The dreaded news

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The dreaded news

by mdailey on Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:58 PM

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I just learned that my ex husband (and best friend) is now considered terminal and we are as expected devastated to hear the news.  He suffered a set back after the whipple on Sept 5th and the cancer took advantage and is now in his liver.  The Dr says chemo is not an option because it may kill him but I am reaching out to get your thoughts on the matter because quite frankly I am just lost.  If he is terminal and will be leaving us in the near future and at the moment has no qualify of life if it were me I would want to take that chance or at least consider it?  Any thoughts?  Am I being ridiculous thinking that as far as his HMO is concerned the sooner he leaves us the sooner they can stop paying out?  It is their fault that he is in such a weakened state after they kept him waiting for 2 months for tests (they only have one Dr that performs that particular test and he doesn't do them every day???) with him getting weaker with each and every day and then causing/missing the bleeding ulcer that almost killed him last month.  Any perspective would be greatly appreciated.

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by Headhen on Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:30 PM

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I was diagnosed with breast cancer so 3times a week I sit with other people Getting VItamin C IV 's . All these people have been diagnosed with various cancers. I sit next to a wonder man that has pancreatic cancer they did the whip and wanted to do other operations and chemical treatments. He said NO to them all. He was given a short time to live a year later he is still around He now only does the Vitamin C IV's plus changed his diet to only greens, veggies and fruit. Does coffee enemas everyday. He looks incredible and says he is not buying into other treatments. Do your research there are options out there.

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by maxxschiken on Wed Oct 31, 2012 03:21 AM

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It saddens me when I read about the decline of so so many people after the whipple.  Sometimes I wonder if every precaution was taken before even considering the procedure itself.  Were they completely positive there was no possible chances of the cancer having already gone to the liver or anywhere outside of the pancreas prior to surgery?  I can understand the doctors saying chemo is no longer an option if your X is so terribly weakend by the whipple.  I've heard the whipple can take months if not a year to recover from and typically leaves the patient vulnerable to the spread of this disease.  I would most definately get a second or third opinion to determine if your X has any strength left to fight the spread to his liver.  My wife was never given the option for surgery because they found 2 small spots measuring less than 1cm each on her liver which came from the 5cm tumor on the body of her pancreas.  After 4 months of Folfirinox that began in August 2011, the spots were GONE and NEVER returned.  The tumor shrank to 4mm and after an additional 6 months of therapy by June of this year her liver remained clear and the tumour had the remarkable appearance of being SURGICALLY REMOVED!  Yes, just a scar tissue with NO METABOLIC ACTIVTY.  I hope your X has enough strength left in him to tolerate any form of therapy that will extend his life.  You can't always believe what the healthcare professional say when it comes to a "time-line."  They told us in July 2011, no chemo 3-4 months and you are gone.  With chemo you "may" extend your life by 2-3 months but no more than 6months!  It is now almost 1.5 years and my wife stopped chemo last June with stable blood tests to measure her cancer antigen 19-9 which have remained stable.            

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by Dlynn1210 on Wed Nov 07, 2012 05:04 PM

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On Oct 30, 2012 11:30 PM Headhen wrote:

I was diagnosed with breast cancer so 3times a week I sit with other people Getting VItamin C IV 's . All these people have been diagnosed with various cancers. I sit next to a wonder man that has pancreatic cancer they did the whip and wanted to do other operations and chemical treatments. He said NO to them all. He was given a short time to live a year later he is still around He now only does the Vitamin C IV's plus changed his diet to only greens, veggies and fruit. Does coffee enemas everyday. He looks incredible and says he is not buying into other treatments. Do your research there are options out there.

You really need to stick to responding to patients who are dealing with your type of cancer - breast - and also people requesting info on alternative treatments.  There is NO comparison between breast and pancreatic cancers - and the treatment for each is far different.

 

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by Smitten1 on Thu Nov 08, 2012 01:46 PM

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When My husband had his whipple he was in hospitl wth a gentleman who was told the whipple would not be successful and so surgery and chemo were not an option.  He got a second opinion and found someone who would perform it.  He had the whipple the same day as my husband and was doing remarkably well and was discharged before my husband ( who had a set back).  His wife knew that this would not cure him, however she felt that this would give them more time together.  He was young- early 50"s.  I have no idea how he has faired since but it really said to me to get second opinions and maybe try a medical centre where the whipples are performed frequently. Research shows that the surgery is more successful at hospitals that do it more frequently than those that do not.  I am in Canada and so things work differently here but I would get a second opinion for sure.

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by zdenka on Thu Nov 08, 2012 02:02 PM

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On Oct 30, 2012 11:30 PM Headhen wrote:

I was diagnosed with breast cancer so 3times a week I sit with other people Getting VItamin C IV 's . All these people have been diagnosed with various cancers. I sit next to a wonder man that has pancreatic cancer they did the whip and wanted to do other operations and chemical treatments. He said NO to them all. He was given a short time to live a year later he is still around He now only does the Vitamin C IV's plus changed his diet to only greens, veggies and fruit. Does coffee enemas everyday. He looks incredible and says he is not buying into other treatments. Do your research there are options out there.

