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Subject: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008

Naturopaths swear by the efficacy of Vitamin C in fighting cancer.

Is there any hard evidence from clinical trials to support this?

 

My wife has advanced lung cancer NSCLC.

 

Thanks.

 

VoltaireX 

Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008

 

On 6/12/2008 VoltaireX wrote:

Naturopaths swear by the efficacy of Vitamin C in fighting cancer.

Is there any hard evidence from clinical trials to support this?

 

My wife has advanced lung cancer NSCLC.

 

Thanks.

 

VoltaireX

you wont find one clinical trial that suports Vitamin as there all  flawed in some way Just taking Simple sugars will stop the Vitamin C working to fight cancer  I know taking a large dose of vitamin c worked for me I know a bit on how it works hope this helps Normal, healthy cells are arranged in a definite, organized structure to form tissues.  They only divide to make a new cell when the need arises.  Sometimes, a cell will mutate and disobey the rules.  This is most often caused by free-radical damage to the cell, which is why we hear so much these days about antioxidants such as Vitamins A, C and E and Beta Carotene.  These Vitamins neutralize the free radicals and slow their progress.  This mutation of individual cells probably happens to all of us every day. "Each one of us produces several hundred thousand cancer cells every day of our lives. Whether we develop clinical cancer or not depends upon the ability of our immune systems to destroy these cancer cells. That's because cancer thrives in the presence of a deficient immune system."Why cancer progreses When a mutated cell has the ability to replicate itself with disregard to the tissue structure - This is a tumor.  Our bodies have two basic lines of defense against tumor growth - both involving Vitamin C.The first is our immune system.  Even after the most successful surgery, radiation- or chemotherapy, some cancer cells are bound to remain.  It is our immune system that will hunt down these cells and destroy them.  Vitamin C is required for our immune systems to generate and mobilize the specialized cells that fight cancer and infections, too.  The more stress your immune system is under, the more Vitamin C is used, if it is available.  If it isn't available, the disease will not be stopped. Secondly, there is a cement, or ground substance, that holds our cells together properly to form the integrity of our tissues.  Dr. Ewan Cameron theorized that cancer cells excrete a substance, hyaluronidase, that breaks down the collagen and fibers that make up the structure of this ground substance which creates the space needed for tumor growth.  Vitamin C is required for the development of collagen and this fibrous material.  This is why it is so important to all tissue related problems, including disc injuries, gum problems, vascular diseases and even skeletal problems.  It is a reasonable leap of logic that chronic Vitamin C deficiency is a major contributor to osteoporosis.  Juvenile osteoporosis could probably be eliminated or at least minimized through proper nutrition.

Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008

there are other ways to fight cancer beside Vitamin C

Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008
Yes - Like Chemo,radiation, etc.  Vitamins are important but will not kill cancer cells.
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Date: 06/12/2008

 

On 6/12/2008 Arnold wrote:

Yes - Like Chemo,radiation, etc.  Vitamins are important but will not kill cancer cells.

 

Yes I know that. Id like to show you what Vitamins Antioxidants  realy do. So lets talk about the Antioxidants Vitamin C . We poor humans are one of the few mammals on Gods earth that cant produce our own Vitamin C. We have to get it from the food we eat. Most of the animals in the wold produce there own vitamin C. Do you know that the white Mice that once were use for the testing of vitamins and cancer also produce there own vitamin C and if the mice were our size they would produce about 16000mg of it a day.  Vitamin C is an Antioxidants it main roll is to protect the cells in our bodys from damage caused by unstable molecules known as free radicals. I read this in science daily last year on sep 12 2007 It will explain a little bit about what Vitamin C dos. the statement that vitamin C kills cancer all started  " Nearly 30 years ago when  Nobel laureate Linus Pauling  famously and controversially suggested that vitamin C supplements can prevent cancer, 

since then a team of Johns Hopkins scientists have shown that in mice at least, vitamin C - and potentially other antioxidants - can indeed inhibit the growth of some tumors but  just not in the manner suggested by years of investigation. A few years ago these Johns Hopkins investigators discovered the surprise antioxidant mechanism while looking at mice implanted with either human lymphoma (a blood cancer) or human liver cancer cells. Both of these cancers produce high levels of free radicals that can be suppressed by feeding the mice supplements of antioxidants, either vitamin C or N-acetylcysteine (NAC).

However, when the Hopkins team examined cancer cells from cancer-implanted mice not fed the antioxidants, they noticed the absence of any significant DNA damage. "Clearly, if DNA damage was not in play as a cause of the cancer, then whatever the antioxidants were doing to help was also not related to DNA damage," says Ping Gao, Ph.D, lead author of the paper.

That conclusion led Gao and Dang to suspect that some other mechanism was involved, such as a protein known to be dependent on free radicals called HIF-1 (hypoxia-induced factor), which was discovered over a decade ago by Hopkins researcher and co-author Gregg Semenza, M.D., Ph.D., director of the Program in Vascular Cell Engineering. Indeed, they found that while this protein was abundant in untreated cancer cells taken from the mice, it disappeared in vitamin C-treated cells taken from similar animals.

"When a cell lacks oxygen, HIF-1 helps it compensate," explains Dang. "HIF-1 helps an oxygen-starved cell convert sugar to energy without using oxygen and also initiates the construction of new blood vessels to bring in a fresh oxygen supply."

Some rapidly growing tumors consume enough energy to easily suck out the available oxygen in their vicinity, making HIF-1 absolutely critical for their continued survival. But HIF-1 can only operate if it has a supply of free radicals. Antioxidants remove these free radicals and stop HIF-1, and the tumor, in its tracks.

The authors confirmed the importance of this "hypoxia protein" by creating cancer cells with a genetic variant of HIF-1 that did not require free radicals to be stable. In these cells, antioxidants no longer had any cancer-fighting power.

