CancerCompass message board discussion started by Mom of 2 on 2/3/2006 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,4363,0.htm Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:00:00 GMT Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ My mom has been diagnosed oct 2004 with pancreatic cancer. We have some questions regarding supplements friends of theirs found, we wonder if she can take the following with morphine, chemo- she is taking gemzar/tarceva combo:glycolean,12 plus dietary endocrine,ambrotose,manacleanse,powder comlpexglyconutrial-- these are from a company called mannaheim? Any help would be great - i think good nutrition is wonderful, but they are very expensive and if they are working against her prescribed meds we need to know.. Any help woould be great.. Mom of 2 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT First let me say that I am not employed by Mannatech, the company which you are referring to, but I became a distributor for them to get a discount on products for myself. I was diagnosed with a large pancreatic tumor in 2002, which had spread to my liver. I've had several surgeries and procedures done, but am now cancer free. A friend of mine, who is a nutritionist gave me a container of Ambrotose when the doctors had run out of options and said there wasn't much else they could do. I studied up on the product and its claims and was very skeptical. I tried it, thinking I had nothing to lose, and I thank God everyday for the friend that gave it to me. I am cancer free and still take the Mannatech products and I have my mom, my kids and my husband on the vitamins as well. I did a lot of research on how to beat cancer and I decided it came down to nutrition. The ambrotose is made of things we don't get in our diets now such as vine-ripened fruit and vegetables, colostrum, and plant minerals. These are necessary for proper cell functioning. My story is a long one and I won't go into every detail, but my tumors in my liver became encased in a hard shell and were dying off, I beleive as a result of the Ambrotose. I was told that would happen, and it did. A lot of people, including doctors will tell you that the stuff has no scientific basis, it's a waste of money and that people are selling it to make money. Ask anyone who has actually taken it, and you'll get a different story. I can only speak from personal experience, but I think it works. I almost died and in June I could no longer walk as a result of complications from a surgery. Today, I run around with my kids like nothing ever happened. Don't believe the skeptics. Take it from the people who have tried it. However, it must be taken daily, on a regular basis and your mom will need to take the right amount for her condition. If it's not taken daily, the cell regeneration process has to start over again. It must also be taken for a minimum of 3 months before you may see results. Some people see them sooner, some don't. If after 3-4 months, she doesn't see any result, you can stop taking them. They are expensive, but to me they were worth it. I'm only familiar with the Ambrotose Complex powder, the Glycolean and the AO vitamin. All of these are safe to take with the drugs you mentioned. Of the products I think the Ambrotose is the most important one if you just want to try one product. (That's the one I started with.) I mix my Ambrotose with cranberry juice, orange juice or flavored black tea. I take the recommended dose, which is 1/4 tsp. 2x a day. When I was sick, I took 1/2 tsp. 3x a day. I've been told that if you are dealing with serious illness, you should take 1 tbsp. up to 3x a day. I didn't have any type of chemo, but I was told by my friend that it will help lessen the side effects of treatments in some people. Initially, the products can cause minor headaches, due to the cleansing effect, but they usually reside in a week or so. I personally did not experience any of that. I noticed after 6 weeks increased energy and strength. I've been on them for 1 1/2 years now and will continue them until I see something negative happen. I hope this info helps. I'm not making any money off of giving you this info. Do your own research and make the decision on your own, but remember, the skeptics are usally people that have not tried alternative treatments. Your doctor will probably tell you it's not a good idea to take them because they are not familiar with them and how they interact with the meds, but the friends who have given you the info should be able to assure you that it's ok. The products are made from food and plants. They're not herbs. If you look at the labels they are mainly comprised of broccoli, kale, tomato, garlic, brussel sprouts, etc. My doctors told me I probably shouldn't take them, but I decided to anyway. Doctors get very little medical training in nutrition. They prescribe what they are taught. Good luck to you and your mom. (I have several messages posted under liver cancer, pancreatic cancer, nutrition and alternative treatments on this subject.) I really believe it works. Kimgee Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT Thank you for all of your useful information. mom is on her last type of treatment she can have , unless they come up with something new-- she is taking gemzar again with tarceva daily.. She was