Small trial suggests the scans might help, but experts aren't so sure
by shilpa on Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:00 AM
my mom is stage 4 lung cancer patient i just wanted to know that anyone who had tried natural food which has reduced the size of tumors.since now her cancer is stable but not reduced nor increased so i want to try anything that can reduce the size of tumor which had formed on 11th rib.
by Brenwkc on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM
On 7/9/2008 shilpa wrote:hi , my mom is stage 4 lung cancer patient i just wanted to know that anyone who had tried natural food which has reduced the size of tumors.since now her cancer is stable but not reduced nor increased so i want to try anything that can reduce the size of tumor which had formed on 11th rib.thanks gouri
My Dad was recently diagnosed with lung cancer, stage 3. He has squamous cell which is a slower growing tumour. He has just started chemo and is responding well. I don't know if you would try this but there is PROPOLIS which I've heard can help. My brother bought pure propolis from Malaysia which cost us about £50 for a very small vial, and my Dad takes a few drops in water. My Dad has no symptons from the chemo, he has more energy and is like an energising bunny, he is 76.
I've had breast cancer myself 5 years ago, so I know what u mean about finding natural foods to eradicate cancer. I was told that people with cancer shouldn't eat chicken, duck or any kind of poultry due to the protein which helps cell growth. I gave up chicken for 4 years but have started to eat it again in moderation.
I hope this helps your querie in question..
by trehouse60 on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM
Despite what medical doctors may say, there is a whole host of natural foods, as well as herbs and supplements, that will reduce tumor size, inhibit cancer cell growth, kill cancer cells, and help keep it from coming back.
The suggestion about propolis is a good start. You can get propolis from just about any natural foods store or herb shop, or you can buy it online. I don't know that it is all as pure as these folks are getting, but it may be less expensive.
If you all can afford it, I would recommend that you have your mom eat or supplement with a variety of foods, herbs, etc. There may be just a few that she wants to focus on intently, but carefully choosing a selection to round out a regimen will allow her to draw upon a whole arsenal of natural cancer fighters rather than putting all her hopes on one or two things. Unfortunately insurance does not cover the cost of natural foods, herbs and supplements - that's why I stress choosing carefully. There are a lot of ways to find good stuff, but there are also a few quacks in the world who just want to make money, so make sure to verify from more than one source that a food or supplement is known to help cancer.
At the end of this message I will list the things that I eat and take, to give you an idea of things you might want to check out, but keep in mind, I have designed the regimen I use specifically to fight metastatic breast cancer (which I am doing successfully) - there might be better choices for lung cancer. I got my information from researching the internet, personal experience as an RN, and some excellent reference books. You could use search items such as alternative herbal therapy for lung cancer and complementary alternative therapy for lung cancer - that would get you started. If you have access to a good book store like Barnes and Noble, or a larger public library, look for the book "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis Balch. The book is expensive, so I recommend you take a pen and paper and take notes rather than planning on buying the book. Another somewhat controversial but excellent resource is Ty Bollinger's book, "Cancer: Step Out of the Box." Ty goes into depth about how the pharmaceutical and medical industries may be benefitting big time by not using known cures - that really puts some people off. I am not recommending the book to push those views, but rather it is the most comprehensive single source I've found on alternative - including nutritional - therapies. If you aren't interested in reading what he has to say about traditional treatment, just look in the table of contents and skip to the chapters that address alternative therapies. Ty's book is available from his website:
If you cannot afford the book, email Ty: firstname.lastname@example.org
Explain the situation to him and ask him to send you a free download of his book in a PDF file. (That's how I got my copy.)
The other thing you can do is check locally with people who can talk to you specifically about your mom's situation and make recommendations: a certified naturopath or nutritionist, an herbalist of good repute, maybe even someone who practices traditional chinese medicine. Just make sure you are going to someone who is certified and/or has a good reputation in the community. You might be able to get a referral from your doctor for a naturopath or nutritionist - stress to the doc that you are not seeking a replacement for current therapy, but rather that you want to do everything possible to optimize mom's health, and that includes nutrition. Some local authorities on cancer-fighting foods will give advice for free. Even if you have to pay for a consult, if you can afford it, it is well-worth the cost, especially if it helps avoid foods and supplements that could cause problems.
