CancerCompass message board discussion started by rocky4106 on 7/4/2008 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,25711,0.htm Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:00:00 GMT Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ Hi, I am 52 fit and have no symptoms of prostate problems. On 28/5/07 i had a routine health check and had a PSA of 12.2 so had a biop and they found anenocarcinoma but due to incoputant private surgen in Thailand it was inconclusive. so I went back to uk where after another biop they found no significant pathology in the right lobe but in the left... 5 cores 26mm, in 2 cores it showed an infiltrating adenocarcinoma, gleason 6 (3+3) occupying 5% or total core volume. no vascular or perineral invasion. I had to return to Thailand after biop and had an MRI and bone scan which were normal. My psa reading is now 13 and acording to the doc who gave me a digital exam the prostate was small, so the doc recomended a 6 month course of hormone then bracitheropy. I dont know if this is good advise so will be looking for a second opinion. Can anyone please advise. Many Thanks for you timeRecap...psa13 / gleason 3+3 / no symtoms rocky4106 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT  On 7/4/2008 rocky4106 wrote:Hi, I am 52 fit and have no symptoms of prostate problems. On 28/5/07 i had a routine health check and had a PSA of 12.2 so had a biop and they found anenocarcinoma but due to incoputant private surgen in Thailand it was inconclusive. so I went back to uk where after another biop they found no significant pathology in the right lobe but in the left... 5 cores 26mm, in 2 cores it showed an infiltrating adenocarcinoma, gleason 6 (3+3) occupying 5% or total core volume. no vascular or perineral invasion. I had to return to Thailand after biop and had an MRI and bone scan which were normal. My psa reading is now 13 and acording to the doc who gave me a digital exam the prostate was small, so the doc recomended a 6 month course of hormone then bracitheropy. I dont know if this is good advise so will be looking for a second opinion. Can anyone please advise. Many Thanks for you timeRecap...psa13 / gleason 3+3 / no symtoms hi rocky4106 sorry you have cancer  I have prostrate cancer to Iv known about it for a year now an operation is out of the question mainly  because of weight problems and a bit of heart trouble I don’t believe in baracitherapy. I seen to many patient have the cancer come back after five years  So after getting advice from this site I’m on the so called Alterative therapy I had a problem emptying my bladder so now Im taking saw pimento  the first thing I was advisee to do to fight my cancer was to start taking two 1000mg tablets of Bi-O vitamin C at every meal  and don’t eat or drink any think that has Simple sugar in it these are the sugars we put into cups of tea Coffee cakes biscuits’ fructose Sugar found in fruit may be all right to have later but simple sugar feeds cancer read the post  Below its a copy of a post sent to me  from Cancer compass member Shemay that helped me a lot the fruit Pawpaw is the only thing know that will kill prostrate cancer ever chemo wont touch it.  Paw Paw extract contains (among other active ingredients) acetogenins which modulate the production of ATP in mitochondria of cancer cells. This reduces the growth of blood vessels that nourish cancer cells. It also inhibits the growth of MDR (multiple drug resistance) cells. No other alternative or conventional cancer treatment (except treatments from trees similar to Paw Paw) has shown any effectiveness against MDR cells.Paw Paw extract contains (among other active ingredients) acetogenins which modulate the production of ATP in mitochondria of cancer cells. This reduces the growth of blood vessels that nourish cancer cells. It also inhibits the growth of MDR (multiple drug resistance) cells. No other alternative or conventional cancer treatment (except treatments from trees similar to Paw Paw) has shown any effectiveness against MDR cells.Thanks for your kind words of support and thank you for the information on Paw Paw. Yes, please do let us all know how it works out for you. The medical doctor who gives me the Intravenous vitamin C treatments began his career as a geneticist, went on to become a medical doctor, then studied further and now practices alternative and complementary medicine. He is highly respected in our community both as a medical practitioner and as a scientist. I will attach some information on Paw Paw from his site and also some on his recommendations for daily intake of ascorbic acid. (VitC) which I hope will be helpful for you and others as well. Best regards. Sheila_________________________ Throughout traditional societies there have been herbal preparations, alone or in combination, which have been used in the treatment of cancer. With today's scientific methods, many of these traditional herbs are being tested in attempts to categorize and elucidate the efficacy and mechanisms of action. Some of these herbs have been found to indeed be active and useful in a treatment program for cancers. One such herb is an extract of the Paw Paw tree. Paw Paw, also known as Indian Banana is an indigenous tree which grows in the Eastern Regions of North America, with some varieties found in the tropics and the South American Rain Forest. Graviola is member of this family. In exciting research done at Purdue University it has been found that an extract of Paw Paw twigs harvested at a particular time of year has high levels of a compound which has very specific actions on cancer cells. This preparation is well tolerated and does not interfere with other therapies such as chemotherapy and