CancerCompass message board discussion started by Carolyn B. on 1/10/2005 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,1470,0.htm Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ Is anyone doing the IV vitamin C treatment? One does this twice weekly at saturation dose (about 50 gms). I intend to start this in February, but I would love to hear from your experiences. I know two people whom it has kept ovarian cancer at bay for 3-4 years and two people who have died (of lung cancer). Carolyn B. Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:00:00 GMT Carolyn, I'm surprised that in almost a year there have been no replies to your message. I'm brand new to this website and I'd love to know if you did begin the IV-C treatment and what your experience has been. Karen f. Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:00:00 GMT Karen, when I googled *IV Vitamin C* your message came up, so I joined the group. I'm interested in learning more about auto IV for nutrient intake. Maybe we can stir up some interest. Sailor Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:00:00 GMT I would like to know if you have had this IV Vitamin C treatment for cancer or if you know anyone who is having it. Carole Mon, 05 Dec 2005 00:00:00 GMT My wife Carolyn B. (diagnosed 6/2003, stage 3C) undertook a program of high dosages of vitamin C as a means of battling ovarian cancer over a number of months, starting in February 2005. We got prescriptions and support from an MD associated with an alternative care institution, and our regular oncologist was aware of this regimen. The IVC appeared to help strengthen her resistance, and seemed to improve her well-being. For a time we were hopeful that the IVC would have a lasting curative effect. There were signs initially that the IVC may have been diminishing tumor growth, and depressing CA125 levels. However over the long term I would have to say that IVC alone was not (in her case) totally effective. The CA125 levels came up again, and tumor growth resumed. She passed away in August 2005, 3 years and 2 months after her initial diagnosis. My personal thoughts (keep in mind I'm not an MD): * IVC may be totally effective for some patients but not for others. It may very well be worth trying. * IVC appears to be a useful adjunct in combination with conventional chemotherapies, improving well-being at the least, and possibly helping to build immunity. * IVC alone appears (to me) either to be limited in its anti-cancer strength, against OVCA--or alternatively, after being hit by IVC, OVCA strains may develop that are able to resist the IVC, just as what all too often happens with carboplatin, taxol, and the rest. * We still need a reliable means to diagnose OVCA early, and a cure. Good luck. Kerry B. --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html --- Carolyn B. Tue, 06 Dec 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi, I have started IV Vitamin C 6 weeks ago. 1 - 2 times per week. Find that my pain has reduced and I have more energy. Have not had results back from imaging. I would look forward to hear from others doing or had done treatment Nancyl Sat, 13 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT For myself: I can say that Vitamin C IV works! In 1998, I was diagnosed with CLL - Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia -- and was told there was nothing to be done -- except to watch the white blood cells and then have chemotherapy when they got too high! I did not want to wait to be poisoned by chemo! So when I heard through a doctor my son in NY went to that I should find an oncologist who would give me Vitamin C IV ! Of course, the Mayo oncologist would look at me like I had two heads, so I found my holistic M.D. here in Jax. Beach, FL. I started C-IV one year ago (June 16th to be exact). My white blood count had been drifting UP steadily since 1998, but after NINE MONTHS of C-IV, my blood test revealed a drop of 8/10 of a point! Doesn't sound like much, but we're dealing with Cancer here! Anyway, I continue the IV, and I expect to continue getting better. This may be -- as "they say" -- anecdotal, but I'll take it! We need more publicity about this type of vitamin therapy -- which can't hurt -- and certainly doesn't poison like chemo! Hope this helps (By the way, there's a clinical trial at U. of Kansas -- which is underwritten by a FOUNDATION rather than a pharmaceutical company. Easy to find: Vitamin C - Univ of Kansas!) Kaytw Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:00:00 GMT Yes, I want to try again. Did it only for a very short time but I was dealing with a cancer husband who passed away. Now I believe I have found another doctor who does this but I really want to do this at home. Where can I get it already made? I have a port and believe I can do this. I'm