Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

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RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by TucsonTom on Tue Aug 03, 2010 07:34 PM

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I had stage 3 cholangio carcinoma surgey almost 4 years ago and drink that rene caisse tea, alhough most predicted my ca would come back it hasn't up till now, I don't sell the stuff there are many vendors of it if you google it.

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by MiaNony on Tue Aug 03, 2010 09:30 PM

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I was reading about resistance to change. About 65% of people respond to bad news by resisting new information. Apparently there is some evidence that most, if not all, of the stages that are usually part of the grief process also seem to occur when people are asked to respond to any kind of new information, especially any which makes them feel they may have to change the way they view the world.

So this means any kind of change, anything "different" than what most know or think they already know, even any change with the potential to offer improvement or greater survival odds, even one for which these demographic really has nothing to lose by trying, may still pose too much of a threat to their world view. And so the fact of any change, good, bad, or simply strange or new, which is the one thing over which we really have no control, may well be met with the five stages of Denial, Anger, Negotiation, Depression, Acceptance - or a combination of some if not all of the above.

This may apply to ANY change, terminal illness, catastrophic personal loss, change of job or income, loss or even gain of freedom, as well as significant life events such as the death of a loved one, news of infertility, divorce, realization of drug addiction, news of critical illness, disillusionment with conventional medicine, or many other tragedies or disasters.

STAGE ONE: DENIAL: Usually, there is emotional resistance or denial:

Either "I (or my loved one or friend) feel fine" or "This cannot be happening to me" or "Everyone I know or ever heard of uses this same kind of treatment so it must be the right one and I think it is the only way to go"

STAGE TWO: ANGER: "How CAN this be happening to ME?" "Why me?" "It's not fair." "Who is to blame?" "Why do other people think that whatever else they tried, stuff that they claim worked, makes them so right anyway?""Who do they think they are to tell me that what I am doing may be either useless or harmful, especially when so many people have used it?"  

Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial of change cannot continue. Because of the emerging anger which now replaces the denial, the person can become difficult to approach or support or care for due to misplaced feelings of rage or envy.

Any individual that seems to symbolize life or energy, including anyone who may have extend an offer of support, answers, wisdom, (even a cancer survivor, for instance) is now subject to projected resentment and jealousy

STAGE THREE: BARGAINING: "Just let me/he/she live to see my/our children graduate."; "I'll do absolutely anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..." .  

The third stage of resistance to change involves the hope that one can somehow postpone or buy the delay of what one now sees as approaching death. Usually, but not always, there may be attempt to negotiate for extension of life by the endorsement of the status quo. This deal making may be attempted with either a doctor and/or a higher power, in exchange for the promise of a reformed lifestyle.

Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I/he/she may or will likely die, but look how I am doing everything I am supposed to do now. I may not be about to change anything about what I happen to know, but I am going to continue to use the comfort of approved familiar treatments. Look how I am being co-operative and compliant. So if I could just arrange to have a bit more time, please?"

STAGE FOUR: DEPRESSION: "I'm so sad"; "This is not working"; "Why bother with anything?"; "I/he/she is obviously going to die anyway... What's the point?"; "Everyone dies of cancer, so why did I think I/he/she would be any different?"; "I already miss my loved one and they are still here"; "Why go on?" 

During the fourth stage, the person often lets go of any idea of being a proactive advocate for their loved one or themselves and begins to shift perspective to accept a belief in the non negotiable certainty of death.

Because of this, the individual may become silent, may refuse visitors, reject help, scorn support, refuse or ignore advice, and may instead spend much of the time crying and grieving.

There will often emerge an air of RESIGNATION which now settles around the person. This process sometimes allows the person to decide to accept their own belief that there are no alternatives.  At this stage they may (or may not) resign themselves to dying or losing someone who is dying. This in turn gives them permission to begin to disconnect from things concerned with love and affection. In some cases, even if they are faced with  evidence of hope or improvement in other cases, this person has now decided to conform with what they now see as immutable fate.

