CancerCompass message board discussion started by chemiszt24 on 7/3/2008 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,25671,0.htm Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:00:00 GMT Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ When I came home from work last night I got the best message ever... after 6 months of vitamins, supplements and Betamannin I have a normal pap!!!! This is my first normal pap in 2 years... 2 abnormal colps and now a normal pap.. I am soooo excited... ladies please take a look at Tany's message I was following the same type of regimen as she was and it has worked for the both of us...  chemiszt24 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT I am so happy for you! Especially since your awful doctor wanted to immediately do a LEEP but then decided on a wait-and-see approach for six months when you asked for a different procedure. I imagine it will be hard to not gloat in her face, as I suspect she was hoping your condition would get worse so that you would be easier to coherce into the LEEP.Tanya's and your messages give so much hope!I am truly happy for you! herenow Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT I'm happy for her too, but I think your comments, herenow, are out of line.  Awfull Doctor, trying to correrce a patient , gloat in her face., To have this opinion and to state in such a way without any true knowledge about the Doc' competency is not a good thing. Arnold Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Arnold, she emailed me privately and told me some of the comments her doctor had made to her, which were appalling. I won't repeat them without her permission. But no, I don't regard my comments out of line. I regard the doctor out of line. Based on what the doctor has said to her, I think she should get a different doctor. But I respect Chemiszt24's right to choose. She may not be in an area where there are many doctors to choose from.I think there are some doctors who do have the patient's best interest at heart and want the patient to make an informed decision by educating as fully as possible. There are doctors who do have the patient's best interest at heart but have their hands too tightly tied by insurance companies, and so the options they have to give patients are limited. There are also doctors who just aren't experienced enough to make the best decisions for a patient. There are also doctors who are more interested in convenience and want to shuffle patients in and out of the office as quickly as possible, while making money on the side. I think it's not only important for a patient to do the homework on her (or his) condition and treatment options, as well as which insurance carrier and which corporation will benefit financially from certain treatments, but it's important to do the homework on a particular doctor. I know that from personal experience. herenow Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT What is real and what you imagine are two different things.  To imagine that the doctor would hope that the patient would take a turn for the worse so they could treat incorrectly and take the "payoff" is out of line.  Also, that the patient should gloat in front of the doctor is out of line.  Your last statement is more in line with your thinking and your positions (I assume)and it  is certainly your right to express that accordingly.  We get your message without you extrapolating from what you know privately and "imagining" what might have occured.  That along with "spanking doctors" and that a doctor is "awfull" is not a good tone for us who are trying to be positive and forward looking.  Many of us rely heavily on our doctors who have saved our lives and your tone is very demeaning to the professionals most of who are there to help us. Arnold Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Arnold, my response was based on what she told me. I'm sorry if that offended you. But there is more to the story than you realize.To me, being positive is to be as educated as possible, which includes the doctor who is chosen. That gets the patient as fully involved in the decision-making process. herenow Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT I have no arguement with what you say one way or the other. It is your tone and the fact you assume what may not be true.  I am not offended at all.  If you have comments to make based on private information you have received, send another private post. Arnold Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT I can certainly keep my comments to her private.I am curious, though. Why are you sticking up for doctors? If you read some of the threads on this forum, you'll see enough badly handled cases to know women should always question everything, including their doctors and their doctors' motives, in order to make the best decisions possible about their cases. herenow Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Thank you for posting that! The information on that link was very informational and good. I'm going to bookmark it. I appreciate the support, too. I'm perplexed why a man is posting on a forum for cervical cancer and taking great offense at what I posted about doctors. But so be it. herenow Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT My experience with my mother's lung cancer left me feeling that doctors actually know very little.  So much seems to be trial and error at this point.   Roz Rosalind Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT  On 7/3/2008 chemiszt24 wrote:When I came home from work last night I got the best message ever... after 6 months of vitamins, supplements and Betamannin I have a normal pap!!!! This is my first normal pap in 2 years... 2 abnormal colps and now a normal pap.. I am soooo excited... ladies please take a look at Tany's message I was following the same type of regimen as she was and it has worked for the both of us... Wow this is realy good news Im so happy for you two . Betamannin I think thats made from Aloe Vera but not sure though. could you tell me what vitamins you were both on and the dose best news ever God bless cheers Ray jcr65566 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Honest mistake - I wasn't addressing you - it was meant for another person.  I will make sure I send her comments directly.  Thank you for pointing that out. Arnold Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT whoa I go camping for a few days and I miss a lot... Arnold... my doc did give me a lot of problems and she refused to do any other treatments other than a LEEP.. which I wanted to avoid at all costs... Herenow's personal experiences along with mine have left a bad taste in our mouths about western medicine. and Betamannan is an aloe vera extract... kinda gross as you have to take it orally and internally..but it was totally worth it to get a normal pap.  chemiszt24 Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Agtain, it was all about tone and not content.  I am very happy for you and I pray you continue down this road.  I have been fighting colon cancer for 4 years and my last PET scan two weeks ago showed no mets or malignancies!!  I am NED after 4 years and we are going camping next week. I know how you feel when you get such great news!! Arnold Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Chemiszt24, I am truly happy this all turned out well for you! You have given me so much hope that my vitamen/supplement regimen is helping my immunity. My three-month PAP smear was normal, and thanks to Tanya's and your stories, I am hopeful my upcoming PAP smear will be clear, too.I am also drinking the Green Drink, which Tumor posted, in the "homeopathy" thread. If you want that recipe, keep scrolling down. It has a lot of gold stars on it, which makes it easy to find. I can also email the recipe if you want it, too. herenow Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Congratulations!!! It makes me feel really good to see that for one I am not the only one who questioned the doctor's 1st steps to get rid of my CIN2 and two that going the natural way DID help us both. I am sure that the thought of having to have the LEEP procedure was very scary for you as it was for me. It makes me happy to see that we were able to clear our bodies without surgery. I will continue to take my vitamins to make sure it does not reappear. Im sure you will as well. Tany tany01 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT Congratulations, Chemiszt24!  I am glad the vitamin regime worked, this gives me a lot of hope.I had my LEEP done in February, results: CIN 3, gland involvement, negative margins.  I wish I had done more research before I had the LEEP, though. I would have started the vitamin routine sooner and maybe not have had the LEEP.  I'm taking a pre-natal and some extra vitamin E and C and just recently added CoQ10.It's now five months later and I received good news about my most recent pap and ECC.  Negative for abnormalities and HPV.   This may not be as radical as going from CIN 2 to normal, but I am thrilled.I want to thank you for your informative posts and updating all of us with your current condition.  I hope you continue to keep us informed.   lilybird Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT I wish I had known about the vitamin regimen sooner, too. I had CIN I with focal CIN II in less than two quadrants, as well as cervicitis. Knowing what I now know, I had time to try other options, first, before getting the LEEP that destroyed the quality of my life from all the complications. herenow Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT