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Diagnosed Today

by msirishkateg on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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My dad, 76 years old, was diagnosed with prostate cancer today - I am still trying to process this.  He is generally in very good health.  His Gleason Score is a 7.  He will meet with oncologist on August 4th.  Until then I am trying to get a handle on his situation.  His doc said surgery isn't recommended at his age.  Any insight would be appreciated or any similar cases?  Thanks.

Kate

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by RTOG_0521 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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HIFU, if you live near a study (clinical trail)

Invesitgate, good luck

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by summeri56 on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 7/23/2009 msirishkateg wrote:

My dad, 76 years old, was diagnosed with prostate cancer today - I am still trying to process this.  He is generally in very good health.  His Gleason Score is a 7.  He will meet with oncologist on August 4th.  Until then I am trying to get a handle on his situation.  His doc said surgery isn't recommended at his age.  Any insight would be appreciated or any similar cases?  Thanks.

Kate


 

I think I would get a second opinion.My dad is 89 and had benign prostate disease,He had surgery to rheam out the prostate but it left him having to wear a catheter the rest of his life,but at his age they still did the surgery.(?)He also had a friend in his late 70's had prostate cancer they did not operate either on him it is a slow growing cancer,but he ultimately died a couple years ago.But I would get a second opinion.

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by Johnt on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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Kate,

At your dad's age either radiation or hormone therapy would be the recommended treatments. It takes prostate cancer a long time to grow to the point that symptoms occur; with a Gleason 7 he has a lot of time. What was his psa?

JohnT

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by msirishkateg on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi John,

His PSA was 1.5 and I understand that is very good. 

I'm going to look into radiation therapy to see what that will do.

 Thanks,

kate

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by ohnoo on Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:00 AM

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You really do need to look into HIFU, which is High Intensity Focused Ultrasound.  I had it done, it is ultrasound, no pain, no down time, no brainer-easy. It's been in use in Europe for 18 years, but it isn't FDA approved here yet, it's in clinical trials, which I could post all the hospitals and phone numbers for you if you are interested.  Or, if money isn't an option over health care then I recommend going to Mexico or Nassau for treatment, my doctor is from S. Carolina and he travels there with his nurse, anethiesologist and a certified mechanic to monitor the Sonablate machine every weekend. $25,000.  I understand there are 12 U.S. doctors traveling outside the US to treat men.

Yes, there are stories of problems with HIFU, but not nearly like the complication rate of surgery or radiation (complications with radiation come a year to three out), and if your doctor is well experienced then your risk of a problem is near zip with HIFU.

The only difference between the Ablatherm and the Sonablate ultrasound machines is the Ablatherm is robotic, while the Sonablate is manipulated by a doctor using a computer mouse seeing a real time 3-D image.

Here is some clinical trial data:

http://hifu.wordpress.com/2006/11/01/outcome-analysis-of-hig

Nov. 2006

Materials and Methods

This series comprises 340 patients who were treated with Sonablate® HIFU devices (Focus Surgery, IN, USA) patients with a minimum follow-up of one year. During follow-up, prostatic biopsies and PSA level measurements were performed to determine the failure as 3 consecutive rises in the PSA according to the ASTRO definition. None of the patients received androgen deprivation prior to documenting biochemical failure. Kaplan-Meier curves and log-rank test were used for analysis.

Results

The median age and PSA level were 68 years (range 45-88) and 9.5 ng/ml (range 3.1 to 154), respectively. Stage was attributed as follows: T1c in 173, T2a in 106, T2b in 47 and T3 in 14 patients. The median follow-up period for all patients was 23.2 months (range 3 to 86).

The average biochemical disease-free survival (bDFS) at 5 years in all patients was 70%.

 The bDFS at 5 years for patients with low, intermediate and high risk groups were 90%, 65% and 57%, respectively (p<0.0001).

The bDFS at 5 years for patients with PSA less than 10 ng/ml, 10-20 ng/ml and more than 30 ng/ml were 88%, 68% and 17%, respectively (p<0.0001). 78% had negative biopsies from a mean of 6 cores 6 months after HIFU.

Conclusions

HIFU appears to be both an effective and well tolerated procedure for men with localized prostate cancer.

I fall in the 90% biochemical disease-free survival (bDFS) statistic.  Yeah!

Good luck, he has a great daughter.

RE: Diagnosed Today

by jcr65566 on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Kate I feel sad  for what your both going though this may help I know you haven't told us his PSA yet but, with his Gleason Score at 7. his PSA should be low about between 4 to 10, So it look like his immune system been taking care of the adinocarinoma in his prostrate.  Id just take your your doctor advice that "surgery not recommended at his age. " What I'm saying is, if his PSA low he probably got an other 10 to 12 years before it start to get to bad, looks like, what his doctor saying  to do is, go on watch and waiting, then get PSA  tested, Evey three months, and if his PSA starts going up, then he can then talk about going  on anti-androgen treatment , but you know, there are things he can do to help his prostate cancer,  like a low sugar ,and a low Low-carbohydrate diet. See the links

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/071113/low-

http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/collections/low+carb

also Vitamin suplemants like high dos vitamin C can also help

http://www.virtualmedicalcentre.com/news.asp?artid=7230&

 all the best Ray

RE: Diagnosed Today

by Badmamazoo on Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:00 AM

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Kate,

 Also consider cryosurgery. Its an overnight stay in the hospital and its only side affect is impotence, some pain for a few days and generally subsiding incontinence. It can be done with general anesthesia or local anesthesia and it is as effective as radiation. Cryosurgery is covered by Medicare as a primary treatment. Let me know by a private message if you would like further info.

Joe

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by Chrystalluna on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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Joe;

Do they do cryosurgery if there is metastis in the bones and lymph nodes?

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by Badmamazoo on Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:00 AM

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Chrystalluna,

 

Cryosurgery is a primary treatment and is also used for salvage for failed radiation therapy. As with any primary treatment, it is not effective and therefore, not used,  if there is evidence of distant metastasis. In such cases, hormonal therapy is used.

 

Joe

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