What are the after effects of an Orchiectomy?

I'm back to square one.  My Doctor is still saying that castration is still my best option at this time, and that there are no severe after-effects except the mental trauma of losing your sex drive.

At 89, my sex drive is pretty much history, and he says that this is different than active hormone therapy, in that there are no night sweats,hot flashes or enlarged breasts.  Is he giving me a bum steer?

 

On 3/5/2009 PAPPY-R wrote:

I'm back to square one.  My Doctor is still saying that castration is still my best option at this time, and that there are no severe after-effects except the mental trauma of losing your sex drive.

At 89, my sex drive is pretty much history, and he says that this is different than active hormone therapy, in that there are no night sweats,hot flashes or enlarged breasts.  Is he giving me a bum steer?

Hi Pappy -R sorry for what your going through but I hope this will help I know an Orchiectomy  is how doctors treat prostrate cancer in India. and his right about the side effects of hormone therapy But an Orchiectomy and hormone therapy have both the same side effects. Prostrate cancer is  classified as an adenocarcinoma, or glandular cancer. Prostrate cancer is sex hormone (testoserone ) dependent removing the testicles. will bring your psa down to Zero, at lease  for a few years any way. But the adenocarcinoma Will find an other way. I offend heard of prostrate cancer patient saying  they were on hormone therapity but it stopped working after one to three years. Have you heard about the isofloveones Genisten it minics sexhormones. It can be found in Plants like red clover, soy beans, like soy milk, soy flour, and also Dry roasted soybeans, witch have 128mg of  isofloveones Genisten per 100g of dry roasted soy beans. You do a search on the net to find out more. I get red clover in pill form.  there  about 40mg. I take three a day, but I found out I can drop it down to one aday. A few month ago My PSA was 13.2. I found I had urine retention (I found I couldn’t pee, very well) So I went on the Dr budwig diet  and started having red clover. I stuck to the diet of no sugary foods, no cows milk, and no Red meat, and in 6 weeks my PSA test showed it had dropped from a PSA of 13.2 to a PSA of 11.2. Its the isofloveones. In the red clover it got  my PSA down, and  I know now it well get it down further cheers Ray

 

These are links to the Dr Budwig diet, Red clover, and a report on Orchiectomy.

 

http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer/Budwig.html

 

http://www.obgyn.net/newsheadlines/headline_medical_news-Pro

 

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/orchiectomy 

 

Orchiectomy is the removal of the testicles. The penis and the scrotum, the pouch of skin that holds the testicles, are left intact. An orchiectomy is done to stop most of the body's production of testosterone, which prostate cancer usually needs in order to continue growing.

What To Expect After Surgery

Orchiectomy can be done as an outpatient procedure or with a short hospital stay. Regular activities are usually resumed within 1 to 2 weeks, and a full recovery can be expected within 2 to 4 weeks.

Why It Is Done

Orchiectomy may help relieve symptoms, prevent complications, and prolong survival for advanced prostate cancer. Radiation treatment is sometimes needed also.

How Well It Works

Orchiectomy often causes the tumor to shrink and relieves bone pain.

This surgery does not cure prostate cancer, although it may prolong survival.

Risks

Orchiectomy causes sudden hormone changes in the body. Side effects from hormone changes include:

·                                 Sterility.

·                                 Loss of sexual interest.

·                                 Erection problems.

·                                 Hot flashes.

·                                 Larger breasts (gynecomastia).

·                                 Weight gain.

·                                 Loss of muscle mass.

·                                 Thin or brittle bones (osteoporosis)

What To Think About

Removing the testicles is one way to cut down on testosterone and other male hormones, or androgens. Taking medicine is another way to reduce androgen levels in your body. Some men may prefer surgery over taking pills or having injections. But if you choose to take medicine, you can stop taking the hormone drugs. And the side effects from taking medicine may go away. An orchiectomy is permanent.

Some men choose to have reconstructive surgery after an orchiectomy, in which the surgeon replaces the testicles with artificial testicles.

 

 

Besides the list of side effects that JCR gave you there are also upwards of 20 more. Some of these side effects are loss or reduction of short term memory, loss of strength, loss of body hair, possibility of having pain in joints and back, mood swings--some of which can be anger and/or increased sensitivity to situations that can result in crying. One member of my prostate cancer support group also mentioned to me that liver problems can occur. Now this was with the Androgen deprivation therapy drugs so the liver problem could be possibly due to the drugs rather than the loss of testosterone but the other side effects are more likely due to loss of testosterone.

 

On 3/7/2009 DocTV wrote:

Besides the list of side effects that JCR gave you there are also upwards of 20 more. Some of these side effects are loss or reduction of short term memory, loss of strength, loss of body hair, possibility of having pain in joints and back, mood swings--some of which can be anger and/or increased sensitivity to situations that can result in crying. One member of my prostate cancer support group also mentioned to me that liver problems can occur. Now this was with the Androgen deprivation therapy drugs so the liver problem could be possibly due to the drugs rather than the loss of testosterone but the other side effects are more likely due to loss of testosterone.