doing alot already and just want to add this to my regiman. Denise Denise g Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi Denise, I think you have to have at least your first dose in the hospital or doctor's office for safety reasons. You should involve your oncologist and provide him/her with information on IV Vitamin C that will support your decision. Recent studies have been done by Dr. Mark Levine of NIDDK on the effectiveness of IV Vitamin C and possible use as a cancer treatment. Phase 1 safety trials are going on now,Dr. Jeanne Drisko of Kansas University has recieved $375,000 for IV Vitamin C study on ovarian ca patients. Dr. Robert Cathcart has a website where he gives the recipe for IV Vitamin C. You can copy it and give it to your physician.I hope I have given you enough information. Lemondrop Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT My husband has CLL. The chemo caused a Squamous Cell cancer to grow in his ear and now "they" want to do a very radical operation which we do not feel he could survive. Neither does the pulmonary specialist. He just started IVC today and will receive it 3-4 times a week for a while. We also use the Rife Technology machine which cured a melanoma that he had 7 years ago. It doesn't appear to help with the CLL. He is also going to try Hydrogen Peroxide + DMSO IV this week. (His lungs are bad and Inf. Dis. Docs have been slamming him with antibiotics. (He got SUNOMONA infections in the hospital (SP?) Please keep us appraised as to your progress with the C. We are excited. For the first time today, he had energy and we felt hope. Debbo Tue, 11 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi Debbo, Hopefully the IV Vitamin C will help take care of the lung infections since it also has antibacterial properties. Did you know that it also causes a peroxide reaction that's effective against cancer? I was wondering why your MD wants to add another peroxide treatment. Please make sure your husband is getting enough protein in his diet,maybe talk to the dietician. I can't stress enough how important it is to keep up the nutritional aspect to build the bodies defense system. I'm glad to hear that your husband and you are feeling encouraged by his response to the IV Vitamin C. Please keep us updated on his progress. Lemondrop Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT For anyone interested there is an article in the Cancer News section dated 7/5/06 right here on Cancer Compass that tells about the current studies on IV Vitamin C. It's a good article and very encouraging. Lemondrop Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT Carolyn: My husband just started it yesterday. It was the first day in months that he had any energy. He has CLL (since 1999) and now the chemo has caused squamous cell to grow in his ear. ("They" said it was the sun ... inside his ear?) We have high hopes - for the first time. We also spent some time at the Cancer Treatment Center in Philadelphia. We LOVED it there too, but came home for the weekend, and he got very sick ... we have yet to make it back, so are trying some alternative things at home. Debbo Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT Lemondrop: Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, I've read about (and the doctor explained) the hydro. Perox. reaction. He is adding another treatment of it because of the excrutiating pain my husband is in from the ear cancer. Will let you know what happens. Debbo Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT I just started with Vitamin C IV and I have had two treatments. I am now up to 20 grams of Vitamin C. I take it once a week ( I am paying for it and too expensive to take twice a week)and taking oral supplements each day as well. We hope to get to 50 grams shortly and I will be doing it for at least 6 months. I am doing this through an oncologist who has researched it and believes it might help his cancer patients. Susha Sat, 15 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in March of this year and decided to try IV vitamin C therapy. Have had five weekly treatments, starting with 25g and prgressing to 50g. Have had severe stomach problems in the last few weeks which seem to be related to the IV treatments. But understand that this is not a normal reaction to Vitamin C. I wonder if anyone else has had similar side effects from Vitamin C treatment. I want to continue the IV's but don't like the "belly aches" and frequent trips to the John. Any comments would be appreciated. Kennu Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hello, I have an appointment tomorrow (Thurs) with a holistic doctor to discuss vitamin c therapy. I've spoken with one holistic doctor who said the IVs would cost about $250. per session "plus" her time which was about the same cost. The doctor