Ok, that's all the advice I have. Here is what I am taking - again, please keep in mind that I know my personal history and what I should or should not eat/take, and these choices were picked to specifically aim at breast cancer, but there are a lot of things I take that could help your mom, if you make sure to check them out first:
grape seed extract, conjugated linoleic acid and 3-4 ounces of red wine a day - based on a research protocol that is getting good results
garlic, aspirin (just one 325mg tab/day), a good multiple vitamin with minerals, bilberry extract, vit E - one per day in addition to multi-vit, selenium, tart cherry extract, kelp for the iodine, papaya extract, bromelain, and wheat grass. I also drink at least 10 - 20 ounces of decaf green tea every day, and drink plenty of pure (steam-distilled) water to promote detoxification of cells.
I have also switched to a vegetarian diet - using limited amounts of organic/hormone - free dairy and totally organic farm fresh eggs from range-fed chickens - although I try to prepare and eat vegan (no dairy or eggs) meals whenever possible. I buy organic foods as much as possible/as I can afford, and I try to eat as much organic fresh, raw fruit and vegetables as I can. I also try to plan meals using as much whole grains as possible - I make my own whole grain bread, I make my own brown rice milk for use in baking and cooking. I absolutely avoid aspartame, carbonated beverages and any food processed with hydrogenated fats.
Again, I cannot stress enough - this is helping me (on PET scan my nodules are very stable and perhaps smaller, with reduced uptake activity, and my blood work is just fantastic), but don't recommend anything to your mom just because it is on my list. There's lots of stuff that ISN"T on my list that could also help her. When you find or hear of something that looks good, Check it out - make sure she can safely eat or take it in light of any other medical problems she may have, and check with her doctor to make sure whatever you all decide upon isn't going to interact badly with any medications she is taking.
I hope this helps. Remember to take good care of yourself, and tell your other family members to do the same. Your mom needs you all to be well if you are to be of help to her.
Good luck, and my best wishes to your mom.
P.S. I forgot one very important, and delicious, food: dark chocolate.
various sources recommend as much as 1 - 2 oz per day of dark chocolate with at least 70% cacao content. The dark chocolate candy bars commonly found in grocery and department stores don't quite cut it, and may contain harmful ingredients that would cancel the benefit of the chocolate, and baker's chocolate that would have that much cacao can be very bitter, so it really needs to be a high quality organic chocolate bar meant for eating rather than cooking. I found a variety of organic dark chocolate bars with 70% or higher cacao at my local health food store. Unfortunately, I can't afford to buy enough to eat 1 - 2 oz a day, but I do buy one bar per week or so, and every evening for dessert I eat probably a 1/3 to 1/2 oz piece.
Sometimes I think this is an extravagance, and I question that I am actually eating enough to get the benefit, but the data I've seen on the effectiveness of dark chocolate in fighting cancer is pretty impressive, and with the war I am waging, a little pampering is good for my spirits!
Vive la chocolate!
by Stage4insk on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM
I am a stage 4 colon cancer warrior and am currently in remission. I originally received chemo and avastin for the mets to my liver. On my own, I have devised a nutrition supplement protocol to fight my cancer.
The protocol is based on ny research on the web as well as discussions with others on various forums. I am a strong believer in nutrition and supplements as a form to combat the cancer. My initial thinking was that "what the heck it can't hurt" - they are only giving me 1 year to live anyway. That has changed to "it is absolutely critical".
Soe of the latest cancer researchr is aimed towards immunotherapy to fight cancer. Based on that I believe that nutrition and supplements are "items of access" or things that we can do on our own to aid our body in the fight. That said here's my protocol. I am not a doctor - this is just what I have developed based on my research and thoughts- based specifically for colon cancer. Every diet might be different based on the type of cancer.