DocTV your right on the mark lost of  testosterone. thought Androgen deprivation therapy drugs or an orchiectomy with prostrate cancer is not the way to go

http://www.cancertutor.com/Other/Prostate_Cancer.html

It is generally believed that by the time symptoms of prostate cancer are observed by the patient, the cancer has spread beyond the prostate gland. In other words, unless the patient was proactive in getting his PSA levels checked, meaning the patient had his PSA level checked before symptoms appeared, it is likely the cancer had already spread beyond the prostate gland.

the big qoestion now is, Is it necessary to have the prostate gland removed? That is where the paradox of prostate cancer begins.

If the cancer has already spread outside of the prostate area, surgery is of little or no value. Once the cancer has spread it may become fast growing and may have spread to vital organs. By this time, the slow growing cancer in the prostate area is no longer of any concern, it is the cancer in other areas that are of concern. Thus, if the cancer has already spread, surgery is of virtually no use.

As Ive said the best way I found to fight prostrate cancer is with the isoflovones Genistein, found in red clover and soy beans prostrate cancer cells  have vastly more sex hormone receptors on them then do normal cells and because Genistein mimics teatoserone the cancer absubs more of the Genistein then do normal cells the cancer cell receptor is blocked and the cancer cell dies

I know now that Androgen deprivation therapy drugs and orchiectomy with prostrate cancer are just to harsh a treatment But the isoflovones Genistein found in red clover and soy beans have been consumed by man for thouaned of years our bodys are turned to handal  isoflovones as there found in a lot of foods we eat but the cancer cells are not all the best Ray

today I had a cat scan and a bone scan, so I am in limbo til I get the results. 

There is a serious side effect with soy.  It disrupts the function of the thyroid

gland, and raises hell with  the T cells, etc.   Having said that I don't know which can kill you faster, a dysfunctional thyroid, or a spreading cancer.  I'll talk to my MD to-morrow to check on raising my thyroid supplement to offset my soy cookies

they sre made from raw soy ground into a very fine flour, which can be used to make some pretty good tasting cookies, and they have all the bad stuff that is good for stopping the cancer.  Of course you have to use saccharin to sweeten it, as sugar is not allowed, but seems to be an inexpensive way to get the benefit if the flavoids.

 

 

 

On 3/10/2009 PAPPY-R wrote:

today I had a cat scan and a bone scan, so I am in limbo til I get the results. 

There is a serious side effect with soy.  It disrupts the function of the thyroid

gland, and raises hell with  the T cells, etc.   Having said that I don't know which can kill you faster, a dysfunctional thyroid, or a spreading cancer.  I'll talk to my MD to-morrow to check on raising my thyroid supplement to offset my soy cookies

they sre made from raw soy ground into a very fine flour, which can be used to make some pretty good tasting cookies, and they have all the bad stuff that is good for stopping the cancer.  Of course you have to use saccharin to sweeten it, as sugar is not allowed, but seems to be an inexpensive way to get the benefit if the flavoids.

 

 

Hi pappy I’ve heard this about soy to. There is a full report on soy good effects and bad side effects   at this site address http://www.healingcrow.com/soy/soy.html  I was told  the effect on animals ore quite  deferent then the effect on humans. Our ancestors have had soy for a lone time our body’s are more turned to it nasty side effects like one of the  nasty side effects are  Soy or Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc it also as you said contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function. My daughter has been on soy milk since the day she was born. She cant have cows milk she’s now 22 and been marred 2 years. They just decided to have a baby she now  pregnant 12 weeks she told me the same thing about soy she has it on her cereal as she pregnant she stopped having it  the function of her thyroid seem find. I know a lot of the bad side effects os soy work in our favor when we have prostrate cancer or breast cancer. lest  testosterone and estrogen is produce for one thing, and the isoflavones Genistein prevents the sex hormones testosterone and  estrogen from binding to the cancer  site by taking its place you can also  get the  isoflavones Genistein from red clover as well with lest side effects. just ask  your health food store or do a search on the net I just wanted to give you more options  then the doctors can give you as my doctor said there not allowed to give you.  take care be well  Ray

hi pappy mate I miss putting this in mu last post  I hope you do OK with your CT scan.  I’ve has a lot of ct scans but no more. I had to many and now seem have a reaction to it. last Friday I ended up in hospital. my whole body went red my eyes felt like they were popping out of my head, and the glands in my neck swelled up.  they had me on oxygen give me a shot of antihistamine I was all right after a few hours what I wanted to tell you about is be careful of eating any sugary foods and any  fruit or fruit juice with prostrate cancer we cant have milk as it has every thing a growing cancer  need to grow  that’s why I have the soy milk I put it in my cups of papa tea and on my ground up flack seeds and cottage cheese with a little bit of sweetener of a morning cheers Ray  

 

