CancerCompass message board discussion started by Tonyr on 1/25/2006 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,4244,0.htm Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:00:00 GMT Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ Anyone heard of a new supplement with cancer curing qualities called POLY-MVA I am interested in it, it is rather expensive $200 plus per bottle and have heard some rather fansinating results, amittedly I am in the beginning stages of researching this supplement, any info is helpful thanks Tony Tonyr Wed, 25 Jan 2006 00:00:00 GMT There's very little published research on PolyMVA. Only anecdotal evidence. But I know of two people who say they feel very good on it. I'm sure you are aware that there are many other better-researched and documented options. You could have a look at www.self-helpcancer.info for a brief review of PolyMVA and other options. The site is non-commercial, and written by a cancer patient (myself!). Good luck. John. Johnhourie Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT Dear John. I am touting NCD because of all the positive results that I have read about.My mother has leukemia and my sister-in-law has stage IV lung cancer and because of a recommendation from my doctor friend who has knowledge of natural supplements are now taking it. Here is a link to an article about NCD. http://www.newstarget.com/015232.html and a link to the website that sells NCD http://my.waiora.com/home.php?132130 Best wishes for a fast recovery. Joan Joans Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi Joan So far as I understand it, zeolite is volcanic ash and suffers from some of the same ills as vermiculite and asbestos. It is carcinogenic! If you do a google search for "zeolite cancer", you'll find a lot of research indicating the carcinogenic properties of zeolite. There is a lot of hype out there, promoting zeolite. But it seems pretty much unfounded. If you have links to definitive research studies, unequivocally demonstrating that zeolite deals with cancer, without danger, I'd be very interested to check them out. In the world of science, testimonials are worth very little. When you look at the marketing of nutritional supplements from the eye of a cancer patient, the hype stands out a mile. To parody Mark Twain/Benjamin Disraeli and various others to whom the saying has been attributed, "There's lies, damned lines, statistics, and advertising." Of course, everyone has to make a living. But to do so while maintaining complete integrity is often a challenge. Most advertising is a step on the road to lack of integrity. It's a shame folk have to hype things up. But it seems that the less the evidence, the greater the hype! Take care Johnhourie Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi John, Link to article: http://www.newstarget.com/015232.html This is an excerpt from the article: "Critics of NCD, however, are saying this substance causes cancer. How can that be? They're referring to the fibrous structure of zeolite crystals and the problems encountered when a person inhales tiny crystalline structures. Inhaling asbestos, for example, is known to cause lung cancer. The tiny, knife-edge fibers in asbestos slice up the tissues of your lungs, then embed themselves and interfere with normal lung tissue function, ultimately leading to cancer (20 or 30 years down the road, sometimes). My first response to the critics is simply that the zeolites in NCD are never inhaled. This is a product that's swallowed, not breathed in. So we're talking apples and oranges here. Of course volcanic rock will cause cancer if you grind it into fine dust and inhale it for hours on end. Almost any crystalline substance would do the same. But consuming it orally is an entirely different story. We consume many other crystalline structures orally, including minerals and amino acids from our daily diet. Silica, for one, is a common nutritional supplement, and there's no indication that swallowing silica is harmful. Even spinach contains crystalline structures. And zeolites are on the GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) list maintained by the FDA. Not that the FDA has any credibility in my view, but it is a GRAS substance. You can see this GRAS status mentioned at: http://www.gsaresources.com/PDSZK406H.htm. There, the page goes on to explain, "Natural zeolites are inert, non-toxic minerals which are federally classified as GRAS (generally recognized as safe) in most applications and exempted from regulations and reporting when used in accordance with good agricultural practice and when less than 2% in animal feed products (40 CFR, Part 180.1001)." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Related book: Obesity Cancer & Depression: Their Common Cause & Natural Cure This book, the result of over 20 years of research, looks at the conditions of obesity, cancer and depression through a new physiological perspective and offers a new approach in preventing and treating... continues... (Concept: cancer) I would also question the critics of zeolites with an obvious question: if zeolites caused cancer, then how did 78% of the stage 4 cancer patients in the clinical trial find themselves in a state of full remission after taking NCD? Obviously, if the substance promoted cancer, those people should never have survived the study. Seven subjects didn't survive, actually, but they were late-stage cancer patients, and the trial lasted 14 months. Keep in mind this was a small study, so it doesn't prove anything conclusively all by itself. I've seen some talk on the 'net that claims this substance has been proven to cure all cancers with a 100% cure rate and other similar nonsense. That's extremely irresponsible, given how little we actually know about the efficacy of this supplement in the context of different diseases or conditions. More research clearly needs to be conducted. It may someday be solidly proven that NCD prevents or treats cancers, but the supplement is nowhere near that status today. (It would cost probably half a billion dollars just to fund the studies to determine the answer to those questions, by the way.) The Scientific Research Monograph by Rik Deitsch explains more about the safety of NCD: The zeolite particles are negatively charged in the entire pH range (pH 1-11). Electron microscopy shows an absence of fibers, and most particles are round with a very rough surface. The absence of fibrous, positively charged particles is encouraging since such particles are present in asbestos and erionite zeolites, which are highly carcinogenic and mutagenic. In addition, activated zeolite particles do not catalyze the production of hydroxyl radicals, unlike asbestos or erionite. It seems that absence of fibrous particles capable of producing hydroxyl radicals makes this zeolite sample nontoxic and noncarcinogenic, at least when applied orally." I will let you know in a few weeks when my mother has her blood test. Thanks for caring, Joan Joans Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi Joan Do you have an actual links to published data? As, for instance, on the human trial you mention. Nothing positive comes up with on google and other search engines. Only indications of zeolite's carcinogenic nature. I looked at zeolite earlier when putting my site together (www.self-helpcancer.info), and could find nothing to support the claims. So I omitted it. I'm sure you are aware that there are many phytochemicals that are known from scientific studies (either in vitro, animal studies, and sometimes human studies - clinical or epidemiological)to perhaps help cancer patients. I went for these rather than currently unsubstantiated, and possibly dangerous, substances. Another thing where the hype is high and the evidence low are goji berries. And the debate rages on between suppliers as to whether Chinese or Tibetan berries are the best. C'est la vie! Take care John Johnhourie Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT I have know about it for 8 plus years, use it for myself and my family as a daily supplement and recommend it. I have lost two immediate family members to cancer so i have looked into many things for health reasons. Their is actually much research on it visit www.electrogenetics.com, www.facr.net, www.polymva.com, www.centurywellness.com It is a very unique product that works at the cellular level and the electron trasport chain to provide many positive effects both for general nutriton and health as well as the protective and supportive effects in areas like cancer and other degenerative condtions. Good luck and a safe journey. Allen s. Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT A quick note: we've changed our web address to: http://www.self-helpcancer.org John Johnhourie Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT Tony, Are you still out there? I started taking Poly MVA 2 weeks ago. I pay $180.00 for the 8 oz bottle. The 3 different distributors charge $230.00 (I believe). Apparently my doctor is passing on his cost to me. I've read a lot of positive stuff about this. I have spoken with one gentleman who is into his 8th year after being given 3 months to a year to live. He takes POLY MVA along with many other nutrients. I have his entire prodicol if you'd like it emailed to you. Or better yet, I'll give you his email address if you'd like. I am also beginning Vit C IV Therapy this week. My oncologist is aware of all of the nutrients & therapies I am starting to take. Much luck, Rosilyn Rosilyn Tue, 29 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi, My name is Simon, I saw Your Message RE: poly-mva and i was wondering since have u acquired a broader knowledge of the substance, you see my mother was recently diagnosed with teminal cancer of the lymph nodes and she was sent a bottle of this "Zeolite" by a friend and apparently it helps alot, so im looking further into it , any information would be helpful, please email me at --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed.  Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ----Regards Aussie-kid Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT hello, my name is simon, i was wondering if u could send me some information on zeolite, my mother was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer, and she trialed a bottle of zeolite and apparently she felt alot better, she cannont offord it i can however, i am currently gathering as much information as i can before i start buying it for her thankyouvery much for your timeRegards Aussie-kid Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT You mentioned someone who is on their 8th year after being given 3 months to live.  I wonder if you could email me his protocol?  Thanks.  --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed.  Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---- Karin1 Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT On 1/7/2007 Aussie-kid wrote:hello, my name is simon, i was wondering if u could send me some information on zeolite, my mother was recently diagnosed with terminal cancer, and she trialed a bottle of zeolite and apparently she felt alot better, she cannont offord it i can however, i am currently gathering as much information as i can before i start buying it for her thankyouvery much for your timeRegards yes WWW.MYWAIORA.COM/820544 I HOPE IS EVERYTHING GOES WELL FOR YOU AND MOM Dol909 Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:00:00 GMT My grandfather has just started taking Poly-MVA and though expensive it is promising. here is some information on it. I hope it helps you with whatever it is you need it for. Also In my research I have found it is promotional to overall health. Its beneficial to healthy cells. Harmful to cancer cells. When we had our consulation with our Dr. he said it contains a mineral called Pallium that is worth more than platnium(hence the high price's). But there is zero chance of Metal poisoning due to the way that Pallium is bound with alpha-lipoic acid. The other substance in Poly-MVA. The bond is so strong it cant break free. And also, Pallium is attracted to cancer cells and the way it interacts with the cancer( any type) makes the Cancer kill itself. And I repeat. No harm to healthy cells. It can also breach the Blood-Brain Barrier which is very hard to penetrate so it can get into Brain Cancers as well. It is both water and fat soluble meaning it can go anywhere and everywhere in the body. Here's my information and their sources.  http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar_2003/polymva0203.htm Recognized Poly-MVA Therapeutic Benefits From the established therapeutic effects of its alpha lipoic acid/palladium complex, Poly-MVA provides at least 13 recognized anticancer benefits. The benefits are reproduced here from observations described by Dr. Merrill Garnett in a series of reports published on his animal studies conducted at the Garnett McKeen Laboratory in Islip, New York. One by one over time, he has advised that the lipoic acid/palladium complex (LAPd) does the following:8 1. LAPd causes an indefinite variety of immune system responses, but with specific manifestations as indicated in the twelve additional attributes listed below. 2. LAPd seeks out and destroys cancer cells anywhere in the body by stealing their electromagnetic energy. 3. LAPd invigorates normal cells and helps to repair any damage the invasive cancer may have left behind. 4. LAPd reduces tumor size or causes the tumor to shink. 5. LAPd produces an idiosyncratic set of effects which include a pattern of lag-arrest-slow death of cancer cells from an inhibition of their energy metabolism. 6. LAPd prevents sterol biosynthesis, thereby preventing new cancer cell plasma membrane synthesis. 7. LAPd shows a very large fraction of sensitive cancer cells as a morphological feature. 8. LAPd promotes the growth of proliferating normal cells surrounding a core of central tumor necrosis consisting of dead cancer cells. 9. LAPd stimulates the infiltration of leukocytes for the removal of cancer cell debris. 10. LAPd has absolutely no toxic reaction – no adverse side effects. 11. LAPd accomplishes its therapeutic benefits in both animals and humans. 12. LAPd works against cancer of many types not only as an orally administered liquid but also perhaps even more effectively as an intravenous injection. 13. LAPd reduces the incidence of cachexia with a potential for increased body weight of the frail cancer patient. Being aware of the LAPd actions in Poly-MVA, Robert D. Milne, MD, Medical Director of the Milne Medical Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, has employed the metallovitamin complex for a family member and for the adjunctive nutritional healing of cancer in numbers of patients. He does not treat cancer but offers his patients nutritional support for their cancer. Poly-MVA is one of the more vital nutrients that Dr. Milne recommends. "After undergoing a full oncological evaluation, my father-in-law at age 69 asked me to help him with a potentially deadly 14-cm by 2.5 cm-size Stage 3 transitional cell carcinoma of the bladder producing right-ureter obstruction," explains Dr. Milne. "Hospitalized in a critical care unit for ten days with acute respiratory distress syndrome from his adverse reaction to chemotherapy, my father-in-law was no longer a candidate for cytotoxic therapy. Upon my educating him about Poly-MVA, he undertook a therapeutic trial of this nutritional agent. With the Poly-MVA, I also recommended that he take 500 mg daily of coenzyme Q10 and 25 tablets daily of pancreatic enzymes. The treatment proved successful for him. "His original tumor biopsy taken July 2001 was reported by the pathologist as 'invasive carcinoma Grade 2 with invasion into the muscularis propria.' Using just the nutritional program I had recommended," says Dr. Milne, "a report on the six-month followup biopsy of my father-in-law's tumor on January 11, 2002 stated, 'There is no cancer.' And his CAT scan showed, 'No evidence of the tumor in this patient's bladder.' "I believe that the Poly-MVA adjunct for this patient was exceedingly helpful, and the work of Dr. Merrill Garnett is truly remarkable. It's different from any other therapy that has ever been done against cancer," says Dr. Robert D. Milne. "Based on my father-in-law's excellent result and the results experienced by many others, I truly believe that Poly-MVA is worth trying by any person who has cancer or wants to prevent its onset." http://www.polymvasurvivors.com/ http://www.polymvasurvivors.com/ testimonials.html (Testimonials written by the survivors. 