HELP! Brain mets-Gamma knife or traditional radiation?

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HELP! Brain mets-Gamma knife or traditional radiation?

by Bookmum on Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:00 AM

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Yesterday we found out that my husband has 3 small brain tumors (1 year ago had kidney removed -- mets to the lung and on Sutent since).  They said Sutent works well for the main body but not so effective for the brain.  The Dr here wants to start radiation right away.  I've been searching the computer and this Gamma Knife looks like an option--it's not offered here but we can get it 2 hours away.  Does anyone have any experience with this??

Thank you,  Bookmum

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by Heritage_Softail on Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:00 AM

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Bookmum

I have looked at two options in this area. One the Gamma Knife and the other Cyber Knife. As this looks to be my future as well. I am not sure the main difference  other then the Gamma Knife has been in use for alot longer. I have questions as well because each sight seems to promote the machine in use?? God Bless

Damon

DX Nov 087 AO Grade 3

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by Bookmum on Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Heritage Softail (we are also Harley riders),

Thanks for your response.  I just spoke to both Mayo and our radiologist here.  Rick is not a candidate for the Gamma Knife because he has too many lesions---which is a surprise because yesterday, the Oncologist told us there were only 3.  This is so frustrating.......trying to learn as much as we can is hard enough without getting contradicting info.  Deep breaths--we are meeting with the Radiologist again today so, hopefully, we can sort it all out.  Good luck.  My thoughts and prayers always include everyone on this board.   Sue (Bookmum)

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by Heritage_Softail on Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:00 AM

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Bookum

I can say I have been taking Temodar for a while with "stable" results as they call it. I told my wife they would have to pry my bike out of my hands. Let me know how the appointment goes. Also check out

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/search

For any other type of treatments. God bless!

Damon

Ride hard and Love life!

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by Bookmum on Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:00 AM

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Thanks to everyone for your input.  Here is where we stand.  The Dr advised whole head radiology versus Cyber/Gamma knife because he said if there are seen tumors, there are thousands of unseen cancer cells so he feels it is better to radiate the whole brain first and then, if anything comes up later use the knife at that time.  So the suggested treatment was 10 days of radiation.  However, my husband's family is flying in for his birthday next week and we have a party planned at one of the lakes in northern MN.  He did not want to miss this--he feels good now and I think he is thinking it might be one of his last chances to really enjoy his family..............so......... he has opted for 5 double dose radiation treatments.  It is not what I would have chosen but he seems to have a gut feeling about this and it's his choice. 

I'll let you know how we come out.  God Bless.   Sue

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by Trishpm on Thu Jun 04, 2009 12:00 AM

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I would get a second opinion before I had the whole brain radiation.  Renal cell carcinoma is very resistant to radiation, and long term side effects (more than six months past treatment) of the radiation can be very serious and have no effective treatment. 

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by JulieUK on Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi - did you get a private mail from me? I'm unclear as to whether I actually posted it or not (I definitely wrote it!).

 

I agree, WBR is generally not recommended first off, if you can get gamma knife instead, bedause the latter causes less damange to healthy brain tissue, and doesn't use up each patient's 'safe total radiation limit' so quickly, so you can go back and have it done again more often.

There is, so I rather suspect, a 'battle' between the two schools, with WBR radiologists not keen on gamma knife, and gamma knife guys poo-pooing WBR - patients get caught in the cross fire....

 

All the very best, Julie (do ask on kidney-onc re gamma vs WBR - lots of information there - you can join on http://cancerguide.org/kofaq/

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by Trishpm on Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:00 AM

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I don't believe that whole brain vs stereotactic radiation are treatments that should be considered interchangeable in terms of risk and benefits.

Studies have shown that whole brain radiation for clear cell renal cell carcinoma is unlikely to be curative (may produce a very temporary improvement) but is still recomended by doctors who know of no other options so they can "do something."  For clear cell RCC, the mets are resistant to the whole brain radiation, but will respond to targeted stereotactic radiation such as gamma knife.  Unfortunately, although the mets are resistant to whole brain radiation, the normal brain tissue can still be affected when a patient has whole brain radiation.  If the patient doesn't live past six months, as frequently happened many years ago, the long term side effects were not a problem.  However, now, with other treatments, many patients do live longer and can have serious neurologic deficits as a result of the radiation.

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by Gal49 on Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:00 AM

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Another option to consider is an experimental treatment involving the use of mifepristone plus chemotherapy. The mifepristone will permit chemotherapeutic drugs across the blood brain barrier. That's why they say chemo is OK on the rest of the body but not the brain because this "blood brain barrier" blocks most chemo drugs from the brain so it can't get there to treat it.

I recall seeing a patent that was recently lodged for this innovative treatment:

Glucocorticoid blocking agents for increasing blood-brain barrier permeability

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2005/0124533.html

Glucocorticoid blockers, including glucocorticoid receptor antagonists, are effective to prevent glucocorticoid-induced decrease in permeability of the blood-brain barrier and to increase the permeability of the blood-brain barrier. Administration of glucocorticoid blockers, including glucocorticoid receptor antagonists, concomitant with administration of drugs for treating diseases of the central nervous system increases delivery of such drugs into the central nervous system.

....it is believed that the BBB serves a protective function under normal conditions by protecting the CNS from exposure to potentially toxic compounds, in CNS disease the BBB may thwart therapeutic efforts by hindering the entry of therapeutic compounds into the CNS. For example, although many bacterial and fungal infections may be readily treated where the site of the infection is outside the CNS, such infections in the CNS are often very dangerous and very difficult to treat due to the inability to deliver effective doses of drugs to the site of the infection. Similarly, the action of the BBB makes treatment of cancer of the brain more difficult than treatment of cancers located outside the CNS. Even where it may be possible to deliver an effective dose of drug into the CNS by administering very large amounts of drug outside of the CNS, the drug levels outside the CNS (such as in the blood) are then often so high as to reach toxic levels deleterious to the kidneys, liver, and other vital organs. Accordingly, there is need in the art for methods to improve the delivery of compounds into the CNS.

A kit for the treatment of a patient having a CNS disorder amenable to drug therapy and not otherwise indicative of an antiglucocorticoid therapy, the kit comprising an antiglucocorticoid in sufficient amount to increase permeability of the patient's blood brain barrier, a therapeutically effective amount of a drug useful for treating the CNS disorder, and instructions for the concomitant administration of the drug and the antiglucocorticoid.

....In one embodiment, the CNS disorder is a neoplastic disease and the therapeutic drug is a chemotherapeutic agent. In one aspect, the chemotherapeutic agent is administered in combination with radiation therapy. In some embodiments, the neoplastic disease is a cerebral metastases or malignant astrocytoma.

Example: Methotrexate concentration is measured in the brains of the experimental animals. The methotrexate concentration is greater in the brains of mifepristone-treated animals than in placebo-treated animals. This result demonstrates a glucocorticoid blocker-induced increase in methotrexate delivery to the brain, consistent with an increase in BBB permeability due to mifepristone.

 

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by Ike4y on Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hmm, interesting. Mifepristone, isn't that RU-486 the abortion pill? I tried your link, but didn't see any  info on trials with it for metastatic lesions from renal cell carcinoma.

Do you have any more information about it, hopefully a link to an actual trial? I would be interested just in case.

 

Thank You:

Krys

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