Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

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Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by jcr65566 on Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:00 AM

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I have just been to my doctor Good news, My PSA come down again, I know it only a couple of points, but it some thing any way . This treatment is very slow but I supose it has to be that way, my doctor offered me hormone therapy but I refuse it, as I don't want my prostate cancer to go from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer, as I've seen with a lot if poor patient on this site, I feel if I was on the hormone therapy, this is what would happen, As the hormone therapy kills off the antigen dependent cancer it leaves behind The very dangers antigen independent cancer. I've been on the red clover now for 11 months I use to use promensil. but my doctor said it made for woman. not men .I cant see what he on about. both products look the same to me The product I use now The one prescribe by my doctor called Trinovin it made by Novogen it also contains Red clover and is a natural Isoflovones dietary supplement this is made for patients who have condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), or benign prostatic hypertrophy.

BHP which I've got any way, But instead of the normal dose of just 40mg I take two 40mg tablets 80mg at night and two 40mg tablets 80mg in the morning

from there site

http://www.discountnaturalhealth.com/prod538.htm?utm_source=

What it does:

Every man needs a healthy prostate. Novogen Trinovin is a natural isoflavone dietary supplement that can maintain normal prostate and urinary function, health and quality of life in men, particularly those over 45 years of age. Trinovin has been developed following original scientific research and clinical trials in men.

Research has found that 50% of men over the age of 50 will suffer from some form of prostate or urinary problem. Trinovin is a natural dietary supplement that contains isoflavones, known to contribute to the maintenance of prostate health.

What is in it?

Red Clover - Trinovin contains 40 mg of the four isoflavones derived from red clover (Trifolium pratense).

My doctor told me yesterday there just one problem with this if a patient has had hormone therapy the Trinovin may not work because the cancer receptor on the cancer have been changed and gone from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer,

All the best Ray

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by angelface on Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 8/10/2009 jcr65566 wrote:

I have just been to my doctor Good news, My PSA come down again, I know it only a couple of points, but it some thing any way . This treatment is very slow but I supose it has to be that way, my doctor offered me hormone therapy but I refuse it, as I don't want my prostate cancer to go from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer, as I've seen with a lot if poor patient on this site, I feel if I was on the hormone therapy, this is what would happen, As the hormone therapy kills off the antigen dependent cancer it leaves behind The very dangers antigen independent cancer. I've been on the red clover now for 11 months I use to use promensil. but my doctor said it made for woman. not men .I cant see what he on about. both products look the same to me The product I use now The one prescribe by my doctor called Trinovin it made by Novogen it also contains Red clover and is a natural Isoflovones dietary supplement this is made for patients who have condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), or benign prostatic hypertrophy.

BHP which I've got any way, But instead of the normal dose of just 40mg I take two 40mg tablets 80mg at night and two 40mg tablets 80mg in the morning

from there site

http://www.discountnaturalhealth.com/prod538.htm?utm_source=

What it does:

Every man needs a healthy prostate. Novogen Trinovin is a natural isoflavone dietary supplement that can maintain normal prostate and urinary function, health and quality of life in men, particularly those over 45 years of age. Trinovin has been developed following original scientific research and clinical trials in men.

Research has found that 50% of men over the age of 50 will suffer from some form of prostate or urinary problem. Trinovin is a natural dietary supplement that contains isoflavones, known to contribute to the maintenance of prostate health.

What is in it?

Red Clover - Trinovin contains 40 mg of the four isoflavones derived from red clover (Trifolium pratense).

My doctor told me yesterday there just one problem with this if a patient has had hormone therapy the Trinovin may not work because the cancer receptor on the cancer have been changed and gone from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer,

All the best Ray

Dear Ray that is wonder full news God is looking after you.

       God bless suzette

 

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by skidan on Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:00 AM

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Ray

Thats great news! Isn't it amazing that two layman across the World can figure out an effective alternative treatment and traditional medicine won't research it or use it with conjunction of traditional medicine. We both have advanced prostate cancer, which there is no cure according to Web MD, and we are winning the battle.

God Bless

Dan

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by jcr65566 on Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi suzette I think it grate to, you know ever test Iv done over the last 11 month has  shows it going down slowly This is the fourth time in a row . my psa three month test has shown it been going down  It very slow, This works because the isoflavones mimic testoerone taking it place on the cancer receptor, there by blocking it  has to be this slow Im concerned if I do it to fast. I get in to truble  I was told it would knock of to meny antigan depenent cancer cells, and what would be left is antigan indepent cancer cells, this is what Im waried about my cancer turning into antigan indepent cancer then I would be realy up the creak but it all working out ok cheers Ray

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by Badmamazoo on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:00 AM

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Ray,

 Some way, somehow,you gotta find a way to get the pomegranite capsules. My psa, which rose 40% in six months, stayed level in my last 3 month test. I have no doubt it was due to the pomegranate. Talk to your customs office if you have to. Maybe your doctor (who seems to be wonderful) could also help.

 Anyhow, I am happy to see your psa continues to fall and I extend my condolences to your dear friend. It is always sad when someone losses the fight.

Regards,

 Joe 

  

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by jcr65566 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:00 AM

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Hi Joe and your right , by the way  how much do yo have, I forgot about the caps, I found out this site this morning so it seem I can get them in Australia. I was surfing the net  this morning and I found  an Austrian site that do sell both http://www.keysun.com.au/clearhealth.html#Pomegranate a the best joe cheers Ray

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by jcr65566 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 12:00 AM

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hi Dan look like my post to you was remove again . I was talking about what my doctor told me about the pit fales of what  Im doing and how both our treatments work. it a shame as the post  contaned  a lot of realy good information from my doctor  and also part of a study he give me on where I was saying I think your one better  Im  geting a lot of post on other sites on what were both doing so a lot of people must be reading your book  "Avanced prostate cancer and me "  Dan any way all the best old frend Ray  

http://doctorwascher.com/Archives/10-12-08.htm  

ps hear the full artical  

POMEGRANATE JUICE & PROSTATE CANCER

According to the American Cancer Society, an estimated 186,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in the United States in 2008, while nearly 30,000 will die of the disease over the same period.  Prostate cancer is, therefore, the most common cancer that affects men, and the second most common cause of cancer-associated death (after lung cancer) in men.  Over the past decade, the long-term survival rate for prostate cancer has increased markedly, with more than 90% of patients surviving 10 years or more after diagnosis.  The development of a blood test for prostate cancer, the PSA (prostate specific antigen) test, has significantly improved our ability to detect prostate cancer at an early stage, which means that, increasingly, this disease is being diagnosed when it is still amenable to cure.

Biologically active compounds in pomegranate juice, known as ellagitannins, are known to have powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects.  These  powerful dietary antioxidants are related, chemically, to the antioxidants also found in green tea, which is another area of intense focus in cancer prevention research (please review my archived columns for reviews of important and recently published research on the potential health effects of green tea).

Previous research studies, looking at human prostate cancer cells growing in cell cultures, and implanted in mice as well, have suggested potential cancer prevention and cancer treatment roles for pomegranate juice extracts.  In a recently published clinical study, pomegranate juice supplements were found to slow down the progression of recurrent prostate cancer in patients who had previously undergone treatment with surgery or radiation therapy.  Moreover, when the serum of these patients was added to cell cultures containing human prostate cancer cells, the serum collected after patients consumed pomegranate juice both slowed down the growth of the prostate cancer cells and increased the death rate of these same cells.

A new research study, just published in the journal Molecular Cancer Therapeutics by scientists at UCLA, adds important new information about the possible role of pomegranate juice in the prevention and treatment of prostate cancer.  

Nuclear Factor Kappa-B, or NF-κB, consists of a group of proteins referred to, collectively, as transcription factors.  Transcription factors act by activating multiple genes in both normal cells and cancer.  Activation of the NF-κB signaling pathway turns on a variety of genes that appear to play an important role in the development and progression of many cancers, including prostate cancer.  NF-κB has also been implicated in the effects of chronic inflammation on the development of several cancers, including prostate cancer.  Moreover, activation of NF-κB also appears to enable cancer cells to resist the effects of chemotherapy and other cancer treatments, and appears to be linked with more aggressive tumor biology, and a resulting increase in the risk of cancer recurrence. 

While almost all prostate cancer cells are initially sensitive to hormonal therapies that block the male sex hormones (androgens), patients with advanced prostate cancer who are treated with androgen blocking agents will eventually develop prostate cancer cells that are resistant (or androgen-independent) to such therapies.  When metastatic prostate cancer tumors become androgen-independent, these tumors then become unresponsive to most clinical therapies.

In this study, pomegranate extract was added to androgen-independent human prostate cancer cells in the laboratory, resulting in an inhibition of NF-κB that was proportional to the amount of pomegranate extract that was added.  This inhibition of the NF-κB pathway, which was induced by pomegranate extract, also resulted in a decreased rate of growth of the androgen-independent prostate cancer cells, as well as an increased death rate among these cells.

When androgen-sensitive human prostate cancer tumors are transplanted into mice, they gradually become androgen-independent following castration of the mice.  In this research study, the authors also implanted androgen-sensitive human prostate cancer cells into laboratory mice.  Some mice were given pomegranate extract or pomegranate juice, while other mice were not given any pomegranate supplements.  Subsequently, as the transplanted prostate cancer cells began to grow into tumors, all mice were then castrated to induce androgen insensitivity in their implanted tumors.  The authors subsequently found that the mice that had received pomegranate supplements developed significantly smaller tumors when compared to the mice that had not received pomegranate extract.  Moreover, the development of androgen insensitive tumors was significantly delayed in the mice that had received the pomegranate supplement, suggesting that pomegranate extract may not only be able to shrink prostate cancer tumors, but may also be able to maintain prostate cancer cells in the more favorable androgen-sensitive state.  PSA levels in the blood of the mice that received the pomegranate extract were also significantly lower than what was observed in the control animals that did not receive the extract in their diets.  All of these favorable effects that were observed in the mice that had received pomegranate extract appeared to be linked directly to an inhibition of the NF-κB signaling pathway.

The results of this study are highly intriguing, as they suggest that, at least in mice, pomegranate extracts may be able to slow prostate cancer cell growth, as well as significantly delaying the transition of prostate tumors from the more favorable androgen-sensitive state to the treatment-resistant androgen-insensitive state.  Because rising levels of NF-κB activity have previously been linked to the development of prostate cancer, as well as to the increased biological aggressiveness of prostate cancer cells, the inhibition of NF-κB with pomegranate extracts could conceivably reduce the risk of developing prostate cancer and might also reduce the growth rate and aggressiveness of already established prostate cancer.  Additionally, and importantly, the results of this study suggest that NF-κB, itself, probably plays a dominant role in the development of androgen independence in prostate cancer tumors, and, therefore, that blocking NF-κB with pomegranate extract may maintain metastatic prostate cancer tumors in the more treatable androgen-sensitive state.

But, before you go to your local grocery store and buy all of the pomegranates that they have in stock, there are a couple of important caveats that must be mentioned.  First, as I always note with laboratory studies that involve cells growing in a Petrie dish, or tumor cells implanted into laboratory animals, there is absolutely no guarantee that human patients will respond in the same ways as were observed in the laboratory.  A second caveat is that the mice utilized in this research study were fed the daily equivalent of 10 times as much pomegranate extract and juice as an ordinary human is likely to take in a day.  Whether or not smaller and more reasonable amounts of pomegranate supplementation will produce the same beneficial effects (in either mice or humans!) remains to be seen. 

