Missing you dad 5/21/09

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RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by Canada_Orange on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 6/18/2009 Thereishope wrote:

 

On 6/18/2009 melqnsny wrote:

It will be a month on June 21st Father's Day, that my dad had passed way. He fought till the very end!!! This is very true. He never gave up and was willing to do anything to stay alive. He was admitted into North Shore University Hospital in Long Island on 5/8. The doctors told me he had about a few days to a week on5 /15. The hardest part for me as his daughter, was hearing from one of his doctors that my dad isn't going to last long.WE never told him that because it broke our hearts to know that we will be crushing his spirits, faith and hope that he so much had. I think he was somewhat in denial. i will never know because he never talked dying or even said the word cancer. but i think he knew what was going on. he just didn't want us to worry.

 He had a tumor removed as well as his right kidney just for precaution about 8/9 years ago. He had his regular check ups but it wasn't until 2 yrs ago that the area where they had the tumor and kidney removed had cancerous cells and had spread to his right lung and stomach. our world came crashing down. but his oncologist was very determined to beat this and to my dad he was god and trusted him with his life. the doctor's name is Dr. Francis Arena. He is in the Long Island, NY area. Right way my dad started of with Avastin....no major side effects. That worked for a few months but the cells started to get bigger.  Sutent was next......it worked for about a year and a half. the side effects were pealing of the hands and feet!!! it was bad. he hand blisters and sores on his tongue etc that made it hard for him to walk but he said it could of been worse. around aug/sept of 08 sutent stopped working. from the scans...we found out that his right long had more cancerous cells. Torisel was the next drug and the drug that i believe did the worse damage to my dad. don't get me wrong it did work!!! but the side effects were worse than the cancer. he had this rash thar was something i had never seen in my life. at first it looked like a bad sunburn...then peeling....then came the changing of skin color.....made it look like he just came back from vacation....to then just flaking of the skin. it was an ordeal. nothing worked to be honest...no lotion or presribed ointment helped.this went on from oct till the day he died. that was the only major side effect from torisel even after he stopped taking it in dec. bc it was so strong. he wouldn't sleep at night bc of the itching. aside from that he had to monitor his sugar blood level which went down from time to time.

around feb of this year 2009 he started and new chemo drug called velban. His doctor was very determined and so was my dad. we had wanted him to stop bc his quality of life wasn't the best. he lost so much weight :(. my dad was dying before our eyes. velban had no side effects. which was odd bc my dad will always get the side effect bc he just had that luck and that was our way of knowing if the drug was working. weird thing to say right ? we knew velban wasn't working only bc he hasn't had any chemo from dec to feb and no ct scan. we were pissed bc we knew within those 3 months the cancer had to have grown and spread. but my dad trusted his doctor. so we left it alone. my dad lost more weight. from a healthy 180-85lb to 140lbs to about 100lbs when he died. feb march april....all those months passed us by. my dads sleepless nights....him not eating much...cleaning up after him in a sense of he had to wear a diaper bc he couldnt walk fast enough to the bathroom.....telling him not to scratch....flaking of the skin in the bathroom bc thtat's where he would scratch away and we had to sweep it.

 

may came and he had glacoma surgery in one bc he couldnt see. friday may 8th we had an appointment to find out if velban was working. may2nd we noticed that his stomach was huge. he said it didnt hurt but inside we feared the worse. that his kidney was shutting down. a week b4 that he saw a kideny speacialist that said that his only kideny is working overtime but it was ok. sun mon tues weds thurs & fri may 8th is the day  we fearedbc we will find out the ct results to c if velban was working. when the doc saw him...he didnt like what he saw...the bloating of the stomach and hard as a rock feeling. they had to take him to the hospital. the doc never told my dad the actual results but said that he need to get rid of the fluids  and that he had an option of stopping treatment or trying out a  new drug that began with the letter "a" that just came out. sorry but i can't remember the name. of course my dad was willing to try anything and said yes!! we were mad at him bc he just wasn't getting the picture that nothing as working but felt bad bc we knew he wanted to fight!!! we supported his decision. i spoke to the doctor privately  and he told me the truth, there was nothing else to be done. he called my dad a saint bc he put up with a lot and fought his way to beat the odds.

we took him in may 8th to get the fluids drained and from that day he never came back home. he was declining everyday. he stopped eating all together. it broke my heart to see him laying in his bed with a confused look (this was bc of the drugs they gave him to ease the pain). my poor dad still had hope that he was going to make it. on may 15 they told me that he had to much protein in his only kidney and that dialysis will help relieve his pain but they only gave him a few days to a week. from the 15th-21st he lost his ability to talk. he would make grunting sounds to communicate with my sis mom aunt and i. he used hand signals. he would smirk and  slient laugh. he actually did say a few word but he would get exhausted. The last time i saw him was sun. may17th....i gave him a kiss and he just looked at me and i would say things to make him laugh etc. priceless. mon i took the day off to go to the doc myself to get checked out but my sis and mom went to c him. tue and weds i had to work as well as my sis but my mom stayed home only bc stupid fedex couldnt deliver a damn package that we needed (it was forms for my dad to sign that gave my mom permission to handle his assets). the pack actually came late weds but the cab driver that we hired to take us back and forth from queens to long island wasnt available. this was me thinking he had time left for me to see him that week. thurs the 21st one of his doctors called me to tell me that his kidney was failing and that the dialysis isn't working.my mom went in to see him. she called me up at my job around 12:20/30 to tell me that my dad looked worse and that he was heavily sedated. the nurse said he should be waking up soon. she told me that if i can see him today. i told her i would ask my bf if he would take me. around 12:45 my mom called my cell phoone while i was at lunch she was cryingand told me my dad passed away in a matter of 15 mins.