Exercise - cardiovascular (everyday moderate to strenous),
Diet - Cruciferous vegetables - brocolli everyday, vegeterian diet if you can , purple / red berries such as raspberries, blackberries, strawberries, blueberries, pomegranites, black grapes. (these guys contain lots of good cancer fight stuff - such as either ellgagic acid, resveratrol or polyphenols that fight cancer). If you must eat meat - salmon is a good bet (lots of omega-3). Shitake mushrooms - yumm !!! Apples / onions contain quercetin.
I avoid sugar because it is my belief that sugar fuels cancer cells.
Supplements - curcumin, resveratrol and / or grape seed extract, pomegranite extract (ellagic acid), quercetin (especially in conjuction with curcumin), green tea extract (or lots of the beverage itself), Ibuprofren (or some type of NSAID), COQ-10, vitamin D ( lots of recent research on this), wheat germ extract, mushroom extract ( boosts the immune system) . Also flax seed oil and cottage cheese ( google "budwig")
I personally avoid chocolate because of the sugar factor, and although I love my red wine - I try to avoid all alcohol (not always succesful). The health benefits of red wine is from the resveratrol and you get more of this in extracts that you could ever get by drinking the stuff. The destructive nature of alcohol outweighs the benefit of the good stuff in the rest of the glass.
De-stress: - do yoga, qi-gong
There is lots that we can personally do from a nutrition / health perspective to fight cancer. I believe that in my case that poor nutriition / health caused the problem in the first place so why wouldn't the oppoisite fight it.
Hope this helps
by Corey_Mae on Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:00 AM
My husband has stage four squamous lung cell cancer, diagnosed at
the end of May. After a lot of research the book that I like the most
is called "How to Prevent and Treat Cancer with Natural Medicine" by
Dr. Michael Murray and several other drs. It is endorsed by the Cancer
Treatment Centers of American and is extremely helpful. This book
advocates natural medicine along with conventional medicine, and tells
you what helps with each different cancer. Please get it and read it,
you will feel enabled by the positive results people fighting cancer
have gotten from healthy diets and nutrition. Good luck to you, we
are in this together.
by GeorgeUhle on Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:00 AM
On 7/11/2008 trehouse60 wrote:P.S. I forgot one very important, and delicious, food: dark chocolate. various sources recommend as much as 1 - 2 oz per day of dark chocolate with at least 70% cacao content. The dark chocolate candy bars commonly found in grocery and department stores don't quite cut it, and may contain harmful ingredients that would cancel the benefit of the chocolate, and baker's chocolate that would have that much cacao can be very bitter, so it really needs to be a high quality organic chocolate bar meant for eating rather than cooking. I found a variety of organic dark chocolate bars with 70% or higher cacao at my local health food store. Unfortunately, I can't afford to buy enough to eat 1 - 2 oz a day, but I do buy one bar per week or so, and every evening for dessert I eat probably a 1/3 to 1/2 oz piece. Sometimes I think this is an extravagance, and I question that I am actually eating enough to get the benefit, but the data I've seen on the effectiveness of dark chocolate in fighting cancer is pretty impressive, and with the war I am waging, a little pampering is good for my spirits!Vive la chocolate! Sincerely, Tre
Dear Tre -- Scientific evidence supports the notion that omega 3 fatty acids that come from certain fish can be of significant help in reversing cancer. (I provided a list at the end of this post with name of fish and its gram value of omega. Makerel is at the top of the list.)
As a practical matter, you would need to consume between five and eight grams per day to achieve the intake required. By way of example, the Inuit Eskimos of Greenland have a diet of fatty fish through which they consume seven to ten grams of omega 3 essential fatty acids per day. These eskimos have no incidence of cancer nor any heart disease. Their ability to avoid chronic disease comes from their dietary practices. I should mention that their diet is low to moderate in terms of carbohydrate intake, and is also high in vitamin D.