At this point, unless depression somehow becomes converted into an action plan or serves to transform the person's world view strongly enough that they may now consider other choices, (perhaps some untried and formerly intolerable or threatening or different path). However, if depression and resignation take hold, it is not recommended to attempt to help, or cheer up, or advise such an individual who is in this stage, not unless they themselves solicit it.

Due to the little understood power of the mind to determine one's own fate, the power to either accept, resist, or revisit the option of change, OR due to the mind's potential to begin to now see change for the worse as inevitable, the reality is that those who resist new information will now deem it necessary to accept the status quo of inevitable death.

This decision then becomes an important time for beginning grieving in advance of a death, which must first be processed.

STAGE FIVE: ACCEPTANCE: "Loss going to be okay."; "I can't fight it" "There are no magical cures, no silver bullets, no nutritional answers. Otherwise, everyone would be using them and no one would be dying, right?"; "I may as well prepare for what I cannot do anything about."; "The cost was worth it because it bought me/he/she a bit of time"

In this last stage, the individual has accepted the fate they may have found themselves unable to negotiate.

They may have unwittingly chosen the path they are now on, sometimes by default.

At this stage 65% usually will decide that fighting is of no use. They may have concluded that untried methods are either useless or scams.

Or they may now realize that even conventional methods to reverse decline may have ultimately cost them the game, to no avail.

They may feel that having chosen the mainstream route may have bought them increased quality of life.

In short, they may or may not think the choices they have either have made or have not made have offered them a lot, a little, or sometimes no extra time worth having.

They may decide that the path chosen may have made things worse, may have sealed fate, may have caused needless suffering, or may have only served to speed the decline to death.

This is often the first of the stages which tends to sort those now willing to risk the unknown. Sometimes, due to timing, this becomes a case of too little too late. Some will now diverge from others unwilling to let go of the conventional paradigm to the bitter end. 

At this point those who see that whatever they chose is not working may now begin to accept as fate and come to terms with their belief in either their own mortality or that of their loved. one. 

Of course, these steps do not necessarily come in the order noted above. Nor are all steps experienced by all people.

The hypothesis is that most persons will experience at least two of these stages. Often, people will experience several stages in quick succession, in a "roller coaster" effect, switching back and forth between two or more stages, returning to one stage or more several times before working through it.

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by sparroweye on Thu Aug 05, 2010 02:49 AM

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How I wish I had been on here and read Mia's Chinese medicine treatments.  I was bullied into over kill for my 1.5 insitu squamous cell on my tonsillectomy scar tissue.  After surgery they never saw a trace of cancer cells anywhere, not in Pt radio isotope scans or any other scans. But still I was advised, scared into seven weeks of tomo therapy head and neck radiation.  I lost down to 104 pounds from 158.  They tried to push me into tube feedings. I refused. Instead I found 560 Carnation which I mixed with milk.  I am still so angry at my two radiologist. My entire treatment was botched until I got up to Moffits.  If this ever reoccurs I will be going to MD Andserson and only allowing chinese medicine. I am through with traditional FDA approved treatments.  All those scans, and mri's will probably be what causes me to have a secondary unrelated cancer.  I think current cancer treatments as Mia said, do not get to the root of the problem.  Why we got the cancer. So that it does not return. As she said. Make the body a hostile place for cancer cells. No sugar,  take Vit. D if you are deficient. Take turmeric.  What ever happened to,  "First do no harm" I am a year and a half out. Still no cancer.  I think I was over treated because as they said, I just didn't fit the profile and they didn't know what to do with me. But because of possible malpractice suits, they could not just "watch it."

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by seaies on Tue Aug 31, 2010 01:21 AM

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" Does anyone here believe that there may be something beyond the western "medical establishment"??"

Traditional or Tribal medicine such as practiced by Shaman and others have long been used with varying degrees of success, Ickaoka(sp) Medical University in Toyama Japan teaches Western (USA-European), Chinese (Traditional) and  Traditional Herbal Medicine, they do not teach Shamanism / Medicine Man or Woman as they believe that it can only be taught by a Shaman/Medicine Man. I was an “English Teacher” for two years there and was very surprised by results accomplished with the various medical practices, often all the forms of medical where used in combination with great results. Both Japan and Korea have “State Licensing” similar to the Medical Boards we have here in the USA that issue licenses for the three types of Medicine, Shamans are very hard to find if you are not part of their group, Voodoo is thought to derived from an African form of Shamanism. There are some “offshoots” such as acupuncture and massage that are separate businesses here in the west. What I personally use is called by some Mind-Body intervention, but I use a Medicine Woman and a Western Dr, I do not mention this to the Dr, I just let them wonder what is going on.