I have the appointment with tomorrow will cost $225. for the 1 hour consultation. They wouldn't give me any costs for the actually IV therapy until I speak with the doctor and have a game plan set up. I've also been quoted prices like $75.00 per session. A clinic in Kansas is where I would really like to go as they give you IVs 3 consecutive days and monitor your absorbtion on each of these days. Day one is 15 grams, day two is 25 grams and day three is 50 grams. If all is well at this point, they then send you home with a complete package with dosage and info for someone local to do the IVs. Did you receive this type of treatment at the start? By the way, I am a 49 year old single mom of an 8 year old boy. I have lung cancer which was diagnosed April 2005. Chemo, radiation and complications brought me to April 2006 where I had my first follow up scan. It showed the cancer metasticized to liver, brain, hips, rib, ovaries and was still in the lung. I've been told that this is terminal. I must say that I feel great! I'm looking into alternative treatments which brought me to IV c. Thank you, Rosilyn Rosilyn Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Check under the Cancer Messages for it...been taking it four times now... Susha Wed, 02 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hello to all, I am an RN who has stage III ovarian cancer. It is slow growing, so not as aggressive or deadly as the other kinds. My first surgery was just that and no chemo or other treatment and occured in 1995. I then began to have pain and other G-I issues last year. The second surgery was done in April of 2005. Since the cancer had recurred, the protocol was now chemo and/or more aggressive treatments. The surgeon said he was only able to "get" 80% of the cancer. I started with Doxil, and was told that these mega myers or high dose vitamin C IVs did something to the Doxil making it less effective. The Doxil did nothing for me. I then went to Carboplatin and started doing the Vitamin C IVs after awhile into that. The last dose of the Carbo was in early June. I get, through my port, the Mega Meyers now which includes: 50GMs of Vitamin C, Mag Chloride 1GMm, Vit B 5,6,12 and B-Complex--all about 100-200 mg., Sterile Water, 350 mls. I get this locally from my Internist who is the Andrew Weil of Sedona. I go for chemo treatment at the CTCA. They gave me something like this, but I really needed it 2 or 3 times weekly and it is impractical to stay in Zion that long. I have no way to prove that this is "working" and have heard of the Kansas study and the fact that IV Vitamin C turns into Hydrogen Perioxide, but IT MUST BE IV and NOT ORAL. I get this about 3 times a week through my port. It makes me feel much better, more energy and also healthier. I have not had a virus or cold for over one year now, and at one point my WBC was <2. I think this is best if it is used as a conjunct with another form of chemotherapy. Right now I just started on a pill form called "Tarceva" I can say I am feeling much better generally than I did when I was on the Doxil and Carbo. Someone wanted to know if they could do this at home. No way. You would have to have too much medical equipment to do this and I don't see how you could access your own port sterilly, or start an IV on yourself. I would recommend this to anyone, but you really need to know if any of these vitamins interfere with whatever chemo you may be on. There is a really great book on this called "Antioxidants Against Cancer" by Ralph Moss. It includes which antioxidants to take or not to take with which chemotherapy. An invaluable resource! Sedonalady Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT I would appreciate if you can tell me how long you have been taking Vitamin CIV? How much is it costing for each session? My oncologist has really decided that it is the wave of the future and I take it once a week. I can't afford more than that. I have taken my fourth one this week and I am at 30 grams of Vitamin C. I also finished my chemo treatments last week. I have discussed it with the Center of Human Improvement and they have given the protocol to my oncologist. However, two times a week has been recommended. I do take many antioxidants orally such as Lipoic Acid, E, COQ10 200 mg...vitamin C- 5,000 a day orally and more. I also juice vegetables each day plus taking juice plus capsules. I am sure in the next few weeks I will be taking some scans to see how it is going. Any other information you have , I would appreciate.. Susha Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hello, I take Vitamin C 50 GMs Three times a week. My insurance covers this whole thing. I used to be the one giving the IVs as I worked there as a nurse and the insurance didn't cover it. Our office manager was savvy enough to find the right