alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

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alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by cubsrn on Sun Aug 03, 2008 12:00 AM

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Does anyone have suggestions/things that have worked, in helping bile duct cancer? My mother in law is not too keen on alternative medicine, but im trying to sway her opinion. any ideas??

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Lewis on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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My wife was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma back in April, since then we feel the medical world has written her off so went after alternative remedies. We attended a retreat in Australia where the founder had survived a most deadly version of cancer along with two others on record at the same place having a cure. This may not be a cure for all cancers and people but is certainly the path we are following and giving it our best, if there is to be a further cure from following this route or plan, then why not us. My wife is doing very well currently and has a real positive attitude that she's not the ill one.

http://www.gawler.org/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=2 for suggestions and food ideas, it worked for them, why not us. This is at least one alternative and we are enjoying what we see and I am loving the fact that this and positive thinking are giving us a good time to look ahead to for what ever time there is. 

 

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Shemay on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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Good morning Lewis I wish your wife much success with her choice of alternative protocols. You are so right about the positive energy that one encounters when dealing with alternative healthcare givers. At the wellness clinic I go to here in Canada the chelation room where the Intravenous Vitamin C treatments are given is a hub of activity with chatting and positive interaction between patients sharing their experiences and outcomes. There have been some amazing "cures" there some even with patients that were considered terminal by their traditional doctors. Of course sadly not everyone survives but I can say with certainty from all I have seen there, that through the diet, supplements, treatments and very positive attitudes, there was a huge improvement in the quality of life for most which enabled them to live with dignity and feelings of well being until their passing. Blessings to you both and please keep us posted.

On 8/21/2008 Lewis wrote:

My wife was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma back in April, since then we feel the medical world has written her off so went after alternative remedies. We attended a retreat in Australia where the founder had survived a most deadly version of cancer along with two others on record at the same place having a cure. This may not be a cure for all cancers and people but is certainly the path we are following and giving it our best, if there is to be a further cure from following this route or plan, then why not us. My wife is doing very well currently and has a real positive attitude that she's not the ill one.

http://www.gawler.org/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=2 39&nav_cat_id=237&nav_top_id=84" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.gawler.org/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=2 " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.gawler.org/html/s02_article/article_view.asp?id=2 for suggestions and food ideas, it worked for them, why not us. This is at least one alternative and we are enjoying what we see and I am loving the fact that this and positive thinking are giving us a good time to look ahead to for what ever time there is. 

 


RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Arnold on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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On 8/21/2008 Shemay wrote:

Good morning Lewis I wish your wife much success with her choice of alternative protocols. You are so right about the positive energy that one encounters when dealing with alternative healthcare givers. At the wellness clinic I go to here in Canada the chelation room where the Intravenous Vitamin C treatments are given is a hub of activity with chatting and positive interaction between patients sharing their experiences and outcomes. There have been some amazing "cures" there some even with patients that were considered terminal by their traditional doctors. Of course sadly not everyone survives but I can say with certainty from all I have seen there, that through the diet, supplements, treatments and very positive attitudes, there was a huge improvement in the quality of life for most which enabled them to live with dignity and feelings of well being until their passing. Blessings to you both and please keep us posted.

 

On 8/21/2008 Lewis wrote:

My wife was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma back in April, since then we feel the medical world has written her off so went after alternative remedies. We attended a retreat in Australia where the founder had survived a most deadly version of cancer along with two others on record at the same place having a cure. This may not be a cure for all cancers and people but is certainly the path we are following and giving it our best, if there is to be a further cure from following this route or plan, then why not us. My wife is doing very well currently and has a real positive attitude that she's not the ill one.

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For the edification of all of us, could you please list those amazing cures especialy those who were considered terminal.  Type of cancer, traditional treatment that failed and what specific alternative treatments were used.  This is a VERY important part of your report as it is in any report of success.  Another key would be the stage of the particular cancer when alternatives were used.