On 3/10/2009 jcr65566 wrote:

hi pappy mate I miss putting this in mu last post  I hope you do OK with your CT scan.  I’ve has a lot of ct scans but no more. I had to many and now seem have a reaction to it. last Friday I ended up in hospital. my whole body went red my eyes felt like they were popping out of my head, and the glands in my neck swelled up.  they had me on oxygen give me a shot of antihistamine I was all right after a few hours what I wanted to tell you about is be careful of eating any sugary foods and any  fruit or fruit juice with prostrate cancer we cant have milk as it has every thing a growing cancer  need to grow  that’s why I have the soy milk I put it in my cups of papa tea and on my ground up flack seeds and cottage cheese with a little bit of sweetener of a morning cheers Ray  

 The cat  and bone scan came in, and they think there is a "little" metastasis in the middle of my back. The rest of the damage is just old age.

I'm now on all my vitamins and flax seed oil, pomegranate juice, and my chocolate chip soy cookies.

I take raw soy beans de-hull them, and grind them into flour. then I add a little whole wheat flour, saccharin, chocolate chips, etc., and bake me some cookies.  I eat 4 a day. 

These are rich in  Genistein which is a substitute hormone for testosterone, and starves the cancer.  (theoretically)

Genistein is rough on the thyroiod, so I'm taking an iodine supplement to try to protect my thyroid.

I'm in correspondence with a guy that has gone through a ninety-day program of inhaling Methyl Jasmonate from a Vicks Steamer. 

If his tests come back like they should, I'll  get me some, and try my luck.  Methyl Jasmonate is said to be effective on lung cancer, and on lab samples of  prostate cancer. 

  Methyl
Jasmonate. 2 grams five times a month via aerosol inhalation. MJ can
also be administered in a 70% DMSO gel directly into the hair follicles
of the arm pit (for introduction into the lymphatic system), on the
scrotum for the treatment of prostate cancer, or directly on surface
cancers such as skin and breast cancer.

MJ is expensive and it is getting more expensive. The wholesale price for one kilogram increased by $700 in two months.

I have found a source in Australia for 10 grams for $157 W/free shipping.

http://www.methyljasmonate.com/order_methyl_jasmonate.html

It's a plant hormone that an Israeli found to be an effective anticancer in the lab.back in the nineties.  

anyway I thought I would post this for what it is worth.   ~PAPPY~

Hi Wow good post poppy looks like your geting right on top of it,

  about the little metastasis in the middle of your  back. In 2007 when I had a biopsy on my prostrate I found out three months later I had metastasis I believe it sped the prostrate cancer though out my body. A ct scan in 2007 found it was in my back and my ribs.

 After my doctor said there was nothing he could do that I could afford . I found out from a naturopath that high dose vitamin C and a three to four month coarse of cellular Zeolitte 15 drops 4 times a day for four months.

 After I went on it I found out a year later when I had a bone scan it  got rid of the minnie prostrate cancer tumors spreading though out my whole body.  I only took this to see if it would get my psa down a little bit, and you know  it did, from a psa of 10, to a psa of 8. But at $450.00 for 15 little 30mil bottles, it got a bit expensive. So I could not continue on it.  I all ways wonder what would have happen if I did.

 That Genistein good I’ve now move on to red clover tablets as it has the isoflavones 17B-Estradiol this dos the same thing as the Genisterin. My last psa test found my psa come down 3 points. I didn’t know Genistein is rough on the thyroid gland  could explain a lot  

Watch out for that pomegranate juice it loaded with fruit sugars.

The Chocolate chip soy cookies sounds good Ill try them can you let me know more about how you make them I cook with soy flour to.

 what dos Methyl Jasmonate do, I never heard of it.

 I’ve have  all so been grinding  up apricot pits with the flack seeds mix it in to cottage cheese and then add soy milk into it and a bit of artificial sweetener also the pinapple enzyme and Zinc seem to work. could you let me know what happens  with the  guy that has gone through a ninety-day program of inhaling Methyl Jasmonate from a Vicks Steamer. Well take care  Ray

Wow Pappy this is good thinks Ray

The Anti-Cancer Fragrance Methyl Jasmonate Can Be Effectively Introduced Into the Blood with a Simple Steam Inhaler. One of the members sent in this idea. Go to Amazon and purchase a Vicks Personal Steam Inhaler. It only cost about $25. You put the methyl jasmonate in the distilled water and inhale the vapours from the mask. It is adjustable so you only get the amount of steam that you want. This way there is no loss of MJ into the air. MJ is probably the most potent anti-cancer and anti-leukemia agent known to man. And it is completely non-toxic to normal cells. You can't say that about chemotherapy or radiation therapies. But it is insoluble in water so the oral ingestion of MJ is out of the question. So... the crazy people here figured out that MJ could be introduced into the lungs (and blood) almost instantly if it was in an aerosol form. MJ is a fragrance and is, by definition, volatile. This inexpensive Vicks Inhaler is perfect for the job. Not everything in life has to be complicated.