CPT code in the Medicare book. If it's covered by medicare, it is covered by many other insurances. I have a very good insurance, Blue Cross of AZ, PPO. I have done this regularly for about one month. Before that it was irregular. My local MD is an Internist who has a great interest in complementary medicine. I didn't mean to imply that taking antioxidants was "bad", just that certain ones interfere with standard chemotherapy and that this IV can do the same, depending on what chemotherapy you may be on. The entire ingredients are in the last message. I wish you good luck! Sedonalady Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT HI, Can you help me in getting the code for medicare? Or give me more information on how to find the code. My oncologist's billing office originally told me that it is not convered by any insurance. I would surely like to have my insurance pay for it. Thanks.. Susha Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Are there any side effects to taking the megadoses of Vitamin C? Susha Sun, 06 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Susha, The only side effect I have ever heard of is possibly diarrhea. I believe that happens when your bodies cells have reached saturation levels. The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages. Lemondrop Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT My husband was recently diagnosed with CLL. What is Vitamin C IV? I have heard mixed information regarding an excess of Vitamin C. Has anybody taken Vitamin C or know anything regarding Vitamin C and CLL? Thanks for your help. Cheri57 Mon, 25 Sep 2006 00:00:00 GMT Dear Rosilin i have also been searching for alternative therapy for my mum who has stage 4 breast cancer. to put it in a nutshell take a look at a website called cancertutor.com. it is really a great site. you have to read it very carefully. Regards Bobby Batman Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:00:00 GMT  On 8/4/2006 Sedonalady wrote:Hello, I take Vitamin C 50 GMs Three times a week. My insurance covers this whole thing. I used to be the one giving the IVs as I worked there as a nurse and the insurance didn't cover it. Our office manager was savvy enough to find the right CPT code in the Medicare book. If it's covered by medicare, it is covered by many other insurances. I have a very good insurance, Blue Cross of AZ, PPO. I have done this regularly for about one month. Before that it was irregular. My local MD is an Internist who has a great interest in complementary medicine. I didn't mean to imply that taking antioxidants was "bad", just that certain ones interfere with standard chemotherapy and that this IV can do the same, depending on what chemotherapy you may be on. The entire ingredients are in the last message. I wish you good luck!Hi,I have cancer and have just started the Vitamin C IV's.  Can you tell me what the proper CPT code is so the Dr. I am seeing can submit it to my insurance company?  So far they are unsure what code to use.  I appreciate your help.Sharon Kattie5 Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Dear Debbo,I just heard about vitamin C IV therapy while researching on the web for my dad (He has liver cancer). Could you please give us some doctors' names who would administer vitamin C IV treatment ? We live in the Philadelphia area. Thanks!   Ranchun Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:00:00 GMT  Hello all:Go to www.polymva.com select Doctors link and they give you a link for doctors who also practise alternative Medicine.  Does this mean the dothe IVC not necessarily but at  least you can call and ask.Re Code some doctors will not submit the IV code some just use an existing code for IV that is similar depending on why you are receiving it.I know of a lot of people who have benefited.  Look up the resarch of Linus Pauling. On 3/13/2007 Ranchun wrote:Dear Debbo,I just heard about vitamin C IV therapy while researching on the web for my dad (He has liver cancer). Could you please give us some doctors' names who would administer vitamin C IV treatment ? We live in the Philadelphia area. Thanks!    Commonsense2265 Tue, 13 Mar 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 8/3/2006 Susha wrote:I would appreciate if you can tell me how long you have been taking Vitamin CIV? How much is it costing for each session? My oncologist has really decided that it is the wave of the future and I take it once a week. I can't afford more than that. I have taken my fourth one this week and I am at 30 grams of Vitamin C. I also finished my chemo treatments last week. I have discussed it with the Center of Human Improvement and they have given the protocol to my oncologist. However, two times a week has been recommended. I do take many antioxidants orally such as Lipoic Acid, E, COQ10 200 mg...vitamin C- 5,000 a day orally and more. I also juice vegetables each day plus taking juice plus capsules. I am sure in the next few weeks I will be taking some scans to see how it is going. Any other information you have , I would appreciate.. Hello there, Yes, I was on Vitamin C IV--First I took 50 grams three times a week.  