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Arnold on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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Sorry - In addition the name and location of the clinic and can patients from other countries come there?  For my purposes, I am interested in all data but information on success with colon cancer could potentialy help me.  I would prefer a public reply rather that a private one so that all can bebnefit.  Sounds like it could be a breakthrough! 

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Shemay on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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Hello Arnold I have posted all of this information on the board many times but am certainly willing to do so again because I know the information can be helpful and bring hope to others. This has always been my goal. Starting with my own situation, I cannot honestly prove that I am "cured" if you would rely only on CT scans or Xrays to be proof of that. When I was in hospital for the three week period in 2004 I had Xrays almost every day and CT scans every other day. From all the research I have done I learned there can be cumulative damage done by the radiation from these tests and so I made the decision to not compromise my health further by using these methods. I am confident that the results of blood work, ultra sound, my lack of any symptoms and strong and healthy state are proof enough that cancer certainly has not advanced and is at least in remission. _______________________________________________________________ Although I have heard of many success stories of patients conquering their diseases using alternative protocols, I will only mention the ones here that I know personally to be true. First I'll fill you in a bit here on my own experience. In April 2004 I was treated for what my doctor thought was pneumonia. After a month on antibiotics my condition worsened and I was taken to hospital by ambulance gravely ill. Xrays and scans showed a huge tumour(approx 10cmx10cm) in my chest cavity had caused an infection in the right lung and the collapse of the center lobe of that lung. The whole lung was entrapped and surgery was needed to clear away the infection and un entrap the lung. At the time of surgery an enlarged lymph node was noted on my heart and needle biopsied. This is where the Marginal zone B cell non Hodgkin's lymphoma diagnosis came from. The large tumour was inoperable and later scans showed smaller tumours in both lungs inoperable as well. The oncologist I was referred to told me I would need CVP/CHOP a very strong chemo in order to "perhaps" save myself but previous experiences with family members and friends had already convinced me that chemo and radiation were treatments I could not feel confident taking and so I began on an alternative path. _______________________________________________________________ My son's accountant/friend has survived cancer twice in his life using alternative medicine. Once when he was thirteen and had a brain tumor. After surgery his doctors told his parents that the cancer was deeply imbedded in the brain and there was no hope to save their boy. They were of Mennonite background and believed strongly in natural healing and so they took Dale to a naturopath, followed his directions as to diet, supplements etc. and Dale lived cancer free for another 25 years before cancer struck again. This time it developed in his stomach. The oncologist he was referred to told him he would be dead within three months if he did not have chemotherapy but he again turned to natural healing and it is now more than six years later and he remains cancer free. He has devoted his life to counseling the newly diagnosed and grows organically and personally harvests the four herbs needed to make Essiac tea. He then brews the tea, bottles it and gives it away free of charge to anyone within driving distance of picking it up. When he learned of my diagnosis he immediately offered the tea and counseled me about options of treatment and directed me to the most reputable clinics that offered the treatments and services I would need. I began working with a naturopath and then because of some of the archaic laws in this country which allow naturopaths to draw blood but prevent them from sending it to labs for testing, I added in a medical doctor who also strongly believes in and practices alternative medicine specializing in cancers. It was at this medical doctor's clinic that I began taking Intravenous Vitamin C treatments. _______________________________________________________________ It was also here that I met a patient who was terminal with prostate cancer and we became friends. Early in 2007 I asked him for permission to post his experience and he sent me the following message, asking me to edit it before posting it. This is the first time I have posted the original. Following it is the edited version which I have posted many times on the prostate cancer board.   “I have never seen a body so full of cancer as yours, yet you are not complaining of any pain . . . despite you are not taking any medication.”  These words were uttered to me by high profile oncologist after reviewing my various scans: bone, CT, xray and brochoscopy.  In fact, last December 2006, my wife was told that it is highly doubtful that I would live to Christmas (Tomorrow is Easter Sunday)   My PSA reading was 4460 and the cancer had covered both lungs, all my bones from my thighs to my skull (inclusive) and as  well my lymphatic system.  When the news of my dilemma spread I received calls and letters from friends and strangers recommending  a variety of drugs, vitamins, clinics  and doctors. Visits to oncologists at a cancer centre resulted in a prognosis that was anything but encouraging; but when one’s life is hanging in the balance, I was willing to grasp at any straw.   