YOU HAVE TO THINK WELL all the time.

There are some meditation tapes that are very helpful in this.

Ride safe and think well seaies

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by Roselvr on Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:50 PM

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On Jul 07, 2010 1:19 AM Lizabeth1999 wrote:

There is a lot of discussion on this forum about all the big cancer centers, but does anyone here believe that there may be something beyond the western "medical establishment"??  Just curious....

 

 

Best advice I can give you is to read Brett Hudson's blog

http://bretthudson.blogspot.com/

He is very big into "complimentary therapy" which he does in CA & Germany.

Very inspriring from someone who was told to get his affairs in order.

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by mapesuma on Mon Sep 06, 2010 05:41 PM

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Hi Lizabeth

Loads of us have found loads of them beneficial, but why do they have to be labelled alternative. There is nothing mutually exclusive about them. There are so many health approaches out there, from therapies that have been around for thousands of years to variations that are only now being started by visionary people.

The only person who can tell someone what is right for them is that person themselves. Some are only comfortable with mainstream medicine and for them that is the right choice.

The rest of us want something more and for us the internet has made it much easier to gather information. Much of what is available seems too way out for a lot of people but much will make sense, at least in part. Anything which makes you think 'wow' or even 'that could help' is worth having a go at. At the very least learning something new and evaluating it gives us a very positive frame of mind and that is very important in beating cancer.

No treatment can be bad if it helps people, unless it encourages them to forego another treatment which is more effective (which is usually the mainstream). I benefited from some, but they failed completely to deal with my cancer, even though I dedicated the months between diagnosis and op to them, and believed I could cure it with them. What they helped me with was dealing with the cancer, the treatment, after effects, relaxation, sleeping etc.

Spirituality and faith belong in the list, regardless of whatever it is you have faith in.

At the end of the day everyone must choose for themselves. The only thing that is important is that you are totally comfortable with everything you do, and believe that you can get better.

Sue

 

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by mayma on Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:07 PM

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My Daughter does. She has CML and read the book The China Experiment I think that is what it is called. The author is Campbell. The diet has really been helping her and her oncologist said to keep doing what you are doing and that he wisshes all of his patients would do thi.

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by Yaziza on Sun Sep 18, 2011 03:11 PM

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On Aug 03, 2010 9:30 PM MiaNony wrote:

I was reading about resistance to change. About 65% of people respond to bad news by resisting new information. Apparently there is some evidence that most, if not all, of the stages that are usually part of the grief process also seem to occur when people are asked to respond to any kind of new information, especially any which makes them feel they may have to change the way they view the world.

So this means any kind of change, anything "different" than what most know or think they already know, even any change with the potential to offer improvement or greater survival odds, even one for which these demographic really has nothing to lose by trying, may still pose too much of a threat to their world view. And so the fact of any change, good, bad, or simply strange or new, which is the one thing over which we really have no control, may well be met with the five stages of Denial, Anger, Negotiation, Depression, Acceptance - or a combination of some if not all of the above.

This may apply to ANY change, terminal illness, catastrophic personal loss, change of job or income, loss or even gain of freedom, as well as significant life events such as the death of a loved one, news of infertility, divorce, realization of drug addiction, news of critical illness, disillusionment with conventional medicine, or many other tragedies or disasters.

STAGE ONE: DENIAL: Usually, there is emotional resistance or denial:

Either "I (or my loved one or friend) feel fine" or "This cannot be happening to me" or "Everyone I know or ever heard of uses this same kind of treatment so it must be the right one and I think it is the only way to go"

STAGE TWO: ANGER: "How CAN this be happening to ME?" "Why me?" "It's not fair." "Who is to blame?" "Why do other people think that whatever else they tried, stuff that they claim worked, makes them so right anyway?""Who do they think they are to tell me that what I am doing may be either useless or harmful, especially when so many people have used it?"  