radiation. ____________________________ Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) and Self Care Vitamin C had been known to have anti viral activity since 1936. There are case studies showing VitC to have antiviral effects on the Pertussis virus (causes whooping cough), the cold virus, the Herpes virus, the Cytomegalovirus and an Influenza type virus. The Natural Killer Cells are the 'search and destroy' cells of the immune system. They search out viruses, bacteria and other foreign invaders, as well as altered cells such as cancer cells and after finding them, act to kill them. These cells have molecular pumps on their surfaces which concentrate VitC in order to form hydrogen peroxide amongst other things in order to carry out this activity. This is just one of the ways in which ascorbic acid acts as an immune stimulant. Antioxidant activity of Vitamin C During an infection there is a 'storm of free radical generation'. It is the damaging effects of free radicals on cell membranes, structural molecules such as collagen, enzymes and as such severely disrupts cellular functioning. This produces the tissues effects seen specific to the organ system in which the infection occurs. The body has its own enzyme system which neutralizes one type of free radical molecule-the superoxide molecule, is neutralized by the selenium added to a nutritional strategy in viral infections such as Hepatitis and HIV improves outcome. But the selenium-SOD system is specific to the superoxide radical and ineffective against other radical oxygen species. Vitamin C is nature's premeir antioxidant scavenger which stops free radicall damage. Human Beings all have a genetic disease; they lack the enzyme gulano lactate oxidase which finalizes the conversion of glucose to ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). Nearly all organisms on Earth have an enzyme system which converts glucose into the vital nutrient ascorbic acid. Humans, the higher primates, the guinea pig and the fruit bat all have genetic mutations which interferes with the cells ability to make ascorbic acid, thus making it imperative that they take in adequate amounts in their diet or as a supplement. In order to maintain cellular levels of vitamin c it is important to 'pulse' doses of vitamin c throught the day. Remember that all organisms, exscepting those mentioned above continuously make vitamin C from glucose in order to keep levels high. In humans a dose of vitamin C will last for about 6 hours in the blood, this is the rationale for the 'flow through' model of frequent dosing of this all important vitamin. In all cases in order for an effect to be seen dosage and frequency of the administration is of critical. A gram dose (1,000 mg = 1 gram) of Vitamin C has been shown to have minimal effects on the progress of the common cold and presumably would have little effect on more invasive, pathogenic viruses. A sustained intake of higher doses in the 2 to 5 gram range has been shown to have moderate effects. High levels of 10 to 70 grams may be required for effect on virulent, infections. Case studies indicate that intravenous Ascorbic Acid is effective in serious viral infections. Pulsing Vitamin C. An easy way of obtaining optimal levels of vitamin C is to take 500 - 1,000mg doses with each meal and at bedtime. (This gives a person the 2 to 4 gram amount that would be extrapolated from ascorbic acid synthesis in other organisms.) During times of infection or other illnesses which will increase free radical stress on the organism, higher amounts of vitamin C can be utilised to increase the effectiveness of the immune system and other repair systems of the body. In these cases 2 to 5 grams (2,000 to 5,000 mg) of VitC repeated every few hours is needed to counter the amounts of free radicals which are formed in these highly oxidative states. During a 24 hour period doses of 10 to 70 grams and more may be required to be maximally effective. At these high doses a certain amount of gastric upset, excess gas and increased stools will be experienced, in most cases these are well tolerated and do not interfere in the persons ability to take the supplement. In cases where one exceeds the amount of vitamin C that the gastric-intestinal tract can absorb the excess travels to the large bowel where it induces a liquidy diarrhea. In such cases so called 'bowel tolerance' has been achieved. If this is the case the person would cut back by 25% and decrease the frequency of taking the vitamin. This often happens when the illness process is abating and is often a sign that tapering the vitamin can be done. Drink plenty of fluids with these high doses of vitamin C. Vitamin C is also helpful and potentiates the effects of many other therapies, especially antibiotics. How to make a Vitamin C drink. An easy, effective, economical way of taking these optimal doses of VitaminC is in taking ascorbic acid in the pure crystaline powder form: 1/4 (one quarter) teaspoon is equal to 1 gram (1,000 mg). Take 1/4 to 1 (1,000mg to 5,000mg) teaspoon depending on the concentration you want, add a small amount of warm water to disolve the powder, then add your favourite juice and dilute with water. Sip this over an hour and you should easily assimilate the ascorbic acid without gastric upset. Experiment with juices and remember to drink plenty of water afterwards. Suitable juices include orange, grapefruit, apple, pear and apricot nectars, mango, grape, cranberry and pomegranate to mention a few. Vegetable juices are a good substitute if sugar intake is a concern. Many people find ascorbic acid powder in pure water to be a suitable way of taking the vitamin.     jcr65566 Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:00:00 GMT