If you committed yourself to eating two six oz. serving of mackeral per day, you would intake around five grams of omega 3. I eat salmon two or three times per week. However, in dealing with my pancreatic cancer, I found the most effective remedy was to purchase pharmaceutical grade fish oils. I have been doing this for more than three months, and my cancer cell count is declining. I have plenty of energy, I gained muscle mass, and I am doing exceptionally well. My tumor was inoperable, so I needed to find a biochemical solution, and the high levels of omega 3 have worked. The scientific basis is presented in the Omega Rx book that Dr. Barry Sears wrote several years ago. (Sears is a scientist and a well known author and expert on health and overcoming chronic disease through diet and fish oils.)
I should warn you that a great many fish oil products that are sold even in the best health food stores are not very good. Because my life was at stake, I chose to use the Zone Labs products that Sears produces. I had previously been using another product that was from an excellent company, but that did not do the job.
So if you want to rely on a combination of food and supplements, eat six ounces of mackerel every day, and then use a high quality pharmaceutical grade fish oil supplement to intake another three to five grams of omega 3 fatty acids. If your experience is similar to mine and to that of many others, you will find yourself winning against cancer.
Beyond the fish oils, the scientific research overwhelmingly support having sufficient levels of vitamin D. With the exception of fatty fish, vitamin D is not easily obtained through diet. However, you can acquire the vitamin D you need by spending 20 minutes a day in the summer sun without sunscreens. If you wear short sleeves and short pants, you will be exposing enough skin to collect the vitamin D you need at no cost. This approach to collecting vitamin D works best in the summer. In the spring and the fall, you would need to spend two to three times as long in the sun, because the earth's atmosphere acts as a partial sunscreen in the spring and fall. In the winter, unless you are in the southernmost parts of the US (lattitudinally south of Atlanta), the earth's atmosphere will block all or most of the sun's vitamin D. So at least in the winter, you will need to rely on supplements. The Vitamin D Council provides a great deal of useful information. The Council's website is www.vitaminDcouncil.org, One of the researchers did an analysis of different studies and determined that the level of supplementation should be 1,000 iu per 30 lbs. of weight per day. By way of example, I weigh 150 lbs, so I need 5,000 units per day.
by trehouse60 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:00 AM
Dear George,I am vegetarian, so I don't eat fish, or consume any fish by-products. I also am extremely concerned about the continued recommendation of fish as food and fish oil supplements for fighting cancer because I think they are becoming a very dangerous choice. Our oceans are extremely polluted - much of the fish and seafood from the worlds' salt waters are toxic for human consumption. Mercury taken internally is not a human's friend, and probably is at least contributory to many, many of the diseases and conditions that have become pandemic in the last 50 years, including cancer. Most of the earth's fresh water is polluted, also, especially with microscopic particles of pharmaceuticals that the medical industry has been pushing at us for decades. Most farmed fish are being fed hormones and other chemicals that are toxic for human consumption. I eat dark chocolate because it can be a powerful cancer fighter. Two tablespoons of natural cocoa have more antioxidant capacity (polyphenols) than four cups of green tea, 1 cup of blueberries and one and half glasses of red wine. In short-term clinical trials, dark chocolate has reduced blood pressure, improved blood flow, showed mild anti-clotting effects and may help prevent plaque formation in arteries. Despite its sweet reputation, dark chocolate has a low glycemic index similar to that of oatmeal — meaning it does not send your blood sugar spiking.Like any plant-based food, chocolate naturally contains an array of minerals. It has a powerful calming effect due to its action on neurotransmitters. Plus I like it - it tastes a whole lot better than any of the herbs and supplements I am taking.http://www.allchocolate.com (This is not the only resource that supports what I have just said - it is just my preferred site.)
Yes, I do believe that fatty acids are important in the fight against cancer: not only omega 3's, but also 6's, and 9's. I have found a simple, tasty and inexpensive natural food source: One handful (less than 1/4 cup) of roasted pumpkin seeds per day provides all the essential fatty acids an adult needs, plus 14g vegetable protein. Organic green pumpkin seeds are very easy to roast, with or without spices. when stored in a dark cool place they keep for a long time without going rancid. If a person wanted to mega-dose on the omega's, I have found no documented contra-indication to eating more than a handful of seeds per day.I have seen clinical data on roasted squash seeds also - they don't stack up quite as high on the nutrient list as pumpkin seeds, but pretty close. Some of the other seeds used as food are also pretty good.