Steroids were prescribed as well as pain killers following my visits to clinics availing alternative solutions.  Eventually a lupron injection along with my regular visits to naturpathic  and homeopathic establishments seemed to ease my breathing difficulties. At one of these alternative offices I have been receiving Vitamin C/lipoic acid intravenously and 714X; today, three months later, my PSA reading was 1.1.   Far be it for me to single out the Vitamin C as the only antidote to my  condition; likewise it is equal folly to suggest that the Lupron injection and the steroids single handedly did the trick.  (It should be noted that my condition slowly began to improve after my visits to the alternative clinic, but before my visit to the hospital.)   Throughout my life I’ve had a variety of surgeries because of  accidents on and off the football field, and can unequivocally state that the medical professionals have delivered the utmost in integrity and energy on my behalf; but many of them were willing to admit to not having that magic wand.   I am not saying that the solution to cancer lies solely within the realm of holistic medicine; however,  the growing cancer epidemic belies the notion that the sole solution is that of the traditional practices.  It would be  hypocrisy for either discipline to seek the credit.   My question to the pharmaceutical companies is this:   If  it requires hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce a drug that would eliminate cancer, would it not be anathema to your business to do so?   My question to traditional medicine is this:   If the spread of cancer is ramping up, why are you looking outside your “9 dots” as adjuncts to what you believe is fact.   Throughout my investigations one factor is common to all the disciplines:  Confidence, and my positive outlook rested solely on the omnipresence of the Holy Spirit.  This. to me, is the most important factor. _______________________________________________________________ This is the edited version(read and approved) with information added from personal conversations that I had with my friend. (It is now almost 20 months later and all scans and tests still show no evidence of disease.) I am posting this story because it truly appears to be a miraculous result of a few weeks of non traditional treatments for terminal prostate cancer, a shift in intention and/or perhaps even Divine Intervention. A friend of mine was told in early December 2006 by oncologists that he would not survive to see Christmas. His wife who is a nurse, saw all of his scans and tests and understood she could soon be arranging for palliative care and making funeral arrangements. His cancer had spread throughout his body into most organs and bones and his lungs were so full he could hardly draw a breath. He was given steroids for pain control. After a few days of despair he decided to go ice fishing which is one of his great passions and something happened to change his mind set and he decided to fight. He made arrangements to take natural treatments at a complementary medical clinic nearby. He had about 12 weeks of weekly Intravenous Vitamin C/ Lipoic Acid infusions along with a 21 day course of daily injections of 714X. He did take one injection of Lupron at the beginning of these treatments. Today he has no symptoms of dis ease. He feels strong and healthy, takes no pain meds, has resumed all daily activities and his scans reflect this amazing change in his health. The oncologists who did his scans for him told him he should just keep up what he is doing. My understanding is that there are no side effects to these treatments other than a possible one to the high dose Vit.C if one has had a previous problem with kidney stones. I hope this message is helpful and hopeful to others and if anyone would like more information please feel free to contact me. _______________________________________________________________ This last experience involves a young mother in her twenties with two small children who presented at the clinic with a brain tumour. I am sorry I do not know her exact diagnosis. I do know her story from talking for many weeks with her while she and I both took the vit. c /???? infusions. She had undergone surgery, radiation and chemotherapy and when she presented about four years ago she was considered terminal. She was in a wheelchair, unable to speak or care for herself in any way. By the time I met her she had already had about two years of treatment at the alternative clinic and other than a problem with her short term memory she was functioning quite normally. She was living life quite fully, weekend camping trips with her hubby and little ones etc. Very excited and confident that she had beaten her cancer. I had not seen her for months since I now only take my infusions as maintenance ever six weeks or so and since I was planning on answering this post tonight I asked at the clinic as to her condition. It saddens me to say that her success only lasted a few months past the four year point. She ceased treatment in early spring and passed in summer. ______________________________________________________________ God Bless

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Shemay on Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:00 AM

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On 8/21/2008 Arnold wrote:

Sorry - In addition the name and location of the clinic and can patients from other countries come there?  For my purposes, I am interested in all data but information on success with colon cancer could potentialy help me.  I would prefer a public reply rather that a private one so that all can bebnefit.  Sounds like it could be a breakthrough! 

