colon and liver cancer

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colon and liver cancer

by alabamagal on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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hi , i am a 45 year old . and just found out the my husban who is 50 years old  has colon and liver cancer and he has decied not to have the tumer removed from his colon , since it is in his liver and other parts of his body and i asked his doctor just how long we are taking about that my husband will have left , since he does not want any treatment of any kind. can some please help me out on this cause i need to know . the doctor said if he did not remove this large tumor from my husbands colon it can exploded and kill him on the spot . but it will not help anything else because the has spread though out his orgins . and this is ripping my heart out  to think i am losing my husband and my best friend . so can any one tell how long my husband will live with treatment ?

thank you for your help and support

helen

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by mrready on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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Helen,

No one on this board is able to answer your question.  When you say colon and liver cancer, is it colon cancer that has metastacized to the liver? You also say "other parts of his body", can you be more specific?  Colon cancer that has only metastacized to the liver is potentially curable. Even if it has metastacized beyond that chemotherapy can shrink it and hold it stable.

I'm not sure why your husband is declining treatment. Is he afraid of surgery and chemo?  He could potentially just have chemo.  In some rectal cancer cases, they don't remove the original tumor.  If he was diagnosed in 1994 the average life span would have been 8 months.  If he was diagnosed in 2004, the average life span would be 30 months, because of the new chemo drugs. Who knows how long someone can live who is diagnosed today?  The next advancement could come out next week.  I was originally diagnosed in Jan 2007.  I have more advanced cancer today, but chemo is slowing it down.  I have very few side effects and live a fairly normal life.  Please try and convince your husband to give medicine a chance.  If he has a bad time with one chemo, they can try another.  Folfox (one chemo regimen) put me on disability in 2007.  Folfiri causes me very few side effects and is very effective for me.  Everyone is different and there are about 6 chemo drugs to try. 

Good Luck

Jack

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by HIGH_STRUNG_DAUGHTER on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Helen, I don't think any of us would be able to tell you an accurate amount of time your husband could have left with or without treatments.  Back up...I'm so sorry you are going through this first off..sorry to jump right in without saying that first.  My Dad at 53 years old was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer (spread to liver and his whole abdominal lining) in April of 2008.  They could not remove his tumor, but he has done pretty well with treatments.  He doesn't have surgery options for his based on how quickly his seems to creep back up and the location etc.  I would talk to the oncologist because if he can get the tumor removed (I know it won't be all of it) and then do some treatment you could find yourself to be in the group of people that have loved one's beat the disease or live for five or more years!  I know right now that seems horrible to think of only five years but I do know that if he does nothing it will more than likely end his life...not sure at all how long he would live.  I know everything is in God's hands with my Dad (and your husband) but with the amazing treatments they have available I think you will find it's worth fighting for your husbands life!  If treatments don't work they can try other one's but it is worth a shot in my opinion. I will say that there is a big lesson you will learn living in the "cancer world".  My Mom has a million things she want my Dad to do and she used to tell him ALL the time.  The best thing she has learned is that no one can make him do anything.  If we pushed our Dad into treatments but his heart was not in it there wouldn't have been the response he has gotten.  SO much of this fight is mental.  If his heart and head aren't in it, his body will tend to "follow suit".  I know it's so overwhelming and you feel no hope but remember that as horrible as this entire journey is, the medical parts of it will begin to make sense once you allow yourself time to get over the horrible shock you've been through.  The best thing you can do is help your husband by getting educated and make sure he is educated on every aspect of this disease and it's treatments.  If he learns all he can and has asked every question he needs to and then still wants to do nothing with regards to treatment then you have to handle the situation together as husband and wife, just like I"m sure you have all the years you've been married.  I know I'm rambling but I'm trying to get some hope to you right away.  I too posted on this site when I was at your point and you are frantic.  I will pray for you so much, especially these first few weeks when you're finding a new "normal" in your life.  Please keep us posted on you and your husband.  Take care, 

