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by amcam on Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:00 AM

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In 2005 my dad was dx with RCC and had his left kidney removed. We were cancer free until April of this year 2 lesions appeared in his lung which were surgically removed. A few month later it reappeared in his lung and then spread to his liver. We have been working with Dana Farber and we were in Boston on 12/23 to get him cleared for a new trial that he was supposed to start 1/5/09. Unfortunately in getting some test done it was revealed he had mets to brain and hip bone. They admitted him on the spot and did brain surgery the day after christmas to remove a tumor that was leaking in his brain. He is having surgery on his hip this thursday for a total hip replacment as he has no bone left due to tumor and arthritis. We as you can imagine have been through hell- my family is from Albany, NY and so we have been living in a hotel since 12/23. To top things off he also has tumors in his shoulder area -which are causing him great pain. He was on Sutent for 2 cycles back in the fall and it failed so has not been on any meds since Nov 12th. They are doing radiation in the interim (5 tx's)on his shoulder to help with the pain but it's his 3rd day and it's not helping. Anxious, tired, upset does not even begin to tell you what I and my mother and sisters feel at this point. While we are at a very good institution, we are feeling very concerned. I would like to get a sense of any other trials or drugs that people have tried that are out there. I know we will be meeting with our oncologist at Dana Farber before we take my dad home, but would like to hear other stories. Please say a prayer for us and give us strength to get through these next couple of days. Our goal is to at least get my dad back home and hopefully talk about potential next steps.

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by lorane427 on Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:00 AM

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I am wondering how you and your family are doing.  How is your dad?  I am so sorry for what you are facing.  My thoughts and prayers are with you.   There are so many who, in spite of the struggle, get through these difficult times and your dad sounds like a fighter which will serve him well.  I hope that things are looking better.  Please keep us posted.

 Sincerely,

Lorraine

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by perkins7 on Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:00 AM

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I am do sorry to hear about your Dad and what the family has been going through. You are all in my prayers and I hope you will have peace that will just pour out to all of you.

 

Perkins 7

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by amcam on Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:00 AM

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Thank you for your kind words. We are as a family holding up as best we can, it's difficult living out of a hotel especially since 12/23 and spending your holidays in a hospital but we have strong faith which is also helping us. His next surgery on his hip is tomorrow morning at 7:30am so extra prayers are welcome! Again thank you for responding, it's always helpful to talk to others who are dealing with the same thing. I believe it's part of what helps us do our best to get through what comes along with this awful disease.

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by Kim_p_3 on Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:00 AM

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My husband is taking Torisel treatments once a week and so far they have worked on his lung tumors. However, his brain tumor grew some. He is scheduled to have Gamma Knife next week. Tell your father to keep his faith and remember that they are coming up with new treatments all the time. Who knows when one might actually cure this awful disease.

Kim

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by Railwayman on Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi so sorry to hear your news. Drugs that spring to mind are Torisol, Nexavar, Everolimus (RADOO1), Interlukin High Dose, Trovax (being trialled in UK), Avastin, Interferon (not so good) procedures such as cyberknife (targetted radiation), cryoablation, radioablation, gamma knife, - best thing to do is ask about them all. There could be more and they dont all suit each person but its worth asking.

 

Good luck

 

Railwayman

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by JulieUK on Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Kim, I'm glad to hear that gamma knife is scheduled, but a word of REALLY IMPORTANT WARNING!!!!!

My husband had gamma knife, apparently successfully - he certainly sailed through the procedure - BUT, things went wrong afterwards. I'll tell you what they were, in CASE the same thing happens your end, and you can avoid what happened to my husband.

My husband had around 9 mets gamma'ed in all - three at c 1 cm, and then some tiddlers. When he was DX with BM in August, there was some edema around the main mets, so he was put on 4 mg dex. He lived on that until about ten days after the gamma knife treatment, when it was reduced to 2 mg. Simultaneously, he was on his third cycle of Sutent by then, and we were getting the feeling it wasn't working any more, unlike the first two cycles. It jsut felt 'different'. I say this because, IF Sutent HAD been getting through the blood brain barrier and helping to keep the brain mets down, then losing its efficacy may have cvontributed to the final grim outcome.

He had the gamma knife on 23rd October. Felt fine, as I said, and reduced his dex dose on advice to 2 mg. On 10th November he went for a 'Sutent-scan', and collapsed and had two major 'grand mal' seizures, (THANK GOD IN THE HOSPITAL ITSELF!!!!!) which hospitalised him for 36 hours while they put him on anti-convulsants and l6 mg dex. He, amazingly, did incredibly well, and walked out of the hospital apparently 'fine'. He had to take anti-convulsoin meds (phenytoin, which I think is dilutin in the US), as well as dex. The dex came down to 8mg, then 6mg and then back to 4mg. We thought he was 'safe again'.

Then the original BM symptoms re-started - visual disturbances and headaches. We spoke to the gamma knife centre on 24th November (me having emailed them about the grandmals) and were told that, as we had been before, that gamma-knifed mets can sometimes swell as they die, appearning larger in size and increasing edema (and symptoms!), but that this is temporary. Again, we thought all was well.