The infusions lasted for 2-3 hours.  This did something to my water retention status.   It's called 3rd spacing and caused me to retain too much water.  Then I went down to 20 Grams twice a week-1 hour infusions.  I probably continued this for about 1 year.  The office I went to had it all set up with Blue Cross and Medicare (I have BC) so that I had to pay not one dime!!!  That was good! I can't say that this really helped me at all.  In February of 2007, my PET CT came back with a mixed response.  Some of the tumors have grown and some shrunk.  I then went on Topotecan, something that interferes with the DNA duplication, which is NOT the kind of interference I need.  I became very ill, as my WBCs went way down.  I just got out of the hospital on Monday 4-30 from pneumonia/pulmonary edema--I think due to the chemo and low WBC.  I have heard though, that ONCE you have cancer, the only Vit C that really works is the IV one.  It turns into Hydrogen peroxide in the blood, which in turn kills the cancer cells.The P.O. kind is more for preventative things, like to build up your immune system.  What I need is something that interferes with the blood supply to the tumor.  Tarceva does this.  While I was on this at the Cancer Treatment Center, they did not monitor me well.  I was on antidepressants and Cipro for chronic UTIs.  You ARE NOT supposed to take these drugs with Tarceva.  Still, my CA-125 was as low as it had ever been and my PET CT was great.  I developed a horrific cough, CTCA said it was Post nasal drip--Pshaw!  I went to a local pulmonologist and he said it was Asthma and it was written all over the PDR about how this drug can cause this and how one should not take the antidepressants and Cipro, etc.  I was not monitored by the CTCA at all for this.  The cough cleared, after using basic asthma medications.  On Monday, I am going to a specialist in Phoenix to see if there are any other things and maybe even going back to Tarceve (which my insurance also covered completely with a $40 co-pay)  The Oncologist always say "oh, you can't do that, it is too expensive."  I would pay for it anyway, even if the insurance didn't. I hope this makes sense.  I have also tried Mistletoe, an injection I got from my local internist who gets it from Germany. It is used in Europe as a secondary drug with chemo.  My cancer is so rare though that it's a crap shoot and I didn't get that much relief from this either.  Keep in touch,Sedona Lady-Kathleen Wilson  Sedonalady Sat, 05 May 2007 00:00:00 GMT In regard to IV Vitamin C side effects, it is not true that diarrhea is the only side effect.  It does something to your osmolarity, and can cause you to retain water, develop pulmonary edema (which I did) and do something called 3rd space, all of which are not easy and can be potentially fatal.People tend to think "well, just because it's a vitamin or an herb it is harmless."  This is not true.  Most drugs are made from PLANTS and have very serious effects on us. Think about it and please do RESEARCH. Good luck,Sedona Lady  Sedonalady Thu, 10 May 2007 00:00:00 GMT I have been taking Vitamin C IV - 75,000 mg...2 to 3x a week for the past four months..My tumor markers have gone up and my pet scan shows more spots on my bone. Since Vit C has a similar molecular structure of glucose (cancer cells thrive on glucose) I am concerned about the Vitamin C IV. My medical dr. who is also a nutritionist has ordered an MRI next week to see if there is a difference.I have no problems with pain or anything of that nature and looking at me..you would never think there was a problem. My oncologist is very concerned since more spots on the bones have shown up since the last test three months ago.My acupuncturist has told me to try U-fn and Modifilan which I just ordered and spoke to a rep. who said that it could be very good for cancer cells. Cancer cells are tricky and can get used to anything. I have been also taking 10,000 IU of Vitamin D3 which has raised my D3 levels to a better level of 76. However, my markers are not going down and the PET scan showed more activity.Any suggestions?      Susha Thu, 17 May 2007 00:00:00 GMT Hi Sedonalady, I have seen your message posted almost a year ago on insurance covering Vitamin C IV.  Can you give me any information on the correct code to use for this therapy.  I can already tell that my oncologists office does not have a clue on coding it.  I am the first patient she has had to have this therapy.  Any info will help ...Thanks in advance. Terry Thomascade Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 5/5/2007 Sedonalady wrote: On 8/3/2006 Susha wrote:I would appreciate if you can tell me how long you have been taking Vitamin CIV? How much is it costing for each session? My oncologist has really decided that it is the wave of the future and I take it once a week. I can't afford more than that. I have taken my fourth one this week and I am at 30 grams of Vitamin C. I also finished my chemo treatments last week. I have discussed it with the Center of Human Improvement and they have given the protocol to my oncologist. However, two times a week has been recommended. I do take many antioxidants orally such as Lipoic Acid, E, COQ10 200 mg...vitamin C- 5,000 a day orally and more. I also juice vegetables each day plus taking juice plus capsules. I am sure in the next few weeks I will be taking some scans to see how it is going. Any other information you have , I would appreciate.. Hello there, Yes, I was on Vitamin C IV--First I took 50 grams three times a week.  The infusions lasted for 2-3 hours.  This did something to my water retention status.   It's called 3rd spacing and caused me to retain too much water.  Then I went down to 20 Grams twice a week-1 hour infusions.  I probably continued this for about 1 year.  The office I went to had it all set up with Blue Cross and Medicare (I have BC) so that I had to pay not one dime!!!  That was good! I can't say that this really helped me at all.  In February of 2007, my PET CT came back with a mixed response.  Some of the tumors have grown and some shrunk.  I then went on Topotecan, something that interferes with the DNA duplication, which is NOT the kind of interference I need.  I became very ill, as my WBCs went way down.  I just got out of the hospital on Monday 4-30 from pneumonia/pulmonary edema--I think due to the chemo and low WBC.  I have heard though, that ONCE you have cancer, the only Vit C that really works is the IV one.  It turns into Hydrogen peroxide in the blood, which in turn kills the cancer cells.The P.O. kind is more for preventative things, like to build up your immune system.  What I need is something that interferes with the blood supply to the tumor.  Tarceva does this.  While I was on this at the Cancer Treatment Center, they did not monitor me well.  I was on antidepressants and Cipro for chronic UTIs.  You ARE NOT supposed to take these drugs with Tarceva.  Still, my CA-125 was as low as it had ever been and my PET CT was great.  I developed a horrific cough, CTCA said it was Post nasal drip--Pshaw!  I went to a local pulmonologist and he said it was Asthma and it was written all over the PDR about how this drug can cause this and how one should not take the antidepressants and Cipro, etc.  I was not monitored by the CTCA at all for this.  The cough cleared, after using basic asthma medications. On Monday, I am going to a specialist in Phoenix to see if there are any other things and maybe even going back to Tarceve (which my insurance also covered completely with a $40 co-pay)  The Oncologist always say "oh, you can't do that, it is too expensive."  I would pay for it anyway, even if the insurance didn't. I hope this makes sense.  I have also tried Mistletoe, an injection I got from my local internist who gets it from Germany. It is used in Europe as a secondary drug with chemo.  My cancer is so rare though that it's a crap shoot and I didn't get that much relief from this either.  Keep in touch,Sedona Lady-Kathleen Wilson  The oral pill sounds scarry, Try DCA, it's harmless and since July 17, 2007 the FDA has banned it's sale in the US for Cancer treatment, but it cuts off blood supply to tumors. TM is also good, it removes the copper from your body and the food you eat.  Copper is what fuels cancer cells to thrive.www.thedcasite.com and http://www.infiltec.com/anticopper/ good luckRavYnsMooN      RavYnsMooN Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 7/22/2006 Kennu wrote:I was diagnosed with prostate cancer in March of this year and decided to try IV vitamin C therapy. Have had five weekly treatments, starting with 25g and prgressing to 50g. Have had severe stomach problems in the last few weeks which seem to be related to the IV treatments. But understand that this is not a normal reaction to Vitamin C. I wonder if anyone else has had similar side effects from Vitamin C treatment. I want to continue the IV's but don't like the "belly aches" and frequent trips to the John. Any comments would be appreciated.i have been on c-iv since april 07 started with 30 grams went to 60 then 75 grams psa didnt drop until 75 grams i take 4 grams of c orally during iv also snacks no stomach pain do have diarea  also drink 8oz pomagranet juice daily 12 oz burgandy wine a dayjackbe jackbe Tue, 14 Aug 2007 00:00:00 GMT