Headhen, right on. I just posted a long entry. Watch the DVD, Forks Over Knives - it will change your outlook on everything. I have bought copies for my dauhers-in-law and for friends.  I had heard the value of a vegan diet, but was doing so well on Protocel & Paw Paw I didn't do it.  2-1/2 years later, an MRI showed activity on my spine.  Pain is a great motivator.  I'm on the vegan diet (only 3 weeks) and am doing much better!

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by Headhen on Fri Nov 09, 2012 01:06 AM

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I have been on a veggie diet since June. But it's every day. Please don't do meat, dairy or sugar. Cancer loves sugar. The coffee enemas keeps your liver super healthly. Try them too. Look into Poly MVA I do that also. Plus other stuff. The most important thing I am doing is Vitamin C IV's. I will not stop doing it. I do them 3 times a week. They will heal you. God bless you.

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by zdenka on Fri Nov 09, 2012 02:03 AM

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On Nov 09, 2012 1:06 AM Headhen wrote:

I have been on a veggie diet since June. But it's every day. Please don't do meat, dairy or sugar. Cancer loves sugar. The coffee enemas keeps your liver super healthly. Try them too. Look into Poly MVA I do that also. Plus other stuff. The most important thing I am doing is Vitamin C IV's. I will not stop doing it. I do them 3 times a week. They will heal you. God bless you.

My tx plan as of 3 weeks ago is "integrative" I still need some pain medication - although less. I now have a doctor with a Masters in Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine and the two doctors are working together.  I have acupuncture every week - this week he did ultrsound instead.  I do qi gong for breast cancer (YouTube) 2 x daily.  2 heaping T of turmeric daily.  No dairy.  Moving to total vegan.  The only sugar I get is from plants or vegetables.  (I used to put cream & sugar in my coffee eachmorning!)  I will have my labs redone again in 3-6 mo.  I'm on Medicare, so I wait until it's covered.  I chose "quality of life" over poison, burn, and mutilate - I trully believe all that will seem barbaric one day.  I have watched family members die of cancer; I have worked in hospiutal systems.  I will support anyone's decision, unless they tell me, "I didn't have achoice."  We all have choices.  Blessings to you. Z-

Thank you and blessings to you.

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by zdenka on Fri Nov 09, 2012 02:12 AM

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On Nov 07, 2012 5:04 PM Dlynn1210 wrote:

On Oct 30, 2012 11:30 PM Headhen wrote:

I was diagnosed with breast cancer so 3times a week I sit with other people Getting VItamin C IV 's . All these people have been diagnosed with various cancers. I sit next to a wonder man that has pancreatic cancer they did the whip and wanted to do other operations and chemical treatments. He said NO to them all. He was given a short time to live a year later he is still around He now only does the Vitamin C IV's plus changed his diet to only greens, veggies and fruit. Does coffee enemas everyday. He looks incredible and says he is not buying into other treatments. Do your research there are options out there.

You really need to stick to responding to patients who are dealing with your type of cancer - breast - and also people requesting info on alternative treatments.  There is NO comparison between breast and pancreatic cancers - and the treatment for each is far different.

 

.Sorry, D-, buy the DVDForks Over Knives. Cancer is cancer. I'm hoping you and your family have researched your concerns and have gotten at least 3 consultations.  My 3 were vastly differnt.  The era of doctors as kings is over.  We must each take responsibility for our decisions and support the tough decisions our friends have to make.  I only stand on my soapbox when someone says, "We didn't have a choice."  We all have choices - and cancer is cancer.  

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by zdenka on Fri Nov 09, 2012 02:19 AM

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On Oct 30, 2012 10:58 PM mdailey wrote:

I just learned that my ex husband (and best friend) is now considered terminal and we are as expected devastated to hear the news.  He suffered a set back after the whipple on Sept 5th and the cancer took advantage and is now in his liver.  The Dr says chemo is not an option because it may kill him but I am reaching out to get your thoughts on the matter because quite frankly I am just lost.  If he is terminal and will be leaving us in the near future and at the moment has no qualify of life if it were me I would want to take that chance or at least consider it?  Any thoughts?  Am I being ridiculous thinking that as far as his HMO is concerned the sooner he leaves us the sooner they can stop paying out?  It is their fault that he is in such a weakened state after they kept him waiting for 2 months for tests (they only have one Dr that performs that particular test and he doesn't do them every day???) with him getting weaker with each and every day and then causing/missing the bleeding ulcer that almost killed him last month.  Any perspective would be greatly appreciated.

I have only recently gotten back on this website. Please buy the DVD Forks Over Knives. Contrary to what you're being told, there is hope.  $14.95 on Amazon.  Do it now.  I'll be the angel on your shoulder.  Z-   (given little hope - 2-1/2 years later . . .metasteses to the spine. . . . )

and the beat goes on!

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