CancerCompass message board discussion started by Adria on 5/30/2005 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,2159,0.htm Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:00:00 GMT Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ I've just been diagnosed w/bladder cancer & have had the tumor removed. Don't know if it had matastasized as tests are not yet in. Has anyone on this forum used any alternative non-toxic treatment such as IP6, Graviola, flax oil & cottage cheese, cesium high pH therapy, Protocel? I've been reading an interesting book: Outsmart Your Cancer, by Tanya Harter Pierce. Thank you Adria Mon, 30 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT I too am newly diagnosed with stage III colon cancer. I have a few people trying to talk me out of chemo and using just a nutrition solution. I have already purchased Immunopower and now I see Immunomax or something. Another has recommmended benonite clay and fulvic minerals which he used and said worked on his tumor. There are many, many books out there. I saw that Kim Dalzell (?) mentioned her book but I cannot locate in the stores. I will check with her on when the latest printing was. Has anyone used the Immunopower designed by a previous person at CCA or the supplements they are selling now? Anything?? thanks Logikal Mon, 30 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Logical -- I've heard of Immunepower, but don't use it. I DO believe it's very important to try to boost your immune system as the NK (Natural Killer) cells as well as T-cells and B-cells help your body to fight any invader, cancer included. In Feb (before all this started) I began taking Transfer Factor which is supposed to boost NK cells by some HUGE amount. I've not been able to get a copy of the blood test which would tell me whether NK cells have increased, but surely they have.If you would obtain a copy of a CBC, look at "lymphocytes", which is a way of checking if your immune system is doing well or not. My number is around 7, where 20 to 50 is normal (different labs have different "normal" numbers). This tells me that my immune system is in very poor condition. There are just soooo many things one can do to help our bodies fight the cancer. I have decided on the Cesium high pH protocol. Adria Adria Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT I am not aware of either the TF of the cesium therapy - guess I have more studying to do. Thanks for the info on the CBC. I actually have a dr appt tomorrow and they should have blood work on me. Logikal Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Logikal -- I ALWAYS ask for a copy of my blood draw report - that way you can compare & ask questions, rather than just listen to what Dr. has to say. In fact you can ask for copies of ALL of the stuff in your file, including Dr.'s comments. You may learn more that way - things you may not have thought to inquire about. Adria Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT thanks, is the CEA number listed on the report under CEA or something else, do you know? Logikal Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Sorry, I'm not familiar with CEA....do you know what it stands for? Adria Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT I don't have anything in front of me to tell you the full, long name but CEA is a number that they use as a tumor marker. I am trying to get more info on it myself. I think it is a blood count. If the number goes up it is bad and may, but not always, represent cancer growth or spreading of cancer. I think the low number is good. You need to check on this in case I have my facts backwards. Logikal Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT I'll look into it also. I've not heard of it. Did read the other day, though, of a urine test called CGH (chorionic gonadotrophic hormone)...With a higher than normal number, you are either pregnant (yes, that's right), or about 95%, cancer somewhere in your body. It has to do with a hormone that happens in the very early stages of pregnancy, or when cells are growing rapidly (as they are in early pregnancy)...Interesting, huh? Learned this from the book "Outsmart Your Cancer". Adria Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT What I just learned is that the CEA is one of many tumor marker blood tests available. It is specific for colorectal cancer so you're right on. There isn't one listed for bladder cancer, so will speak to Dr. about which one. Thanks for tuning me into this sort of thing. As you can see, I'm new at it, also. Adria Tue, 31 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi Adria - just wanted to thank you again for the cbc. I picked up my blood report from pre-surgery, end of august and my lymphocytes are 29.8. that made me feel a bit better. now i'll have to get my more recent one from a week or so ago. also, i haven't check out the therapy that you decided to do but wanted to share with you that my kinesiologist (?) had me buy something called Wobenzym N capsules to boost the enzymes and immune system. he said he uses them for other cancer patients. also had me buy bentonite clay. You should check them out on the internet. Let me know how your cbc looks with the transfer factor! be well. Logikal Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hello again Logikal....I, also, take a metabolic enzyme - it's called Zymitol. I'm sure it's very similar to Wobenzyme (which I've taken before)....be sure to take between meals or else the enzymes will be used as digestive enzymes, rather than metabolic. I put 4 or 6 of them on the bathroom counter along with a glass of water & take them 2 or 3 at a time during the night when I get up. Be sure to drink enough water which will, of course, ensure another run to the bathroom for more..... Glad your lymphocytes are normal, altho higher may be better. Bentonite Clay is really good for cleansing the colon. Another good product. Adria Adria Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:00:00 GMT Iam currently researching this treatment on behalf of my sister and wonder how you are faring on it. Are you doing it under your own steam or is there supervision of some sort? Deedeecass Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT Deedeecass - I've been taking Cesium (& lots of potassium) for about 6 weeks now. Tumor was surgically removed May 10th. Cysto on June 30th showed NO tumor development & the bladder is known to regenerate rapidly, so I feel the Cesium is working. A good book that tells of a # of alternative treatments is "Outsmart Your Cancer" by Tanya Harter Pierce, a 2004 book. Another I've just begun reading is "Cancer Cover-up" by Kathleen Deoul about her husband getting rid of his prostate cancer w/Cesium & aloe vera. Both good books. Now the downside. In addition to the tingling of nose & lips, I have a "not-to-good" taste in my mouth, and have diarrhea off and on. Both easy to put up with, considering..... I chose the Cesium protocol because I know that I have a poor immune system & an acidic body condition. The products ASH has along with the Cesium are designed to raise the pH, and they have for me. Diet is also important both for the cancer, and for the pH. Here's my ASH web page: http://www.advancedscientifichealth.com/pweb.asp?SID=707494. Read it all. Call into the free conference calls on Wed. evening and Sat. morning to learn LOTS more. Best wishes to you and sister. Write me if you want more info. I've been doing this on my own, but with the help of the conference calls. You must start somewhere & I believe Cesium is the way to go. I may add whole-leaf aloe if I can find some. Adria Adria Sat, 23 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi, I use young living oils and suppplements. They build the immune system to. They have a juice called wolfeberry that is wonderful. We are also acquainted with a Dr. Hsia who has interesting supplements and studies to go with it. There is a book called "prescription Nurtition for natural health" Bach and bach that may give you some insite. However, we did have the bladder removed in April and are just working on his health right now. Rose Rose 123 Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:00:00 GMT My mom was diagnosed with stage III Ovarian Cancer and we would like to start her on the Cesium Chloride before she tries chemo. Any information you could give me about how it is working for you would be great. Thank you for your time... I am scared for my mother :( Shannal Sat, 28 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT