!  Take Care and Best Wishes!!

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Subject: RE: Quality v. quantity
Date: 06/23/2008

 

On 5/8/2008 jcr65566 wrote:

Hi I hope this helps  The thing is if you have cancer you dont  have to die. You see  the reasion I say this is I have prostrate cancer. I was told after I had a Biopsies that I had prostate cancer with a Gleason of eight and a psa of 9.8. I  was told  to get it out fast  I had Cancer so I did what the doctors told me, over a six months period I spent over $3000.00 seeing Specialist. Flying to Sydney and then to Brisbane. Each wanted to charge me $20.000 for the Operation a Radical prostatectomy I found out my medical insurance would only have  paid out $10.000 for the operation. I it seemed some how would have to come up with the rest. The Doctors  wouldn't do the operation any way. they said I weighed to much As at the time my hight was 180cm and  my weight was 150kg. One wanted me to slim down to 120kg the other  wanted me to go down to 100kls before they do the Operation. the damage that this Radical prostatectomy Operation dos is Frightening. At this time angry and disillusion with the medical perfection I went for a walk I come across one of my neighbours , Jeff who use to live up the road from me. He told me he once had  lung cancer he said a few years ago it was poking out of the ribs in the his chest he said he herd I had cancer and he come over to see me he showed me two photos. When the fist photo was taken (years before) he was told he only had two or three weeks to live he showed me the two photos of himself the fist one showed a whole pile of bumps and lumps coming out of the frount of he's chest  the other taken months later. was normal it was amazing. he said  He's been  in remission. for a number of years now. amazed I said How? He said there are three main things that cause cancer Diet Toxins and Stress he told me he was put on meger dos of vitamins plus a strick diet of veg  he all so used a product called Liquid Zeolite for the toxins  I said Zeo-What. He said I got it of the internet it works. he told me go to my computer. Go to google and just to tipe in Zeolite so I did. This gave me hope he said when he started taking all this .Only a few days later he could feel it starting to  work as his chest felt ichy. So he knew some thing was happing. He told me he was taking a large dayly dos of Vitamin B and C plus 15 drops 4 x a day of the Zeolite a few months later after one of  the x-ray showed the tumours almost gone  he upped it to 20 drops 4 x a day. he said hes seen a lot of people use thes not one has told him it dident work. He also told me if you think your going to die you will. You have to have hope. And I do. it been over a year now  I'm now on a diet but I wont be having any operation. Im still fighting the cancer and I can feel Im wining I using two main compond now. One is Liquid Zeolite witch they say  removes toxions. I also on  other things  it a natural product called N-Tense it got a combination of Graviola with 7 other rainforest plants and Graviola the maker says it boost up the immune system. these two products in them selfs  are very powerfull cancer fighting drugs the Liquid Zeolite cost me about 33 dollors a bottle and I needed 15 bottles and N-tense. Cost me $55.00. Both target cancer cells. They cost me all to gether $555.00 it a bit cheeper then $20,000 for the operation. Talking to the right  people. I know there is no known cure for cancer. Once we get it we have it for life. All we can then do is boost up our immune system so it can fight it. And that for the next 20 so  years of my life is  what I'm going to do. only afters a month on the vitamins and the Liquid Zeolite I felt i was  geting better I can feel it  now I have more energy and at last I can go to the loo and not take forever to go. you dont have to die with Cancer. in the last 12 months I found out that  most of my doctors dont know about other treatments and they also feel they dont want to know if you want to find out for your self go down to the shop and get a bottle of 1000mg of Bio C or vitamin C start taking a 1000mg a day to start with. Beleave me you will start to feel better with in a week or two  any one wants to reply feel free.
God bless you Ray
God bless you Ray

Ray

 

I am so happy to hear of someone suggesting alternative therapies!!  I can't believe how many of these messages I read that talk about all the drugs they are taking and how many side effects they are having and their quality of life is nothing!!  My Dad has taken the zeolite also before he had chemo.  He was taking mega doses of antioxidants and vitamins and this zeolite and he never felt better.  He felt so good, he didn't want to do the chemo, but for some reason these doctors have a hold on patients where we are supposed to trust them and think that they know what is best for us and sometimes that is just not true!  He started xeloda and will be finishing up his 6th cycle and his quality of life is not there anymore.  I just told him today that he has got to be done with this poison and needs to get back on what he was doing before chemo to get his quality of life back and get the poison out of his body!  I hope and pray that some day (I won't see it in my time) everyone will be using the alternative therapies first and if they need help they will add the poison!  You are absolutely right that you need to boost your immune system with vitamins and natural supplements so it is so strong nothing can overtake it!!  Good Luck and Best Wishes!!

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