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by alabamagal on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 7/27/2009 HIGH STRUNG DAUGHTER wrote:

Hi Helen, I don't think any of us would be able to tell you an accurate amount of time your husband could have left with or without treatments.  Back up...I'm so sorry you are going through this first off..sorry to jump right in without saying that first.  My Dad at 53 years old was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer (spread to liver and his whole abdominal lining) in April of 2008.  They could not remove his tumor, but he has done pretty well with treatments.  He doesn't have surgery options for his based on how quickly his seems to creep back up and the location etc.  I would talk to the oncologist because if he can get the tumor removed (I know it won't be all of it) and then do some treatment you could find yourself to be in the group of people that have loved one's beat the disease or live for five or more years!  I know right now that seems horrible to think of only five years but I do know that if he does nothing it will more than likely end his life...not sure at all how long he would live.  I know everything is in God's hands with my Dad (and your husband) but with the amazing treatments they have available I think you will find it's worth fighting for your husbands life!  If treatments don't work they can try other one's but it is worth a shot in my opinion. I will say that there is a big lesson you will learn living in the "cancer world".  My Mom has a million things she want my Dad to do and she used to tell him ALL the time.  The best thing she has learned is that no one can make him do anything.  If we pushed our Dad into treatments but his heart was not in it there wouldn't have been the response he has gotten.  SO much of this fight is mental.  If his heart and head aren't in it, his body will tend to "follow suit".  I know it's so overwhelming and you feel no hope but remember that as horrible as this entire journey is, the medical parts of it will begin to make sense once you allow yourself time to get over the horrible shock you've been through.  The best thing you can do is help your husband by getting educated and make sure he is educated on every aspect of this disease and it's treatments.  If he learns all he can and has asked every question he needs to and then still wants to do nothing with regards to treatment then you have to handle the situation together as husband and wife, just like I"m sure you have all the years you've been married.  I know I'm rambling but I'm trying to get some hope to you right away.  I too posted on this site when I was at your point and you are frantic.  I will pray for you so much, especially these first few weeks when you're finding a new "normal" in your life.  Please keep us posted on you and your husband.  Take care, 

hi , how are you doing ? as for me im falling apart

the thing is my husband dont want to have the tumor removed and he dont want to go through any chemo either , and the sad thing is i have only been married to he for 3 years i thought i would be growing old with him but that isnt going to happen not now not ever

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by Paula777 on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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When was your husband diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer?  Maybe this is a brand new diagnosis and he unaware of all the advances made in recent years.  Maybe read the stories here -- cptmac and Barb & Robs, and my own stories about my cousin and husband.  And you'll see that there are survivors of this terrible disease.  Yes, it is your husband's fight.  And yes, he may just decline to fight it.  I'm not God and neither are the doctors, and so it would be imprudent of either myself or the doctors (any doctor) to give you a hard and fast "time line" of how much time your dear husband to expect.

 Relay this message to him.  My husband was diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer in March 2009.  The doctors told him he had only 3-6 months to live, because he had inoperable mets to his retroperitoneam.  Liver met, while clearly not very good and nobody wants them, are generally easier to deal with than anything to do with the peritoneal cavity. But oddly enough, after surgery, my husband's CEA rate was only point six.  And now he's gone for two PET/CT scans -- 3 months apart -- and both are showing no evidence of disease.  Will he be one of the growing number of Stage IV colon cancer survivors?  Be aware that Stage IV colon cancer five year survivorship for those diagnosed in 2004 now stands at 30%.  These are folks like your husband with advanced metastatic disease.  Before it was a dismal 8%.... now it's officially 30% ... and these five years survivor statistics DO NOT include folks diagnosed today in 2009.  There have been many new advances in chemotherapies and treatments (i.e., cyber knife, heated chemo etc.).  Maybe you can convince your husband to read this and other posts from people like us.  