Finally, this study was supported with funding from the dominant producer of pomegranates and pomegranate juice in the United States.  As I have previously mentioned, one always has to be cautious when interpreting research studies that were conducted with the financial support of companies that have a commercial stake in the outcomes of such studies.  In this case, the authors of this study presented an exceptional degree of scientific data to support their conclusions, including significant molecular biology experiments supporting their claims that NF-κB activity was directly involved in the biological aggressiveness of prostate cancer cells, and that pomegranate extract supplementation appeared to directly inhibit the NF-κB pathway.

Although the results of this study cannot tell us if pomegranate juice is able to either prevent prostate cancer in humans or decrease its aggressiveness once it has already developed, there have been very few reports of any apparent serious ill affects associated with pomegranate juice consumption.  And so, for most people, a swig or two of pomegranate juice a day shouldn’t be a problem.  However, you should still check with your physician before consuming significant quantities of pomegranate juice, as there have been some reports of adverse reactions involving heart and cholesterol-lowering medications (pomegranate juice appears to increase the blood levels of certain medications, which may lead to significant adverse health reactions).   


Disclaimer:  As always, my advice to readers is to seek the advice of your physician before making any significant changes in medications, diet, or level of physical activity.

 

Dr. Wascher is an oncologic surgeon, professor of surgery, a widely published author, and the Director of the Division of Surgical Oncology at Newark Beth Israel Medical Center

http://www.sbhcs.com/hospitals/newark_beth_israel/mservices/

 

Send your feedback to Dr. Wascher at rwascher@doctorwascher.net
  

RE: Good news prostrate cancer and Trinovin

by CarolKM on Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:00 AM

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On 8/10/2009 jcr65566 wrote:

I have just been to my doctor Good news, My PSA come down again, I know it only a couple of points, but it some thing any way . This treatment is very slow but I supose it has to be that way, my doctor offered me hormone therapy but I refuse it, as I don't want my prostate cancer to go from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer, as I've seen with a lot if poor patient on this site, I feel if I was on the hormone therapy, this is what would happen, As the hormone therapy kills off the antigen dependent cancer it leaves behind The very dangers antigen independent cancer. I've been on the red clover now for 11 months I use to use promensil. but my doctor said it made for woman. not men .I cant see what he on about. both products look the same to me The product I use now The one prescribe by my doctor called Trinovin it made by Novogen it also contains Red clover and is a natural Isoflovones dietary supplement this is made for patients who have condition called benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH), or benign prostatic hypertrophy.

BHP which I've got any way, But instead of the normal dose of just 40mg I take two 40mg tablets 80mg at night and two 40mg tablets 80mg in the morning

from there site

http://www.discountnaturalhealth.com/prod538.htm?utm_source=

What it does:

Every man needs a healthy prostate. Novogen Trinovin is a natural isoflavone dietary supplement that can maintain normal prostate and urinary function, health and quality of life in men, particularly those over 45 years of age. Trinovin has been developed following original scientific research and clinical trials in men.

Research has found that 50% of men over the age of 50 will suffer from some form of prostate or urinary problem. Trinovin is a natural dietary supplement that contains isoflavones, known to contribute to the maintenance of prostate health.

What is in it?

Red Clover - Trinovin contains 40 mg of the four isoflavones derived from red clover (Trifolium pratense).

My doctor told me yesterday there just one problem with this if a patient has had hormone therapy the Trinovin may not work because the cancer receptor on the cancer have been changed and gone from an antigen dependent cancer to antigen independent cancer,

All the best Ray


Your psa coming down is a good sign,however my late husbands oncologist at Hershey Medical Center in Pa.( one of the best in the country ) told my husband repeatedly that psa is only one indicator of what the cancer is doing.Have you had a bone scan lately?There is also something they look for in the blood test that shows if the bones are being affected and breaking down. So please,do not rely on psa alone.
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