BUT, during that week, he lost his appetite, started to get nauseous, and increasingly sleepy. By Friday evening he was vomiting green bile (having been well enough to go to the opticians that morning, however), and sleeping a lot. Because it was the w/e all I could do was phone the emergency cover line doc, who was very good, and phoned the onc department at the hospital, who said, double the dex to 8mg, which we did, and book an MRI head scan for Monday, which we did.

On Sunday night he fitted again, only a mild seizure, but still a fit, and again in the night. By the time I got him to the hospital for his Monday morning scan he was semi-conscious and had to be wheelchaired in. He was given an MRI, the onc pronounced progression of mets and edema (one met had quadrupled in size to 4 cm), and he was put on DNR (Do Not Resuccitate). He was hospitalised on l6 mg intravenous dex, phenytoin and another anti-convulsant, plus IV diazapam to relax him after fitting again, which didn't help. He fitted every twenty minutes for a minute, for several days. I finally got him home a week later, in an ambulence, under nothing more than palliative care, as his onc said he was beyond his treatment any more. He died two weeks later.

I say this not to scare you, though it doubtless will, I'm sorry, but to warn you DO NOT assume that gamma knife is 'safe' - we will never now know whether my husband DID have progression (growth) or radiation necrosis (which CAN happen after gamma knife not jsut whole brain - and remember, too, RCC is radio-resistant, so they really have to blast the met, and that can affect, maybe the healthy tissue around, causing the radiation necrosis.)

Radiation necrosis is bad news, as in the end they have to get the necrotic lump out physically, which is not even possible (I never found out whether it would have been for my husband, and like to hope the onc had nous enough to check, but who knows!), or they can treat it a little with anti-coagulant drugs, some anti-tumour drugs, and also hyperbaric oxygen treatment.

Howevber, it IS very rare, so that's the good news!

My message is simple though - do NOT assume 'all is well' post-gamma, and if you are on dex, don't be too ambitious to reduce it, though I know everyone is always desperate to do so! If there are ANY breakthrough symptoms, or that nausea/sleepiness effect, get PROMPT action. And INSIST on a scan, even if the gamma knife centre says its not necessary. ONLY a PET scan will reveal whether a met is growing or dying, whether there is progression of the tumour, or radiation necrosis.

Edema kills - keep the dex high. At least, in the USA, the docs will dose dex way high, over 40 mg, and easily 24-32mg. Over here, for reasons unknown to me, the UK dosing max is l6 mg.

Also, I found out, belatedly, that IV dex is far more powerful than oral dex, and so when my husband went across to oral l6mg at home he was NOT getting the hospital dose! Also, anticonvulsant drugs like phenytoin dilute the effect of dex, so you do NOT get the full anti-edema power of it.

I'm sorry to be so scary, but forewarned is forearmed. I don't know whether I could have  changed the final outcome for my husband, but I DO KNOW that we were NEVER ADEQUATELY WARNED about just how dangerous edema and symptom breakthrough and nausea/drowsiness could be. I watched my husband start to die over the weekend, and didn't realise it was happening....I hadn't been warned.

So, that's my mission now - to warn, so that what happened to us, can't happen to others for lack of knowing, at least! And I wish, with all my heart, that I was reading this about someone else, not my husband, so I could learn from their situation - mean of me, I know, but there it is...

All the VERY best to you -and gamma knife is usually very successful, and I've heard of it completely getting rid of mets, and they don't come back. SO I HOPE this is what you will get.

Best, Julie

 

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by bizzymissy on Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:00 AM

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My prayers are with you, your father and all involved in his cancer journey.  Also, please consider looking into roxinol (20mg/ml) to deal with his metastatic pain.  As a hospice nurse, I know this is helpful in treating pain, no matter what other therapies you decide on. One day at a time,

Missy

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by EC_HERE on Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Julie UK

I read your post about losing your husband.   I am so sorry to hear that you lost him to rcc brain mets.  I appreciate your sending the warning about what he went thru after his radiation treatment.  This disease is so brutal for those stricken and family care givers.  I am sending my positive thoughts and prayers out to you and family.

My husband GMan is doing well after his SRS and brain surgery to remove the shell.  His last check up was 1/12 and he's clear right now and not on any drug therapy.   You were so kind to reply to my posts and giving us so much information thank you. 

Just as I was finishing this my husband start having a seizure.  He's ok took some seizure medication and it's going away. This is a scary thing.

Best Regards, Edie Texas

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by JulieUK on Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:00 AM

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Yes, the seizures are scary! In the hospital, I was told that the best thing during a seizure, despite our instincts, is NOT to talk to the patient or try and reassure them verbally, nor to try and 'soothe' them with stroking or rubbing etc. What their brains need is MINIMUM ssensory stimulation, as it is the ovreload of stimulation that is causing the seizure - like a computer spike! However, the nurse said that because it is SO instinctive to try and sooth and comfort them during the seizure, that it's OK to hold their arm, or touch them, but to keep the touch and pressure constant, so the brain doesn't constantly have to register the change in sensaton, but the mind knows the loved one is holding/touching them to comfort them. Don't talk to them until the seizure is over. They will probably sleep deeply, and have no memory of the seizure at all.

My husband foudn that the relaxant midazolam worked best to minimise the seizures.

I hope things go well with your husband.

Best, Jjulie 

 

 

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