Here's what kept my husband optimistic and thinking from the start that he can really beat this disease -- or at least give a good run for his money!  My cousin was told to go home, write his will, get his personal affairs in order because he had advanced rectal cancer that had spread to his liver and lungs.  He did this, but I remember visiting him in hospital and he said, he did not think it was his time.  After surgery he went home, did the chemo (Xeloda) and the radiation, and his wife became the ultimate health food nazi.  She took care of him and let him focus in on himself.  The tumors shrank to the point were they could be ressected --- and this is long before cyber-knife surgical techniques.  Then he was pretty good for a while - say about a year, then his CEA rates creeped back up.  Then he discovered he had a met on his tailbone.  They took his tailbone and again, he underwent chemo and radiation.  He lived on the couch and watched hockey games all day -- or else slept.  He got really skinny ... but he was living past the doctor's original prediction of only 3 to 6 months.  For several years, he underwent chemo on and off, and go figure after about four years of this... his PET scans started coming back, showing "no evidence of disease" -- or NED in the language of cancer.  Today, 17 years later, my cousin is a stage 4 colorectal cancer survivor.  He is now 66, and has recently even outlived the doctor who originally gave him the dire prognosis of only 3 to 6 months tops.  

cptmac is a survivor.  Read his stories.  You may find that clinical trials are the way to go.  It certainly helped cptmac!  Then there is Barb and Rob, who are fighting the big fight together as a team.  I'm fighting this with my husband too.  

Sure it's only been 5 months since my husbands diagnosis and surgery to remove 2 parts of his colon.  The surgeon could not remove all the cancer, however, because his peritoneum was speckled with confetti like tumors.  But somehow, these tumors have died or at least, they are being kept at bay by the chemo he's been undergoing .   Strangely enough, he's gaining weight, getting his appetite back (even though he's on chemo) and he's walking and talking and today was his very first day back at work (light duty) at a job he loves.  He does not need to work -  this is not a nose-to-the-grindstone decision on his part.  He just likes his job and the camaraderie of his colleagues.  He got home a few hours ago after putting in a light day totaling 5 hours.  He first started rooting around for food, said he was hungry.  We had lunch.  Then he started working on his car.  Now he's downtown picking up parts at Auto Zone.  And said to me before he left for downtown, that he'd like to maybe go see the new Nicolas Cage movie -- if he's up to it.  If he is up to it ... gee whiz, this is the lifestyle of a man with "terminal" cancer who was only given 3-6 months to live.  It's been five months now and holy hot tamales, he does not look anywhere close to death to me.  

Yes, cancer can and does take lives.  But it oftentimes does not.  But please encourage your husband to fight it, as he's likely labouring under false impressions of the outcomes based on outdated statistics.  As my husband's oncologist said to him -- after the surgeon gave him 3-6 months tops to live -- take one day at a time.  And that in his practice, he's seeing more and more supposedly "terminal" cancer patients live much longer than anytime previously.  I hope my husband Fuzzy will be one of them.  And I hope you can encourage your husband to at least try.  At minimum, he can receive paliative care chemotherapies to help slow the cancer and lessen his pain.  And if he's lucky -- and responds well the the chemo just as my husband is responding well... he might be able to kick cancer in the butt.  Just remember, Lance Armstong was once terminal, and he went on to win how many Tour d Frances?  