I agree, Vitamin D is also a powerful weapon in the anti-cancer arsenal. If I didn't mention it in my FIRST post to the original message, I should have. There are a few natural food-based sources of vit D for vegetarians, vegans, with mushrooms exposed to UV light topping the list. However, many vegetarians and vegans are actually in a better position to utilize vitamin D , because by virtue of their diets they have a much higher dietary intake of the ancillary vitamins and minerals our body needs to use vitamin D once it's been ingested or synthesized. Any one taking mega-doses of vitamin D needs to some research and make sure they are also taking enough vitamin C, calcium, etc to ensure that the vitamin D will actually do some good.
by shilpa on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM
Hi, sorry it took some time to reply u but iam very greatfull that u provided very good information to me even i had collected some of the internet information & made her diet plan so that her body should be in alkaline state till then her cancer is stable since 8 months but not reduced that is what worrying me .
thanks alot for ur concern towards me & my family i pray god for ur recovery
by trehouse60 on Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:00 AM
On 7/15/2008 shilpa wrote:Hi, sorry it took some time to reply u but iam very greatfull that u provided very good information to me even i had collected some of the internet information & made her diet plan so that her body should be in alkaline state till then her cancer is stable since 8 months but not reduced that is what worrying me .thanks alot for ur concern towards me & my family i pray god for ur recoverygouri
Don't despair. Even though her tumor hasn't reduced, it's possible her cancer is not just stable but has been partially or even totally eradicated.
Tumors are a mass of normal cells that surround a core of cancer cells. When cancer cells begin to collect together and grow, the body sends blood rich with stuff from the immune system to the cells surrounding the cancer to attack it. If these normal cells are unable to kill the cancer, they will totally surround the cancer and wall themselves and the cancer off from the surrounding tissues, resulting in a "tumor."
If chemo or radiation are used successfully, a tumor may reduce in size or disappear totally because the chemo and raditation don't just kill the cancer cells at the center of the tumor, they also kill the normal cells that make up the outer layers of the tumor.
If natural therapy, including nutrition, has been used successfully to treat cancer, only the core of the tumor is killed, while the normal cells surrounding it remain alive. Therefore the tumor may shrink a little because the dead cancer cells will be absorbed into the blood stream and removed from the body, but it's quite possible that the tumor will never go away, yet it is still cancer free. (Possibly with time the outer wall of a tumor that is cancer free could dissolve and the cells once again become a part of the surrounding tissues, but I personally don't know whether this actually happens. I think the type of natural therapy would be the determining factor - the idea is definitely something I will further research.)
So, if a tumor remains but is cancer-free, it may not show up on x-ray, ultrasound, and scans alone. If a PET scan is done, decreased uptake, or no uptake of the glucose by the tumor would indicate that the cancer is either in remission or totally gone. Blood work can also be used to make this determination - if cancer markers were done before and during medical treatment, a decrease in those values indicates successful treatment. If the markers return to normal after natural therapy, I say this would be a pretty good indication the cancer is gone.
Many - in fact probably most - medical doctors are extremely loath to credit natural therapy with the eradication of cancer. At best, they are likely to say the cancer is "stable," and should continue to be monitored periodically. They may even say that test results are inconclusive, so that it can't be determined that there is cancer; they may even go so far as to say that it wasn't proven to be cancer in the first place.
So, again I say, "Don't despair." Your loved one may be much better than just "stable," but the only thing that will prove it for sure is time. It might be a good idea to continue with the alkalinizing diet, whatever you have her eating, for the rest of her life. If she's taking huge quantities of particular things for that purpose, she could probably safely cut back, but not stop altogether. If she continues to remain symptom free, rejoice!
I hope I have explained this so it makes sense. IF not, let me know, and I'll take a look at my references and try again.
Thank you for letting me know you are doing well. Right now I'm doing pretty well myself!!
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