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    <pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: Should I give up now?</title>
      <description>Hi - So sorry about your Dad. We have been battling EC since 12/05. I understand your discouragement with your Dad&amp;#39;s condition. It sounds pretty bad. I also understand the frustration with the medical world, although we have been fortunate to have a Dr who treated in spite of stage 4 status, he responded to the chemo and radiation, and made it through surgery. We are currently on our 4th round of lung mets, but have been able to avoid treatment to date for this most recent round, and I&amp;#39;m hoping next weeks CT will show&amp;nbsp;improvement&amp;nbsp;over the April CT, which would make me more comfortable with our current decision not to treat yet.We practice a form of energy healing called Tong Ren. Although many cancers are cured, and a study is about to be released by Harvard Medical School and&amp;nbsp;Dana Farber, not everyone is cured (guess that goes without saying). I&amp;#39;ve seen a lot of&amp;nbsp;seemingly impossible things happen in our&amp;nbsp;tong ren group. My experience has been that even though we are not able to&amp;nbsp;cure everyone, many are cured, and I don&amp;#39;t know anyone who has&amp;nbsp;not experienced an improved quality of life through using tong ren. You can find info at www.tomtam.com. As well as holding classes in various areas where we work on attendees on a donation basis, there is a conference call line for&amp;nbsp;treatment, and a specific call for stage 4 cancers which meets 4 times a week.&amp;nbsp;It is available for the cost of a long distance call. If you are interested, the website has a link to conference call schedule, although the stage 4 specific call may not be on the list. You can contact me if you are interested in that particular call.&amp;nbsp;The chemo was hell, but we did much better when we were using tongren than we did during a round before we discovered it. All tong ren involves on the part of the patient is sitting (or laying down) to receive the energy.Good luck with your Dad. If you have trouble convincing him, you could try it. There is an emotional group on Monday mornings which is very relaxing, and lets face it, with EC we can all use some emotional help. The evening groups do various health complaints which would give you a chance to experience it and share your experience&amp;nbsp;with your Dad. I know it looks crazy, but it works, and you don&amp;#39;t have a thing to lose.</description>
      <author>tongrenhealer</author>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>Thanks Lynette,&amp;nbsp;Thank You for getting back to me!&amp;nbsp; That sounds like&amp;nbsp;a great regime you guys are doing.&amp;nbsp; Apricot seeds, juice, and I havent heard much about the water your talking about.&amp;nbsp; I&amp;#39;m sure those things will help the cells stay cancer free.Was your husband in pretty rough shape like my dad is before he was cancer free?&amp;nbsp; It seems hard to imagine things turning around for my Dad, but I guess you never know.</description>
      <author>lland</author>
      <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <title>RE: Should I give up now?</title>
      <description>Hi,My husband&amp;nbsp;opted out of chemo after RFA to his liver and takes apricot seeds.&amp;nbsp; He also drinks ozonated water.&amp;nbsp; We bought a cheap machine and he drinks it several times a day.&amp;nbsp; We juice and he takes modified fruit pectin.He is cancer free right now, but needs to go in for more scans.&amp;nbsp; It will always be a fight.&amp;nbsp; One can never be sure if there are dormant cells just waiting.Lynette</description>
      <author>Lynette524</author>
      <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>We get ours from apricotsfromgod.com. You can actually order the enyzme pills from them also. I originally bought the enyzmes for my dad but he is taking so much he didnt want to take that also. I make sure he eats the pineapple though. If you dont take the enyzme pills you can get the enyzme from pineapple or papaya fruit or the juice. On the site there is a phone number to order the seeds and b17. Talk to Martha. Shes great.&amp;nbsp; You will find the site very interesting. Make sure to read jason vales story and the journal and testomonials.</description>
      <author>saucey</author>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <description>&amp;nbsp;My Dad was diagnosed with esophageal cancer with mets to the liver (several tumors on the liver)&amp;nbsp;in October.&amp;nbsp; When he was first diagnosed, we thought that conventional western medicine was the way to go, and that people who chose the &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; route were crazy.&amp;nbsp; That is what our society has got us believing.&amp;nbsp; Now I feel the opposite, but that is neither here nor there at this point.So Dad had 5 months of chemotherepy.&amp;nbsp; This did not work.&amp;nbsp; He was so sick when he was on chemo but the 2 weeks in between treatments he was ok.&amp;nbsp; But after 5 months, we realized the chemo was not working.&amp;nbsp; They offered him another type of chemo with a 10% chance it might help, but Dad declined.&amp;nbsp; We started going to naturalpath.&amp;nbsp; Since a month ago, Dad has been taking hemp oil (phoenix tears hemp oil), apricot seeds, vitamin C infusions, and other supplements.&amp;nbsp; He has gone from being able to go for short walks to not being able to get out of bed except to go to the bathroom in the last 2 weeks.&amp;nbsp; He&amp;#39;s loosing weight, struggles to talk, has fevers around the clock unless he is on tylenol, which he is a lot.&amp;nbsp; His abdomon and ankles are swoolen, anemic needing blood transfusions once a&amp;nbsp;week,&amp;nbsp;and worst of all, he&amp;#39;s always nausious, and throwing up many times a day.&amp;nbsp; He Cannot eat much because of this.&amp;nbsp; We dont know where the nausia is coming from but his liver is very bad at this point.I always had hope through all of this.&amp;nbsp; Even last week when his&amp;nbsp;medical doctor told him he had a few months to live (he did not know that Dad was doing any alternative treatments)&amp;nbsp; But we have tried what seems like everything now and nothing is making this any better, he&amp;#39;s just getting worse and worse.&amp;nbsp; Is it time for me to give up hope and accept that he is going to die?&amp;nbsp; I cannot see how he can come back from being this ill.&amp;nbsp; I can&amp;#39;t see how the treatments he is on could work now that it&amp;#39;s been over a month and there is NO sign of him getting any better.&amp;nbsp; At what point do you give up hope and just accept?</description>
      <author>lland</author>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT</pubDate>
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