We need advise for my Dad ASAP

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We need advise for my Dad ASAP

by needhelpasap on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM

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I’ am looking for Alternative treatment for my father he had partial gastractomy in 22.02.2006 and out of 16  lymph nodes 3 was with cancer. My father did chemo in Sloan-Kettering and in 3 weeks he stopped because of huge side effects. Just 2 weeks ago we did CT scan and Pat scan and doctor told us that cancer came back and is outside of his stomach. I was looking many and many long hours on internet about Alternative therapies and I sent all of his

Scans and information to Leonardis Klinik in Germany and to oasis of Hope and Issels, Sonophotodynamictherapy in Mexico. I was thinking to go with my father over there  but our oncology doctor told us that all this Alternative treatments is not helping that all of them make $$$

I am confused, please help me. If anyone went to one of those clinic share your experience with me. I have a feeling that I have to deside ASAP. All Alternative clinics is thrue or ?

Please response asap

 

Thank you Vitaliy from NY

RE: We need advise for my Dad ASAP

by 77Network on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hello Vitaliy,
First off, I want to let you know that I have no experience with any of those clinics you asked about, but I did want to make you aware of thread involving someone who did go to Oasis of Hope and Issels last summer. I guess that even though they are in the same building, they have different protocols. The thread abruptly ends with no real conclusion, but maybe you can try to contact the person directly with questions.
I did look at the sites for all of these clinics you brought up. They all report success stories that are very encouraging, but it is hard to know if the successes were due to these alternative treatments or some other factor. The cases they present always focus only on the alternative treatment and never mention what other medical treatments the patient was receiving which may have been the cause for the response. In nearly all cases these patients are receiving some kind of traditional therapy in addition to the alternative treatments offered at these clinics. They also never present any data on how often the patients do not respond. If they treat 1000s of people each year and only a very small number show improvement it is reasonable to conclude that the treatments are not beneficial. There is not enough information presented to know that if this helps or if it is a waste of money.
The problem is made worse because there are so many rip off artists that will lie to you and try to sell you garbage that has no hope of producing any benefit. These types of products are generally classified as homeopathy which fall outside of government control and frequently talk about removing mysterious toxins and parasites which you don't have. Just last week I was reviewing a website that claimed they could cure any cancer by using coffee enemas and irrigating the sinuses with natural oils.
My father died in July from a rare form of prostate cancer. He chose to receive chemo and radiation to fight his disease. These traditional therapies had no effect on his cancer and actually accelerated his decline. We spent over $200k (most of it covered) and countless hours with traditional medicine, yet it is clear that he would have lived longer if he had just focused on maintaining his nutrition and did his best to remain active. I still feel his choice was the correct one because it gave him the comfort and power of knowing he was fighting his disease as best as he could. I feel sad that I lost him and I miss him very much, but I am very happy that I never tried to push him into any treatment plan and that he always decided what he wanted to do.
What sort of treatment options is the oncologist giving you now? Also, is your dad's health such that he would have a good chance of tolerating the treatment? Let your father know your thoughts, but make sure he picks whatever option he likes the most. Only he knows what's best for him.
James Nemanich