I'm not sure who this inquiry was directed at but here is what I can tell you about the clinic I go to. It is very small, there are thirteen recliners in the chelation room....there is a very long waiting list with cancer patients given priority. There is one medical doctor two nurses and a receptionist all dedicated to the field of alternative healing. Because of the bias against natural medicine in this area it has been impossible to find another medical doctor willing to face the censure of their peers to assist in this burgeoning practice, Thankfully a naturopath has come on staff recently to assist with some of the overload allowing this wonderful doctor to take a breath. I am sorry I can't give you more definitive information without permission but in the past this doctor has given recommendations to other similar facilities in other areas across North America. Regards

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Arnold on Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:00 AM

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I rely on PET scans, CT scans, a good diet, feeling great and doing 20 miles a day on a stationary bike every day. as personal proof of my recovery  I am 72 and feel like 32!!.  I would still like the data on the cures at your clinic in Canada including the name and location of the clinic. I live in the Cleveland , Ohio area and would like to visit for future reference.  Although the data you provided on the cases you are familiar with, including yours, is impressive it falls far short of any "proof" sufficient for me and many thousands of others.  I am following the Vitamin C protocol and it's progress and look forward to future reports from trials that are underway.

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Arnold on Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:00 AM

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On 8/21/2008 Shemay wrote:

 

On 8/21/2008 Arnold wrote:

Sorry - In addition the name and location of the clinic and can patients from other countries come there?  For my purposes, I am interested in all data but information on success with colon cancer could potentialy help me.  I would prefer a public reply rather that a private one so that all can bebnefit.  Sounds like it could be a breakthrough! 

 

I'm not sure who this inquiry was directed at but here is what I can tell you about the clinic I go to. It is very small, there are thirteen recliners in the chelation room....there is a very long waiting list with cancer patients given priority. There is one medical doctor two nurses and a receptionist all dedicated to the field of alternative healing. Because of the bias against natural medicine in this area it has been impossible to find another medical doctor willing to face the censure of their peers to assist in this burgeoning practice, Thankfully a naturopath has come on staff recently to assist with some of the overload allowing this wonderful doctor to take a breath. I am sorry I can't give you more definitive information without permission but in the past this doctor has given recommendations to other similar facilities in other areas across North America. Regards
Amazing cures, wonderfull doctor, burgeoning practice and dedicated personnel.  I would hope that you get their permission and share this excellent alternative opportunity with everyone, especially those folks in Canada.  I am also sure that oither advocates and investors would see this as an excellent opportunity to provide these services to patients in dire need. I  would also hope that you as a strong proponent and supporter of the altrernative protocol, would do everything possible to expand this capability.  Please keep us informed of your progress.

RE: alternative therapies for cholangiocarcinoma

by Shemay on Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:00 AM

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Amazing cures, wonderfull doctor, burgeoning practice and dedicated personnel. I would hope that you get their permission and share this excellent alternative opportunity with everyone, especially those folks in Canada. I am also sure that oither advocates and investors would see this as an excellent opportunity to provide these services to patients in dire need. I would also hope that you as a strong proponent and supporter of the altrernative protocol, would do everything possible to expand this capability. Please keep us informed of your progress. _____________________________________________________________ These people are "healers" in the true sense of the word. They are not motivated by profit. It weighs heavily on them that they have to turn so many people away but unfortunately the best they can do is to offer links to other clinics that offer the same protocols. IF you are truly interested, I am sure they would be happy to make recommendations for the Cleveland area.
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