Paula Jean       

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by alabamagal on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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hi, how are you doing . as for me i am falling a part . i keep crying every time i think of my husband having cancer , and i am having trouble dealing with this. my husband was dinosed with stage 5 today and i cant convince him to get the treatments cause he dont want to . so what im i to do ?  can you please tell me this how did you deal with it when you found out that your husband had cancer?

 thanks

helen

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by Sagitelle on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 7/27/2009 alabamagal wrote:

hi , i am a 45 year old . and just found out the my husban who is 50 years old  has colon and liver cancer and he has decied not to have the tumer removed from his colon , since it is in his liver and other parts of his body and i asked his doctor just how long we are taking about that my husband will have left , since he does not want any treatment of any kind. can some please help me out on this cause i need to know . the doctor said if he did not remove this large tumor from my husbands colon it can exploded and kill him on the spot . but it will not help anything else because the has spread though out his orgins . and this is ripping my heart out  to think i am losing my husband and my best friend . so can any one tell how long my husband will live with treatment ?

thank you for your help and support

helen


I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in May 2007 at the age of 52. I was told I could live 3-6 months without chemo and 2-3 years with chemo. Removing the rumour from my colon was pointless. I had chemotherapy, which reduced the size of the largest tumours on my liver considerably and my abdomen returned to its normal size. The numerous tumours on my liver were kept under control for a good 2 years but, now, I've exhausted all forms of chemo and my tumours have geown again and are almost as large as they were in 2007. I'm now waiting to be accepted in a program for infusion of Vectibix, a monoclonal antibody that could give me an extra 3 months or so to live.

Was chemo worth it? You bet! It bought me time along with a good quality of life. I'd do it over again in a heartbeat if it still worked. 

I hope this is helpful. 

 

  

 

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by alabamagal on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 7/27/2009 Sagitelle wrote:

 

On 7/27/2009 alabamagal wrote:

hi , i am a 45 year old . and just found out the my husban who is 50 years old  has colon and liver cancer and he has decied not to have the tumer removed from his colon , since it is in his liver and other parts of his body and i asked his doctor just how long we are taking about that my husband will have left , since he does not want any treatment of any kind. can some please help me out on this cause i need to know . the doctor said if he did not remove this large tumor from my husbands colon it can exploded and kill him on the spot . but it will not help anything else because the has spread though out his orgins . and this is ripping my heart out  to think i am losing my husband and my best friend . so can any one tell how long my husband will live with treatment ?

thank you for your help and support

helen


I was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in May 2007 at the age of 52. I was told I could live 3-6 months without chemo and 2-3 years with chemo. Removing the rumour from my colon was pointless. I had chemotherapy, which reduced the size of the largest tumours on my liver considerably and my abdomen returned to its normal size. The numerous tumours on my liver were kept under control for a good 2 years but, now, I've exhausted all forms of chemo and my tumours have geown again and are almost as large as they were in 2007. I'm now waiting to be accepted in a program for infusion of Vectibix, a monoclonal antibody that could give me an extra 3 months or so to live.

Was chemo worth it? You bet! It bought me time along with a good quality of life. I'd do it over again in a heartbeat if it still worked. 

I hope this is helpful. 

 

  

hello , i know that my husband  will not be  in september

because he don't want surgery or chemo

so i am trying  to figure out how i deal with this

and still be strong  for him  , i am alway crying  and i feel like my world is ending  i don't know how to deal with him having cancer  and i don't want him to die  but we were  told today that there is no hope for him because he is in the last stages of this cancer and he might get 2 months of life  but i can just set back and act like my heart isnt breaking  because it is . so tell me how do i say goodbye to my husband  and my best friend when he dies ?

helen

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by Paula777 on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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Helen,

I was told my husband was in the last stages of cancer too.  He is still here.  Please encourage your doctors to give him chemotherapy and perhaps remove the tumours once they reach a size that can be operated on.  At the very least, the chemotherapy will make him more comfortable in his final months.  But again, do not believe the doctors.  They told me my husband would be dead now or about now, and he's asking me to get him a sandwich to eat.  He's very much alive. 

Paula Jean

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by Paula777 on Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Helen,

Like most of us here, we know what you're going through.  A stage IV cancer diagnosis is very hard and very scary.  But please visit this link.  This contributor (and many, many others) really helped me cope, especially during the darkest hours shortly after learning that my new husband of only a few months has "incurable" stage IV colon cancer.  http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,38313

Paula Jean

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