CancerCompass message board discussion started by Coloradogirl on 7/16/2007 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,14405,0.htm Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT Sun, 07 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ My dog has TCC and has been undergoing chemo. Over the last couple of weeks, however, we noticed that whenever he tried to move his neck he would yelp. We took him to a neurologist for an MRI and found out that we found out that his cancer metastasized to his spine. So we now have him on painkillers (methocarbamol, tramadol, gabapentin). Too much made him very sedate so we cut back on the dosage. Over the past week he has changed signficantly. He won't eat (only a couple laps of cat food a day - or of anything he will take down - it changes from day to day) and now he won't take any of the pills (even when we wrap them up in a salami or cheese slice like a burrito). He has also developed urinary incontinence. He won't get up usually without our prodding. And my husband now has to carry him outside where he will then hop around our property, to the creek and up the dirt road, etc. But then once he gets back he lays on his side refusing to get up. We don't know what to do. We fear that he's just dying but when he's outside he's hopping around and smiling (at least he looks like he's smiling). Or, is he simply depressed? Do dogs get depressed? And if they do, do they ever snap out of it over time? Has anyone experienced anything like this - or am I just thinking it might be a miracle?! Coloradogirl Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:00 GMT Wow! Your question is a very interesting one!I don't have a degree in dog psychology but have been around dogs my whole life and am very aware of what they do.  So here's a story that just might help you.I have a giant breed dog 10yrs old, with arthritis in his spine and he's 3 yrs post surgery for a 'blown out knee'. Every once in awhile he starts limping for unknown reasons.  It usually dissapears in a day or so.  About 3 months ago he started limping again and it wasn't going away.  He's a velcro dog and always comes upstairs with me during he day while I work on the computer and also to sleep in my bedroom. One day I heard him come up a few stairs and then yelp. He went back down immediately.  I started him on Rimadyl. (pain, anti-inflamatory)  and he stopped limping but refused to come upstairs, actiing like he was afraid of the stairs.No amount of coaxing or temptations with bones, etc would get him to come up more that a few stairs. He didn't come up the stairs for about a  month, and I began thinking that he was 'just too old' and I'd never have my buddy around me again. One day we had a thunderstorm, and my poor dog has always been afraid of thunder.  Lo and behold.....he comes upstairs like it's nothing.  Been coming upstairs ever since without any problems at all, and he's been off the rimadyl for a long time.Moral of the story........I definitely think they can 'associate' a place in the home that depress or scares them and causes them to 'act differently'.  If I were you, I'd begin feeding him outside, giving pills outside, find a toy or bone or something that he really likes and play with him outside with it like nothing is wrong with him and you just love him like he's still a puppy.  Then after a few days or so, bring the toy inside where he acts listless and try to play with him.  I'd also begin acting like that place in your home is a happy place and give him lots of attention, playing, silly noises, playful belly rubs, etc. Anything that you know makes him 'act like a puppy' when you do it.  My hopes are that, like my dog, he'll get his mind off of thinking that inside the house is a bad place, where he gets pills, pain, etc. and will begin acting like he used to.  It's all just a guess of course, but I have no other explanation for what happened with my dog, so I offer my 'advice' to you.I'd really like you to write back to me after you try my suggestions (if you do) and tell me how it went.  I wish you best of luck and a long life for your dog.Sandy Edumakator01 Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:00:00 GMT My opinion is that your pooch is not depressed, it sounds very much like the beginning of his kidneys failing.  I am literally going through this exact thing with my dog Duffy.  He has barely eaten in a week not bacon, beef, chicken, absolutely nothing.  We took him in yesterday and his kidneys are failing.  He is being put down today.  You need to get the kidney levels evaluated immediately. Good luck. Efarbs Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:00:00 GMT