i left work and met up with my sister, friend and bf. we rushed to the hospital. we saw my mom next to my dad. my mom said that he never woke up but she was talking telling him that she was there. the nurses say that he was aware that she was there and he was waiting for her so he can go in peace and be happy and pain free with god. a few days prior he signed a paper stating that he did not was a feeding tube or resesitated. my mom said hehad opened his eyes wide open and she noticed that he wasnt breathing. she ran for help but it was too late. we know that he died quickly and peacfully. his death certificate said he had died of cardiorespiratory arrest due to the cancer.

I MISS MY DAD SO MUCH!!!!! there isn't a day or hr that i don';t think of him.

he was a fighter till the end. please don't lose hope. my dad battled KIDNEY CANCER for 8/9yrs. there is hope believe me!!!!

 

good luck everyone who is battling cancer.

 

sorry for the long post.

-Melissa Queens, NY


 

Dear Melissa,

        Thank you so much for sharing.  I think it's best to get it all out.  You did the right thing.  The first two reply posts don't want to face what can happen when you have cancer.  just disregard those two earlier posts.  Also, it sounds like your dad was definitely a trooper.  I know the pain of losing your loved one is really bad. 

Take care,

Ivy

Ivy,

Cancer is not a new disease.  Everybody has been touched by cancer in one way or another.  I have seen relatives and family friends waste away and die from cancer.  I am well aware of what can happen to someone with cancer and I’m sure most people on this board are well aware of it too.  I just don’t see the need to document a cancer patient’s indignities in an open forum.  For example, do we really need to hear that a caregiver had to constantly sweep the flaking skin of a patient from the bathroom floor?  Do we really need to hear that a patient would soil his diapers because he could never make it to the bathroom in time?  Do we really need an account of the last few seconds of the patient’s life (ie: that he died with his eyes wide open)?  Yet, when it comes to the details of a new drug that this particular patient could have taken, we’re told it starts with the letter ‘a’.  Look, I’m all for people coming to the message board for support.  I just question why someone would feel the need to post such graphic details.  It’s not a prerequisite to get the support you need from this message board.  I understand we all grieve in different ways.  I’m all for letting it out.  I just don’t think this is the right forum for such personal details.  Again, I don’t have my head in the sand.  I know the statistics and I know that there is no cure for stage IV kidney cancer.  However, let me ask you one question.  If you knew that posting a message on this board as a therapeutic outlet would make you feel better about your situation but at the same time would make hundreds of cancer patients and caregivers feel worse about their situations, would you post the message?    

 


 

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by Joanne_I on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Wow.  So many negative comments on here.  I am battling RCC after being cancer free for 11 years.  I am on Sutent & doing very well.  I am 52 years old & female.  Just completed round 4.  For all of you who are battling this beast stay strong & positive & remember everyone is different & will react differently.

So sorry to hear about your father Melissa. 

Joanne

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by cancergotme on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Your kidding right?I thought the post had great meaning of a man fighting to live,fighting for another day on this earth.Anyhoo i think it was very emotional and heart felt.God bless Dad.

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by perkins7 on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 6/19/2009 Thereishope wrote:

Also, her sharing her dad's battle with chemo can illustrate maybe these drugs just don't work.

You sure  got alot of responds on this one. I am glad you posted this and so sorry for your loss.

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by Thereishope on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Canada Orange,

       I can understand Melissa's venting.  People should be aware of what cancer can do to you.  None of my friends knew the horrors.   And people with cancer who have depression should just not read postings saying Missing you Dad because that already itself sounds like a sad note.  There is always hope to cure for someone's cancer even though they are gravely ill.  My family and I prayed earnestly hoping that it would be Jesus's plan that he healed her but that didn't happen.   I always had that hope for my mom until she actually passed away.    It just wasn't part of his plan.  I understand that.  Not everybody knows what having cancer is like.  Most people dying of cancer won't allow others to see them in their conditions.  Had my mom known what could have happen, she could have taken a better approach and still be alive by learning what happened to others.  Just before I woke up this morning, I had a dream of my mom that she was alive because she had taken alternative medicine.  There are miracles out there.  Also, people replying back to Melissa's message about putting this in her diary sounds very unwelcoming for someone grieving terribly.  This website is for both cancer patients and caregivers. I just felt the negative replies that Melissa got would make her even further depressed.  I don't want cancer patients who have depression to get further depressed.  They should know to avoid these posts when they have it titled missing you dad.