The research was funded by the National Institutes of Health.

Authors on the paper are Dean Felsher of Stanford; and Gao, Huafeng Zhang, Ramani Dinavahi, Feng Li, Yan Xiang, Venu Raman, Zaver Bhujwalla, Linzhao Cheng, Jonathan Pevsner, Linda Lee, Gregg Semenza and Dang of Johns Hopkins. " so we learn a bit more about how vitamin C helps our body fight cancer God Bless

Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008

 

On 6/12/2008 Arnold wrote:

Yes - Like Chemo,radiation, etc.  Vitamins are important but will not kill cancer cells.

 

I prefer to take my chances with natural methods of fighting cancer.  I am lucky to have Early Stage 1a breast cancer and asked the Doc to have the Oncotype DX test done.  With early stage cancer, the odds are that I have a 30% chance of reoccurance.  The results of the Oncotype test showed an 11% chance of reoccurance.  The Doctor said this score is based on using an aromatase inhibitor drug, Arimidex or  Tamoxifin. I have not decided to take any drugs or radiation because I have little confidence in the big pharmaceutical/political wheel.  I do not choose to be a guinea pig either. 

I have arthritis, Fibromyalgia and MS.  Do I need to hurt my body any more than that?   The doctor recommended standard of treatment will add to my misery and so I will leave them to whoever can tolerate them.  I know Doctors do the best they can but remember --- they treat symptoms, not causes.

Doctors.... start figuring out the base-line cause of diseases, then you will have something.

 

 

Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008
Hi rota10 There are some members on this board who, without having any personal knowledge of alternative therapies for cancer, make a point of routinely denouncing them. Intravenous Vitamin C has been PROVEN effective for a variety of cancers. I do know this from personal experience and I also know a good number of others who have had success as well. Some even considered terminal by their traditional doctors. This treatment is gentle and harmless other than for folks who might have had a problem in the past with kidney stones and so it is beyond my comprehension why anyone would try to dissuade another patient from trying what could be a lifesaving treatment simply because they have a bias against anything other than the traditional treatment that seems to have helped them. The sad fact is the recurrence rate for all cancers treated with chemo and radiation is very high. You are so right when you say that traditional doctors treat the symptoms and not the cause. That is what they were trained to do. Alternative practitioners are taught to look for the cause and correct the imbalances they find that allow the diseases to take hold. Still, I would suggest no one take anyone else's word for treatment. One needs to believe strongly in the choices they make and there is lots of information out there that can help with that. Here are just a few links with information re Int.VitC which I hope are helpful..... http://www.medpagetoday.com/HematologyOncology/OtherCancers/ http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/30584.php http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/cancer/vitamins/vitc.htm http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v01n09.shtml Your problems with arthritis, Fibromyalgia and MS could all be related to a compromised immune system as the cancer may well be too. Testing by a Naturopath could discover it that is the case. If you should decide to go the traditional route for the breast cancer then I would suggest you do some research on Avemar. Here is a link from this board with some positive information on it......http://www.cancercompass.com/cancer-news/1,12705,00.htm

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On 6/12/2008 Arnold wrote:

Yes - Like Chemo,radiation, etc.  Vitamins are important but will not kill cancer cells.

 

I prefer to take my chances with natural methods of fighting cancer.  I am lucky to have Early Stage 1a breast cancer and asked the Doc to have the Oncotype DX test done.  With early stage cancer, the odds are that I have a 30% chance of reoccurance.  The results of the Oncotype test showed an 11% chance of reoccurance.  The Doctor said this score is based on using an aromatase inhibitor drug, Arimidex or  Tamoxifin. I have not decided to take any drugs or radiation because I have little confidence in the big pharmaceutical/political wheel.  I do not choose to be a guinea pig either. 

I have arthritis, Fibromyalgia and MS.  Do I need to hurt my body any more than that?   The doctor recommended standard of treatment will add to my misery and so I will leave them to whoever can tolerate them.  I know Doctors do the best they can but remember --- they treat symptoms, not causes.

Doctors.... start figuring out the base-line cause of diseases, then you will have something.

 

 


Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008
Yes - I am one of those people who have been saved by the Traditional Protocol, Chemo - radiation, etc.  The alternative followers have no data on the success or failure of the alternative approach.  They only have incidental data based on personal experience or provided by individuals or campanies who make large profits selling the products that they want you to buy.  Would some of the products that are included work in combination with the traditional approach.  Yes. I speak from personal experience tapping into both.  Be very carefull here.  If you use the alternative protocol make sure you get periodic tests, PET Scan CT Scan, CEA testing, etc.  To use the alternative without tests and without Chemo and Radiation could place you in a serious position.  Big PHARMA and Radiation saved my life and I roundly denounce those who would suggest that you cannot trust or utilize the traditional protocols as the basic plan to kill tumors and cancer cells.
Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008
Also, my decisions are not based on a so called belief system other than my personal religious beliefs.  This is about provable FACTS based on the representative sampling data that has been provided by BIG CHEMO.through trials.  The disdain for the companies that provided me with the products that have saved my is unwarranted and misleading
Subject: RE: alternative treatment -- Vitamin C
Date: 06/12/2008

Again _ Shemay - Please focus on what I am saying.  I have researched the alternative approach and I do not understand why you continue to insist that it will cure cancer on it"s own.  The sites you recommend do not make that claim.  I have stated many tines that a combination is the best approach. I have used it.  It has helped.  If you would state that there is clearly no research that has been done that proves your point of alternative protocal resulting in a complete cure of cancer, that would suffice  And, also state that a combination is the best possible.  That is what the tests have shown on Avea.and many other alternatives..

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