Cesium Chloride Discussion

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Cesium Chloride Discussion

by chalmj on Sun Mar 31, 2013 06:35 PM

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I was diagnosed with Stage IV, T2 N2b M0 SCC of the left soft pallet in Aug 2012. I searched far and wide for non-toxic treatments but found none in the conventional treatment world. 

There is hyperthermia (very big in Germany), but I could not get it without low dose radiation in the USA (Hyperthermia w/low dose radiation is actually approved in the USA by the FDA. I could have actually got this treatment covered under my insurance). My understanding is that cancer cells simply cannot stand the heat and that hyperthermia is very effective. 

so I turned to alternative treatment protocols. 

Along with the key issue of eating raw organic fruits and vegetables every day (I try to make a green smoothie every day in a vitamix mixer with mostly greens and then enough fruits to make it taste good) I am currently on 6 alternative protocols:
1. The Budwig Diet (flax oil w/cottage cheese)- supposed to help rebuild cell membranes)
2. Dr Kelleys Enzymes - supposed to dissolve the protein coating around the cancer cells to expose them to the immune system
3. Lyposomal VitC - 4g every 4 hrs - at these high doses the VitC is supposed to get inside the cancer cells - the cancer cells think it's glucose - and supposedly kills them
4. Some 90 pills/ supplements daily. - some are anticancer, antioxidants, liver support, omega 3/6 oils, minerals, enzymes, vitamins, etc
5. Fluids (powders)- just more supplements but in powder form when dosages go into grams rather than mg's - like whey protein isolate (50-100g/day), 25g MSM, Vibrant Green powder, spirulina, barley grass, L-Glutamine
6. Liquid Ionic Cesium Chloride - 3g/day for 4 days, then 6g/day for 3 days each week.

I started the CsCl on Feb 1st, 2013. For the first two weeks nothing. I was following the directions on the bottle which is to take 1 tbs 2x/day or 3g/day for the first two weeks. On Feb 14th I upped the dosage to 6g/day. Within a week a part of the tumor simply collapsed. It looked like Mt St Helen after it blew its top. There was a large crater in the tumor. 

But then everything slowed down. No more noticeable tumor shrinkage. So I went back to 3g/day for 4 days, then 6g/day for 3 days in an effort to repeat the pattern that seemed to work. No more craters but my tumor does seem to be shrinking again. 

Currently the swelling in my left neck (the 2 metastatic lymph nodes)has gone down approx 90% and the tumor has shrunk maybe 40%. I still have a long way to go but I am encouraged at this point with the progress.

Is there anyone else out there using CsCl? If so I would like to hear how it is working for you.
John

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by michele75043 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 03:37 AM

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That's great news. Congratulatons and thank you for sharing. Maybe I'll try it.

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by michele75043 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 03:38 AM

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That's great news. Congratulatons and thank you for sharing. Maybe I'll try it. Do you know where hyperthermia and radiation is available in the U.S.?

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by chalmj on Sun Apr 07, 2013 09:47 PM

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I contacted the following for hyperthermia w/ low dose radiation treatment:

nash.contre ras

Executive Administrator
Bicher Cancer Institute

12099 W. Washington Blvd. # 304
Los Angeles, CA 90066
T: (310) 398-0013 ? F: (310) 398-4470
nash.contre ras@bci-vci.org

I sent them my pathology report, and PET and CT scans and then talked with one of their oncologists on the phone.

I asked if the low dose radiation would destroy my salivary glands as I was told standard radiation would do.  The oncologist defelected my question and kept talking. So I asked the question a second time. Again he would not answer the question. I did not ask again. By not answering the question, clearly avoiding answering it I had effectively gotten my answer. As I could not get the hyperthermia without the radiation I once again had to reject the treatment. Hyperthermia is only approved by the FDA for treatment for oral cancer when it is coupled with low dose radiation. As indicated in the orginal post there is just too much destruction of the unique structures in the oral cavity by the radiation treatment for me to sign on to it. 

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by jesichashope on Fri Apr 19, 2013 03:05 AM

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The BCI- VCI Intitute is the only place I know of in the U.S. They only do local hyperthermia with low dose radiation.

If you have cancer that has spread to other parts of the body it is not easily treated using this method.  We considered going there with Jesicha but because her cancer had spread to the bones treating it was a consideration when they explained they would treat on spot at a time. We turned to go to Germany but one German doctor suggested a place in Mexico where we did go and got full body hyperthermia. The theory is cancer cannot survive a certain degree and if the body is raised to this temp and sustained then lowered again; the cancer cells weaken and die.  At the clinic they would do this and hit it with other types of treatment like SPDT. Weakened by the heat, the cells succumb more easily.

Your good cells are not harmed and with good immune boosting supplements and diet, the body strengthens while cancer cells weaken and die.

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by jesichashope on Fri Apr 19, 2013 03:18 AM

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John good news. I have read up on Cesium use and basically the response is similar to the BX Antitoxin in how it kills the cells. The Cesium allows the invasion of oxygen which overcomes the cells. There is a very good site but repectfully we cannot put up urls. I will give it to you if you message me for it. It is very compehensive regading cesium.

The BX targets the bacterium in the cancer cells, found in all cancer cells; it turn the cells triggers turn back on, the cells ask for oxygen, remember to die and do not replicate anymore. The tumors in turn go through apoptosis and then necrosis. Basically this is what you are started to experience, first it inflames, collapses and then it should go through necrosis.  There are graphic videos on Bx that show this process you might want to see it and compare.

Good luck prayers to you.

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by chalmj on Fri Apr 19, 2013 08:25 PM

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Thanks for the info on the BX Antitoxin. I looked it up on the jessica hope website and watched the video. It does sound interesting. I am familiar with Royal Rife and the bacterium theory as a cause of cancer. However, the cost of the BX Antitoxin treatment is many times that of the CsCl.