 

     

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by cancergotme on Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 AM

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Well put.Don't read something sad if it bothers you,

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by RedWing on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 6/19/2009 Thereishope wrote:

Dear Canada Orange,

       I can understand Melissa's venting.  People should be aware of what cancer can do to you.  None of my friends knew the horrors.   And people with cancer who have depression should just not read postings saying Missing you Dad because that already itself sounds like a sad note.  There is always hope to cure for someone's cancer even though they are gravely ill.  My family and I prayed earnestly hoping that it would be Jesus's plan that he healed her but that didn't happen.   I always had that hope for my mom until she actually passed away.    It just wasn't part of his plan.  I understand that.  Not everybody knows what having cancer is like.  Most people dying of cancer won't allow others to see them in their conditions.  Had my mom known what could have happen, she could have taken a better approach and still be alive by learning what happened to others.  Just before I woke up this morning, I had a dream of my mom that she was alive because she had taken alternative medicine.  There are miracles out there.  Also, people replying back to Melissa's message about putting this in her diary sounds very unwelcoming for someone grieving terribly.  This website is for both cancer patients and caregivers. I just felt the negative replies that Melissa got would make her even further depressed.  I don't want cancer patients who have depression to get further depressed.  They should know to avoid these posts when they have it titled missing you dad.

 

     


 

I completely agree with Canada Orange.  I have read numerous tribute messages to cancer patients who have lost their battles but they never contain 'graphic details' like this one.  To be honest, I was taken completely off guard.  I read these tributes because I like to stay ahead of the curve with regard to treatment options.  I like to find out what has worked and what hasn't worked for other patients. Torisel works splendily for some people and not at all for others.  What does that tell us?  It tells us that each cancer and each cancer patient is different.  We all know that.  Why the need to go into such graphic detail?  Do we really need to know whether someone's eyes were open or closed when they died?  I'm beginning to wonder if this is a cultural thing.  Perhaps we in Amercia have grown accustomed to sensationalism.  Or maybe it's the Facebook craze where we feel the need to document every miniscule detail of our lives.  Coming here for support is fine.  Venting here is also fine.  However, there is a line somewhere out there that divides what is appropriate to write here and what is not appropriate to write here.  Of course, the location of this line is clearly a matter of opinion.  In my humble opinion, I could have done without the graphic details. 

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by cancergotme on Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:00 AM

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We are a country of taboo when it comes to dying.Noone wants to face the fact that everyone and everything dies.Look at your cemataries they are somewhat fancy these days,and for what?To make someone else rich?I am a cancer patient too and will be cremated and leave my insurance to the living.NO STONE,NO SERVICES,NO VIEWING!I'm not afraid to die and i have come to terms with that! Sorry,if i ruffle a few feathers,but it's the truth of the matter!

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by Thereishope on Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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Dear Red Wing,

       I can understand Melissa's graphic details like mentioning the eyes open.  She mentions these details because they haunt her.  There were things about my mom's passing that has bothered me for a long time.  The way things played out with my mom must have rolled in my mind a million times like how could this happen to my mom who was always health conscious and always exercised.  When my mom was subdued with all these drugs during her last week of life and on a respirator in the ICU, tears rolled down her cheeks.  Did that mean she knew she was  going to leave us or was she in pain?  I have read other people's posts about them losing their loved ones.   One has mentioned that her sister was moaning for a few days before she passed.  It kept bothering her because she didn't know if her sister was in pain or still fighting for her life.  Another person wrote that while she was gone for a minute to get something, her mother passed away.  It kept bothering her what happened during that one minute she was gone.  She felt like she wasn't there for her mother.  Losing a loved one is extremely traumatic.  Death is not always what people expect.  It's nothing like the movies.  I had no idea there would be no exchange of communication between my mom and me during her last week of life.  All I could tell her was how much I loved her even though I still had hope that she would be healed.  And I remember a lot of the details that happened to my mom.  When my mom passed away, I felt a piece of me died.  It was the most painful thing that has ever happened to me.    Even more painful than when I gave birth to my three kids (one kid with absolutely no pain medication).   No one wants to see their loved ones suffer. We just don't expect that these things would happen to them.  Not everybody is as fortunate as me to have a loving and supporting husband. He had to deal with my constant venting and crying.  Coming here has also helped me alot because it made me feel not so alone in my loss.   So Melissa's mentioning of these details are things that will haunt her for the rest of her life.  Confronting what happened and knowing that she is not alone in her loss is her road to a very slow recovery.  

 

RE: Missing you dad 5/21/09

by Thereishope on Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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I felt like I needed to make myself more clearer about the things that bothered me.  The things that bothered me a million times were the wrong choices my mom made like the wrong doctors, getting the wrong advice, and the like even though she was health conscious.  I come to this site wondering if my mom had taken this path or that path, would she still be here with us?
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