Once in the second stage, the individual recognizes that denial of change cannot continue. Because of the emerging anger which now replaces the denial, the person can become difficult to approach or support or care for due to misplaced feelings of rage or envy.

Any individual that seems to symbolize life or energy, including anyone who may have extend an offer of support, answers, wisdom, (even a cancer survivor, for instance) is now subject to projected resentment and jealousy

STAGE THREE: BARGAINING: "Just let me/he/she live to see my/our children graduate."; "I'll do absolutely anything for a few more years."; "I will give my life savings if..." .  

The third stage of resistance to change involves the hope that one can somehow postpone or buy the delay of what one now sees as approaching death. Usually, but not always, there may be attempt to negotiate for extension of life by the endorsement of the status quo. This deal making may be attempted with either a doctor and/or a higher power, in exchange for the promise of a reformed lifestyle.

Psychologically, the individual is saying, "I understand I/he/she may or will likely die, but look how I am doing everything I am supposed to do now. I may not be about to change anything about what I happen to know, but I am going to continue to use the comfort of approved familiar treatments. Look how I am being co-operative and compliant. So if I could just arrange to have a bit more time, please?"

STAGE FOUR: DEPRESSION: "I'm so sad"; "This is not working"; "Why bother with anything?"; "I/he/she is obviously going to die anyway... What's the point?"; "Everyone dies of cancer, so why did I think I/he/she would be any different?"; "I already miss my loved one and they are still here"; "Why go on?" 

During the fourth stage, the person often lets go of any idea of being a proactive advocate for their loved one or themselves and begins to shift perspective to accept a belief in the non negotiable certainty of death.

Because of this, the individual may become silent, may refuse visitors, reject help, scorn support, refuse or ignore advice, and may instead spend much of the time crying and grieving.

There will often emerge an air of RESIGNATION which now settles around the person. This process sometimes allows the person to decide to accept their own belief that there are no alternatives.  At this stage they may (or may not) resign themselves to dying or losing someone who is dying. This in turn gives them permission to begin to disconnect from things concerned with love and affection. In some cases, even if they are faced with  evidence of hope or improvement in other cases, this person has now decided to conform with what they now see as immutable fate.

At this point, unless depression somehow becomes converted into an action plan or serves to transform the person's world view strongly enough that they may now consider other choices, (perhaps some untried and formerly intolerable or threatening or different path). However, if depression and resignation take hold, it is not recommended to attempt to help, or cheer up, or advise such an individual who is in this stage, not unless they themselves solicit it.

Due to the little understood power of the mind to determine one's own fate, the power to either accept, resist, or revisit the option of change, OR due to the mind's potential to begin to now see change for the worse as inevitable, the reality is that those who resist new information will now deem it necessary to accept the status quo of inevitable death.

This decision then becomes an important time for beginning grieving in advance of a death, which must first be processed.

STAGE FIVE: ACCEPTANCE: "Loss going to be okay."; "I can't fight it" "There are no magical cures, no silver bullets, no nutritional answers. Otherwise, everyone would be using them and no one would be dying, right?"; "I may as well prepare for what I cannot do anything about."; "The cost was worth it because it bought me/he/she a bit of time"

In this last stage, the individual has accepted the fate they may have found themselves unable to negotiate.

They may have unwittingly chosen the path they are now on, sometimes by default.

At this stage 65% usually will decide that fighting is of no use. They may have concluded that untried methods are either useless or scams.

Or they may now realize that even conventional methods to reverse decline may have ultimately cost them the game, to no avail.

They may feel that having chosen the mainstream route may have bought them increased quality of life.

In short, they may or may not think the choices they have either have made or have not made have offered them a lot, a little, or sometimes no extra time worth having.

They may decide that the path chosen may have made things worse, may have sealed fate, may have caused needless suffering, or may have only served to speed the decline to death.

This is often the first of the stages which tends to sort those now willing to risk the unknown. Sometimes, due to timing, this becomes a case of too little too late. Some will now diverge from others unwilling to let go of the conventional paradigm to the bitter end. 

At this point those who see that whatever they chose is not working may now begin to accept as fate and come to terms with their belief in either their own mortality or that of their loved. one. 

Of course, these steps do not necessarily come in the order noted above. Nor are all steps experienced by all people.

The hypothesis is that most persons will experience at least two of these stages. Often, people will experience several stages in quick succession, in a "roller coaster" effect, switching back and forth between two or more stages, returning to one stage or more several times before working through it.

Mia

I remember finding this interesting when you wrote it. Mia you are one of few who find the road to self healing and cancer free. May your words reach many.

Janie

 

RE: Does anyone here endorse Alternative treatment?

by MiaNony on Sun Sep 18, 2011 04:25 PM

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Thanks Janie, very kind of you. In a way relentless persistence and determination brings to light the real answers if one is fully motivated they can be found. Not in standard medicine perhaps but other ways, ways such a folk wisdom from which the pharmaceutical industry synthesized and altered what were once so many fine natural and wise cures. And in synthesizing the natural chemical medicine has created many horrible side effects - including death.

First, what I have learned is that one must examine one's entire envirionment and get rid of harm within it.

By the way? This includes absolutely shielding oneself both indoors and outside from artificial wireless frequencies including Wifi, microwave, and the whole spectrum of radio frequencies, all of which already violate all international safety codes in all countries and which are already being emitted by wireless devices, ESPECIALLY the most aggressive ones of all called smart meters. It is crucal to protect onself from these cancer causing frequencies which are already being enabled everywhere on the globe by these meters. ON top of that these meters are being forced on people involuntarily. If you still have an analog mechanical meter with the turning dial and the little clock faces...do everything in your "power" to hjang on to it. Lock it up, hang on to it by any and all means, fotify it and enclose it and be sure to leave a small view window only, for a meter reader.  If one has  a smart meter already, understand it is a dangerous frequency radiation device 24/7. Don;t take my word for it. Get hold of a micrwave hand held meter and measure it. It is truly a threat. So if you already have one, use heavy duty aluminum foil to shield and suppress every bit of these frequencies at the meter as well, as using it on the entire inside of the meter wall. Then wait for the outcome of the trial in process right now to outlaw all of this. Sadly these meters are weapons grade frequencies enabled by remotely re-programmable digital utility corporations.  Smart meters cause electrical induction, migraines, nausea, cognitive imparment, heart palpitations, nerve and muscle depolarization, all nerve and muswcle diseases such as MS and Parkkinson's and they induce overall gradual failure of the body by creating  disease, and cancer in human bodies. Go check what is installed right outside your house. Smart meter frequencies are highly carcinogenic, not a theory, but a fact. Ask this guy

Curtis Bennett

info@thermoguy.com

Cancer is avoidable and reversable. I think first one must believe that one deserves to be well, happy and lovable and one must locate not only the survival instincts but dignitiy, and self love. Then I think one must understand the enormous power of self determination and the ability of the concentrated and focused mind to alter the body's state of being back toward swellness. And one must understand that it is very important to stop the mind from "thinking" all the time and meditate in a quiet space while breathing deeply and slowly in and out.   

What is heart breaking is to see how many do not really want to be well.

If people truly want to be well, in almost every case nothing will stop them. My dream is that others struck with cancer diagnosis as I was will awaken and realize that in most cases cancer is really only an extremely serious infection, viral, bacterial and fungal all in one, and that cancer responds best to non toxic anti viral, anti fungal and anti bacterial natural substances like aloe vera and Lugol's iodine.

It can be beaten. Find the will. 

Of course free will also means you get to choose how to prevent exposure to carcinogens and most often you are given the ultimate choice whether to live or to die of cancer. And that is a freedom we all have. Choose well. Live is a brief gift and short enough. Live it fully, that is my maxim. 

anyone endorse Alternative treatment? free video until Sept 24

by andy73 on Mon Sep 19, 2011 04:50 PM

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Saw this video today, titled 'Cut, Poison, Burn' 

According to Dr Mercola, it's available to watch free until Sept 24 on this site 

http://vimeo.com/26874089

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