RE: We need advise for my Dad ASAP

by 77Network on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hello Vitaliy,
First off, I want to let you know that I have no experience with any of those clinics you asked about, but I did want to make you aware of thread involving someone who did go to Oasis of Hope and Issels last summer. I guess that even though they are in the same building, they have different protocols. The thread abruptly ends with no real conclusion, but maybe you can try to contact the person directly with questions.
I did look at the sites for all of these clinics you brought up. They all report success stories that are very encouraging, but it is hard to know if the successes were due to these alternative treatments or some other factor. The cases they present always focus only on the alternative treatment and never mention what other medical treatments the patient was receiving which may have been the cause for the response. In nearly all cases these patients are receiving some kind of traditional therapy in addition to the alternative treatments offered at these clinics. They also never present any data on how often the patients do not respond. If they treat 1000s of people each year and only a very small number show improvement it is reasonable to conclude that the treatments are not beneficial. There is not enough information presented to know that if this helps or if it is a waste of money.
The problem is made worse because there are so many rip off artists that will lie to you and try to sell you garbage that has no hope of producing any benefit. These types of products are generally classified as homeopathy which fall outside of government control and frequently talk about removing mysterious toxins and parasites which you don't have. Just last week I was reviewing a website that claimed they could cure any cancer by using coffee enemas and irrigating the sinuses with natural oils.
My father died in July from a rare form of prostate cancer. He chose to receive chemo and radiation to fight his disease. These traditional therapies had no effect on his cancer and actually accelerated his decline. We spent over $200k (most of it covered) and countless hours with traditional medicine, yet it is clear that he would have lived longer if he had just focused on maintaining his nutrition and did his best to remain active. I still feel his choice was the correct one because it gave him the comfort and power of knowing he was fighting his disease as best as he could. I feel sad that I lost him and I miss him very much, but I am very happy that I never tried to push him into any treatment plan and that he always decided what he wanted to do.
What sort of treatment options is the oncologist giving you now? Also, is your dad's health such that he would have a good chance of tolerating the treatment? Let your father know your thoughts, but make sure he picks whatever option he likes the most. Only he knows what's best for him.
James Nemanich

RE: We need advise for my Dad ASAP

by Shemay on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Vitaliy from NY........First let me say how sorry I am that your father has to deal with this disease. I am also very sorry that he had to deal with such an ill informed oncologist who obviously has a closed mind regarding the efficacy of some alternative protocols. To state that ALL alternatives do not work and to infer that ALL alternative practitioners are only in it for the money is so utterly false. I consider it sinful that any doctor would discourage a patient from trying an alternative path especially when the traditional treatment they have to offer is obviously not working ...........I am almost five years past my diagnosis of non Hodgkins. I have used ONLY alternative protocols ie diet, supplements, intravenous vitamin c etc. A friend of my son's is more than seven years past his diagnosis of stomach cancer and he used only alternative protocols as well. I posted a message some months ago about these experiences along with several others that I personally know to be true. Here's a link to that post.......You'll need to scroll down to about the middle of the page to find the rather lengthy message........ http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,26762 .......I have a link to a directory for alternative practitioners and clinics in NY which I hope will be helpful to you in your research. ..... http://www.google.com/Top/Health/Alternative/Practitioners/W " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/Top/Health/Alternative/Practitioners/W ......... If your father should be comfortable taking that route I would recommend you try to find someone who offers BTA testing and dark field microscopy along with their other services as these tests are valuable tools in identifying one's individual deficiencies..............If you would like to learn more about the diet, supplements etc that have brought about my return to good health let me know and I'll gladly send along that information........Please pass along my good wishes to your father.........Sheila http://www.google.com/Top/Health/Alternative/Practitioners/W " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/Top/Health/Alternative/Practitioners/W

On 2/13/2009 need_help_asap wrote:

I’ am looking for Alternative treatment for my father he had partial gastractomy in 22.02.2006 and out of 16  lymph nodes 3 was with cancer. My father did chemo in Sloan-Kettering and in 3 weeks he stopped because of huge side effects. Just 2 weeks ago we did CT scan and Pat scan and doctor told us that cancer came back and is outside of his stomach. I was looking many and many long hours on internet about Alternative therapies and I sent all of his

Scans and information to Leonardis Klinik in Germany and to oasis of Hope and Issels, Sonophotodynamictherapy in Mexico. I was thinking to go with my father over there  but our oncology doctor told us that all this Alternative treatments is not helping that all of them make $$

I am confused, please help me. If anyone went to one of those clinic share your experience with me. I have a feeling that I have to deside ASAP. All Alternative clinics is thrue or ?

Please response asap

 

Thank you Vitaliy from NY


RE: We need advise for my Dad ASAP

by Shemay on Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:00 AM

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Sorry the above url for the alternative practitioner directory does not work. I will check through my files and re post it later. Sheila
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