The site indicated 17K to 30K depending on whether the treatmeant was in house or home administered. CsCl is around $100 per bottle for 32 fl ozs of the ionic liquid. This one bottle lasts approx 30 days. You do need to purchase liquid ionic potassium chloride at approx $30 per 32 fl ozs which is also about a months supply. I order the CsCl and the Potassium from the Angstom Minerals website.

The potassium is needed with the CsCl to keep serum potassium levels in the normal range as the CsCl drives potassium out of the blood and into the cells thereby depleting serum blood levels of potassium which can be dangerous.

It is recommended, I read, that one gets blood tests to monitor blood potassium levels every month or so during the cesium treatment time frame. I found you can just go online and order a blood test for about $60 for Labcorp without a doctors order. When I did that I found my blood potassium level was slightly low.

As an update to my orginal post I was so impressed with the results I had in Feb I slacked off on the every 4 hrs of the 4 ozs of lyposomal Vit C and when I ran out of the enzymes I did not reorder them. In March and early April I wasn't making much progress. No more visible tumor shrinkage. I now believe the CsCl needs the Vit C and possibly the enzymes to be effective. So I reordered the enzymes and got strict again on the Vit C frequency.

Now, I am once again seeing some results. Not like in Feb, but the tumor does seem to be shrinking again, just slower than it was in February. 

So at this point I will just try to be strick on the administration of the protocols indicated in the orginal post as I continue to have some success. I do appreciate this interesting info on the BX Antitoxin, but it's just so much more expensive than what I am currently doing. 

John

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by CancerSupport on Sat Nov 02, 2013 04:33 PM

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Hi John,

I understand that Cesium should be taken along with Vit A, Vit C, Selenium, and Zin to enhance the cellular uptake of Cesium.

I wonder if you have progressed with Cesium treatment. Could you let us know?

 

Thanks,

 

CS

 

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by chalmj on Sun Nov 03, 2013 03:09 AM

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On Nov 02, 2013 4:33 PM CancerSupport wrote:

Hi John,

I understand that Cesium should be taken along with Vit A, Vit C, Selenium, and Zin to enhance the cellular uptake of Cesium.

I wonder if you have progressed with Cesium treatment. Could you let us know?

 

Thanks,

 

CS

 

I am not sure what is suggested to enhance the cancer cell uptake of Cesium chloride.

I have stopped using cesium chloride and have moved to Protocel with Graviola and Paw-Paw. I continued to take cesium chloride for several months after the February success but saw no progress. It seemed like the cancer cells had become resistant to CsCl. The info on Protocel indicated it was not compatible with CsCl.

For 5 months I took Protocel with Graviola. Nothing happened. Then I added Paw-Paw which I read is supposed to be stronger than Graviola for knocking down ATP production. Since adding Paw-Paw (about a month ago so total 6 months now on Protocel) the tumor may be shrinking - I'm not sure. Also added Ellagic Acid about the same time as the Paw-Paw.I have decided to keep this protocol going for November 2013. If at the end of November there is still no tumor shrinkage I intend to move back to lyposomal VitC as I did have some success with megadose lyposomal VitC (try to get to 60g/day) when it was my main protocol from Nov 2012 till Feb 2013.

John

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by CancerSupport on Sun Nov 03, 2013 11:58 PM

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Hi John,

Below were the regular doses to treat patients in an office.

Cesium chloride was given in 3 equal divided doses of 6 to 9 grams daily. Supplemental vitamin A emulsion (100,000 to 300,000 U), vitamin C (4 to 30 grams), zinc (80 to 100 mg., selenium (600 to 1200 mg.), and amygadalin (1500 mg.) were given plus other supplements. The diet consisted primarily of whole grains, vegetables, linolenic acid rich foods (flaxseed, walnut, soy, wheat germ) and other supplemented food. EDTA (chelation, dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) and a combination of vitamins K, and magnesium salts were also given.

 However; Dr. Sartori's doses went as high as 30g of CeCl a day to treat his patients with success.

 Below was his notes:

 "The Cs+ penetration into the cancer cell can be increased by the following three methods: The first approach resides in broadening the electron donor capacity of the cancer cell membrane by the application of cyanide (CN–), an electron donor radical found in nitriles (amygdalin, Laetrile® or mandelonitrile, prunasin, ficin, or cassivin), by selenium and zinc ions, which are electron donor radicals, or by the use of DMSO. The second approach enhances the potential gradient across the cancer cell membrane by the utilization of weak acids like ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) and retinoic acid (Vitamin A). The third method attempts to improve the circulation to the tumor and facilitate the destruction of cross linkages in the mucoid and fibrinous substances around the cancer cell. This can be achieved by chelation therapy. i.e., the use of EDTA, preferably CaNa2-EDTA directly I.V., as has been shown by Blumer, who reported on the reduction of cancer incidence by 90 % by chelating patients (an average of 15 chelations in 8 years). This approach also reduced cardiovascular disease by 50%. Other chelating agents can be also used. Moreover, the use of beta-carotene will lead to decomposition of blocking mucoid proteins which is mediated byelectrical charges. Heparin which also acts through electrical charges will inactivate the immune repelling and immune binding capacities of the blocking mucoid proteins. These approaches will hinder cancer growth and they are virtually atoxic.

<http://www.royalrife.com/sartori.html>

 Good luck on Protocel. My father has used Protocel for more than 2 months now. His health has improved a lot. By 4 months, he will go for a CT scan.

I wonder if you know about the Outsmart Your Cancer book by Tanya Harter Pierce. It is a good book.

 

CS

 

 

 

 

 

 

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