17 diffrent types of cancer in these testemonials ranging from Brain to Colon) The substance in Poly-MVA called Palladium is a heavy metal. But the way it is bound to Lipoic Acid that is in Poly-MVA prevents it from seeping into the body. Basically this means the chance of anyone taking it(i.e. your Dad and my Grandpa) is Zero. Chemotherapy also has nowhere near the success rate of Poly-MVA nor does radiation treatment. Source: http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/repfromconth.html (read everthing in it. Important) Clinical Studies The first report of clinical studies of PolyMVA was presented by the late Rudolf E. Falk, an oncological surgeon at the University of Toronto, in March 1994. Dr. Falk reported that the compound was administered intravenously, subcutaneously (under the skin) and per Os in a modified phase 2 study. To quote from Dr. Falk's summary, "95 patients were treated; these included breast, lung, colorectal, prostate, pancreatic, ovarian, malignant melanoma and primary brain neoplasia. 90% of the patients were in the category of having failed all available therapy. 88 are surviving on therapy with a mean survival time of 9 months. The anticipated survival time of this group, from available statistics would vary from 20% to 60% at 6 months. All of these patients received moderate doses of chemotherapy." The first 27 patients given PolyMVA were all considered terminal, and all refused to continue with chemotherapy. They were placed on a "health promotion program" as outlined in The Definitive Guide to Cancer, Chapter 23. The cancers involved brain, tongue, esophagus, lung, breast, stomach, colon, pancreas, prostate, lymph, blood, and marrow. All had metastasis. All were given 5 drops four times daily as a loading dose. 13 reported improvements in either appetite, weight gain, increased energy or reduction in pain within the first 7 days of starting PolyMVA. At the end of 14 days 6 additional patients reported improvement. None of the 27 patients reported adverse reactions. We learned from this small study (1) that the initiating dose was inadequate, (2) rapid improvements can be expected in over 60% of patients with a variety of malignant conditions, and (3) PolyMVA is non-toxic. With this low dose, some patients demonstrated clinical changes indicating early improvement. A few anecdotal reports follow: 75 year old female with glioblastoma presented with history of debulking surgeries and 2 rounds of radiation. As a last resort her cancer center neurologist placed her on massive, experimental doses of tomoxifen. She entered the hospital in Baja California requiring support on both arms to walk up the short ramp. Her memory was impaired, she had slurred speech. Convulsions were under control with dilantin. On the 3rd day after beginning PolyMVA her memory had improved as had her slurred speech. She walked out of the hospital unaided to continue therapy at home. She lived 6 months. Her immediate death is attributable to the side effects of the tamoxifen which she continued to take before and after the PolyMVA. Glioblastoma patients usually have a dramatic, early response similar to Mr. D. age 66. His tumor inactivated his right leg and foot and caused generalized convulsions which were poorly controlled by tegretol, or dilantin. I received a phone call from Mr. D. four days after he began PolyMVA. He said his paralysis was gone and he could walk outside and water the lawn and ride his stationary bicycle. Eight days after beginning he called again to report that his convulsions were now localized and almost gone. Pain from metastatic breast cancer to the spine and right hip in CF age 56 required a right hip replacement which gave relief from hip pain, but did not effect the spine. She started PolyMVA and within 2 weeks her "back pain stopped" and she returned to her legal research employment. Most breast cancer patients report at least temporary improvement. Two cases of cancer of esophagus requiring MS for pain relief, cachectic and terminal when they started PolyMVA. Mr. G. age 62 was in a Mexican hospital when he was scheduled to began the PolyMVA. LS age 45 took the PolyMVA for home use. Mr. G died within 6 weeks, but an investigation uncovered the fact hat he was never given the PolyMVA. He was given Laetril alone. LS reported increased strength and weight gain and is still living (2 years from starting PolyMVA). Diagnosed in April 1995 a female multiple myeloma patient from Alaska with two degrees, a Ph.D. and J.D. sent us a letter dated March 1997 that after taking PolyMVA her blood tests and examinations showed " no measurable signs of multiple myeloma carcinoma" and her doctors said "She is in total remission." Colon cancer patients with obstruction reported improvement using the PolyMVA by enema. This is logical since PolyMVA is soluable in fat and liquid. Source: http://altmedangel.com/polymva.htm Jack_of_spades Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT John I found tons of good info at the blog Let's Talk Detox including an in vivo study with animals with cancer, and that clinical trial you mentioned but couldn't find.http://letstalkdetox.com/index.php?catid=6&blogid=1 is the link. I hope you find it helpful. I am a retired nurse and a cancer survivor always looking for natural wellness adjunctive therapy.S. Pratt KeepinItReal Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:00:00 GMT hi all....read a posting from rosilyn about poly mva   $180 for 8oz....where? wilwarwha Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:00:00 GMT