Morphine or Cancer ... how did he die?

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Morphine or Cancer ... how did he die?

by lovemydad0438 on Mon May 23, 2011 09:42 PM

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It is such a strange thing to see your loved one suffering from Pancreatic Cancer.  My father had Pancreatic Cancer for a little over a year and a half.  His last 2 months were not as bad as the stories that I have read here, but for him they were enough for him to want to die.  He wanted to go the last 2 months of his battle.  The strange part is that I don't think that the cancer finally killed my father; I believe it was acute morphine intoxication at the hospice hospital.  I have researched it a bit ... it seems to be somewhat common, and a very interesting topic.  During my father's final days, he just wanted to be out of pain.  And sometimes it wasn't pain; it was a feeling of fullness; pressure; the food wouldn't go down; he couldn't drink enough water to take his medication.  So he called hospice on May 9th, angry that he was in pain, and "isn't that what they were for?  to manage his pain?"  They picked him up that afternoon.  He walked to the van.  My father was completely himself till the end.  He completely took care of himself; showered, bathroom, making himself stuff to eat (if you call 4 grapes and a 1/2 of a yogurt eating for 24 hours.)  But once he got the morphine injected into his port at the hospital, he looked like death.  He got the morphine at approximately 4:00 PM ... he was dead by 2:15 AM.  It was that fast.  Was it a better way to die?  For my dad ... that is what he wanted ... pain free and to die, fast.  He was a wonderful man, my dad.

Debbie <3

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by claretea on Tue May 24, 2011 12:55 AM

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debbie so sorry to hear your news, my thoughts are with you and your family, i hadnt realised your dad was getting so ill i have read a few of your comments in the past

God Bless your dad free from pain

on your message about morphine my sister has been battling since feb 2010, she was a candidate for the whipple operation, but we have had to have those talks sadly, she is a nurse and has stressed to all of us just to make sure nobody forgets!, but make sure i am not in pain, dont let me suffer, none of us want to hear that kind of talk but think she just had to get it out of her system

while she was in high dependancy after surgery i sat by her bed never leaving and everytime the green light flashed i had my finger on the button making sure she never missed 1 dose of morphine

often she has came cross pateints (please do excuse my spelling) she is a phyatric nurse, but saw terrible suffering from  cancer  near the end and always with the familys wishes made sure they got enuff pain releif,

nobody should have to suffer, most recently my daughter was up visiting her b/friends grandfather, he had bowel cancer which had spread, bedriddin, couldnt eat, his daughter was distressed at his pain it went on for a couple of weeks, i had advised why not get a doctor up to the house organise macmillan nurses to help you out thou the night, for some strange reason the doctor could not beleive there had been no help wot so ever??, electric bed, nurses came in administered morphine he passed within the week, my poor daughter had saw his pain for weeks leading up to this and thou her distress i called in to offer help to the b/friends mom, the help and pain meds came weeks too late for that poor man

GB Clare

 

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by thebyrdsfriend on Tue May 24, 2011 01:35 AM

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On May 23, 2011 9:42 PM lovemydad0438 wrote:

It is such a strange thing to see your loved one suffering from Pancreatic Cancer.  My father had Pancreatic Cancer for a little over a year and a half.  His last 2 months were not as bad as the stories that I have read here, but for him they were enough for him to want to die.  He wanted to go the last 2 months of his battle.  The strange part is that I don't think that the cancer finally killed my father; I believe it was acute morphine intoxication at the hospice hospital.  I have researched it a bit ... it seems to be somewhat common, and a very interesting topic.  During my father's final days, he just wanted to be out of pain.  And sometimes it wasn't pain; it was a feeling of fullness; pressure; the food wouldn't go down; he couldn't drink enough water to take his medication.  So he called hospice on May 9th, angry that he was in pain, and "isn't that what they were for?  to manage his pain?"  They picked him up that afternoon.  He walked to the van.  My father was completely himself till the end.  He completely took care of himself; showered, bathroom, making himself stuff to eat (if you call 4 grapes and a 1/2 of a yogurt eating for 24 hours.)  But once he got the morphine injected into his port at the hospital, he looked like death.  He got the morphine at approximately 4:00 PM ... he was dead by 2:15 AM.  It was that fast.  Was it a better way to die?  For my dad ... that is what he wanted ... pain free and to die, fast.  He was a wonderful man, my dad.

Debbie <3

I am so sorry for your loss.  It is heartbreaking, but we don't want our loved ones to be in pain either.  I doubt your father died because of the morphine.  If that was the case, he wouldn't have lived 10 more hours after getting his last morphine shot.  Both of my parents died of cancer, and both had their last morphine shot within a half hour of dying, yet I don't blame the morphine for their death, it was the cancer.  It is so so sad, but there does come a time when the cancer kills, but morphine helps the pain and they need it.  Please don't be so hard on yourself.  I myself, want to make sure I suffer no pain when my time comes too.  God Bless your dad, his suffering is over.  May peace be with you dear.

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by Gretchenmarie on Tue May 24, 2011 06:12 PM

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I am no expert on morphine by any means. It does seem to me that as a person nears death, the morphine pushes them over the edge somehow. Do the doctors and nurses know the dosage and time frame of administering this drug for this to happen? I don't know if this is the case, as stated it is probably the cancer itself. Either way, if their end is hastened a bit from the morphine, it's probably the most humane thing that can be done for them. To know they are at peace, and finally pain free. That's what I would wish for.

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by The_Wife on Wed May 25, 2011 11:55 AM

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My husband also died very suddenly with PC and he was not on morphine. He died on the very first day he was not able to get up and get dressed. We thought he had weeks left. I think he basically starved to death- he ws not taking in or able to use enough calories to sustain is body systems.

PC wreaks havoc with the body's systems, It blocks the body's ability to use calories consumed. Many patients die with very little actual cancer in their bodies- I think they are the lucky ones. Much less pain.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

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by squand on Wed May 25, 2011 01:05 PM

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We rarly die from the disease we are diagonsed with, this is what I have been told-love to hear comments to see if anyone else has heard this.

I am very sorry for your loss,Don't beat yourself up wondering  what made him pass.I'tll tear ya up.

I have pc an would rather od then the other.If that doctor was still doing his thing I'd love to go that way.

I have seen my Father,mother,sister die from this dreaded disease and I HAVE also wondered that question of what it was the drug or the disease

The thing is theren at peace now in Heaven, and free of the pain.

God Bless

Rick

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by poinksy on Thu May 26, 2011 09:55 PM

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I know where you are coming from as my dad was similar. He did everything for himself. I bought him home from hospital on the Tuesday, he walked out of the hospital and was joking on the way home. On Thursday he was fitted with a driver and on Friday the docs upped dosages. He never woke up again and died early on the Sunday. Initially I wondered if the drugs caused him to go but after reading a book called 'final gifts'' I am more inclined to think that he decided to leave because the time was right. My dad had had enough and knew there was no hope. I am glad he is free from pain but I miss him every minute of the day. He was only 61 and should have had many more years of life.

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by Josephine123 on Fri May 27, 2011 12:49 AM

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I really think that sometimes cancer patients just "decide" it is time.  My Dad died of lung cancer that had spread to the liver.  He celebrated his birthday on Sunday with his kids, met with his pastor on Saturday, and went upstairs to sleep as always Sunday night.  Monday evening he slipped into a coma and he was gone early Tuesday.  It was blessedly better than it could have been. 

My grandfather died of PC when I was a teenager.  he died at home, and I don't remember him being bedfast except for one night.  His goal was to watch the world series, and my little brother got to skip school and stay home and watch it with grandpa.  Again, very quick after that passed.

I can only pray that it will be that simple with my husband, the love of my life, when the time comes.  (Hopefully, years in the future.)

Jo

 

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by lovemydad0438 on Fri May 27, 2011 05:28 PM

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences with the final stages of cancer.  My dad and I had several discussions about euthanasia ... I firmly believe that if you have a terminal cancer that you know 100% you will not survive, you should have the choice to say "enough is enough."  I really believe that my dad did that.  I don't know if the morphine caused his death, I just find it an interesting subject.  When I googled it, I didn't expect to see so many hits regarding the topic. 

Like a lot of PC patients, my dad was definitely starving to death.  He used to ask, "how long do you think one can survive without food?"  I think he was sick of waiting for it to finally take him.  Also, my dad was throwing up blood (mostly old blood) for the final week or so, so he could have bleed out, internally.  He wanted to go to that hospital, he wanted to be on that drug, and he told them he wasn't coming home.  He definitely decided in his own way "enough was enough."

God bless everyone with this disease, all the family members of those suffering from this disease, and those who have loved ones who have passed from this disease.  The only positives to come out of this whole experience, in my case, is that I got to be with my dad for a year and a half upon diagnosis in a way which wouldn't have happened if life continued as it was (too busy with work, kids, house.)  He also completely prepared my mom for his departure (house, finances, notebooks of instructions from how to use the VCR to how to send an email. 

I learned to get my priorities straight.  Debbie <3

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by Gretchenmarie on Fri May 27, 2011 08:28 PM

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Boy, euthanasia. That's really a can of worms isn't it? When my husband found out he had pc, he wanted to end it right then. He didn't want to go through what he is going through now. I can't say I blame him. My heart sunk also when I heard of his dx. I really can't speak from a patient's perspective because I am not one. I do believe a person really wants to live as long as he can with a decent quality of life. But as in your dad's case, you get to that point where no human being should have to suffer to the extent some cancer patients have to suffer. Maybe some day things will change.

Sounds like you had some good quality time with your dad and that's a good thing.

God Bless in the days to come.

Gretchen

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