just given 6 months -- she had been dx in oct 2004 it has spread to her liver.. She does feel well , little tired, still trying to stay active..we are just concerned because she needs to take her morphine for pain control 3 x daily and we don;t want anything to react to this - that would make things worse. Dad is really reluctant to tell the doctor about the supplements she takes because the doctor really doesn't know if they will help-- and quite frankly we are all looking for that "cure", anybody going through this horrible disease process knows. Thank you again. Mom of 2 Mon, 06 Feb 2006 00:00:00 GMT I just got my mom On Mannatech for her major stroke she had & just found out her twin sister has lung cancer ..returned from previous and is in bones, spine, etc. What did you take for your cancer and how much..I would like her to take whole regimen but know they prob won't so did you do ambrotose only???how much Cheryltx Tue, 14 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT I too would like the answer to "how much " ? Kbynot1 Wed, 15 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT My mom had a major stroke about a year ago with several smaller ones & seizures but she is paralyzed on the left side and has detererated alot. I just found out about the Mannatech products so I bought some and started her on them. Then I got a call just couple of weeks ago that her twin sister's lung cancer has returned and is in the bones, spine, etc and not much they can do so I sent her a tub of Ambrotose. How much do you think she should take and it sounded like you only took this product when fighting the cancer and then later added the other supplements. I just lost my job and know I cannot provide all these supplements to my mom and my aunt since they are expensive (not really when it comes to your health and getting well) but when you don't have imcome..yes. thanks for any help cheryl Cheryltx Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT They can be expensive. The most important product to take is the Ambrotose. It is recommended that if your health is seriously compromised that you take 3-4 TBSP. a day, which can be quite expensive. I also recently learned that the best plan is to take the Ambrotose, AO (which is an anti-oxidant), and Catalyst (a multivitamin). I also take something called Plus, which is for endocrine stabilization. It's been a difficult decision to spend the money on these products, but I feel better than I have in my life! The person that sold you the products should be able to guide you as to what and how much you need to take. Or you can call customer service at Mannatech and they can help you. Also, don't buy the products from anyone but Mannatech, especially the Ambrotose. Mannatech is the only company that has a patent on it and you may not get the real formula if you buy it from a discounter. Kimgee Thu, 16 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT I took ambrotose for Cancer and am doing fine Everyone who does this needs to be on 2tsp the rest of their life even when in remission or "cured" Gerin Fri, 24 Mar 2006 00:00:00 GMT just thought i would share this new study, came out last week: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.life-extension/browse_thread/thread/b47884b89b76e1a4/fdc530cb4c67ce05?hl=en#fdc530cb4c67ce05 Another cancer inhibited by chili pepper compound In addition to the recently reported inhibitory effect of the red chili pepper ingredient capsaicin on prostate cancer cell growth, the compound has now been found to reduce the growth of pancreatic cancer cells. Pancreatic cancer is the fifth leading cause of cancer death in the United States, and one of the most aggressive types of the disease. The findings were presented during the Late Breaking Session at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research, held April 1 to 5 at the Washington Convention Center in Washington, D.C. Sanjay K. Srivastava, PhD, who is an assistant professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine's department of pharmacology, and his colleagues grafted pancreatic tumors into mice and fed them varying concentrations of capsaicin three or five days per week. A control group of mice received normal saline minus the compound. The team found that animals who received capsaicin had higher levels of apoptosis-associated proteins, and tumors that were half the size of those in the control group. It was discovered that capsaicin disrupted the cancer cells' mitochondria--the energy producing organelle's of the cell--which caused the release of apoptotic proteins. "In our study, we discovered that capsaicin fed orally to mice with human pancreatic tumors was an extremely effective inhibitor of the cancer process, inducing apoptosis in cancer cells," Dr Srivastava summarized. "Capsaicin triggered the cancerous cells to die off and significantly reduced the size of the tumors." "Our results demonstrate that capsaicin is a potent anticancer agent, induces apoptosis in cancer cells and produces no significant damage to normal pancreatic cells, indicating its potential use as a novel agent for the prevention and treatment of pancreatic cancer," he concluded. London710 Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi just got your email I read the previous ones Yes use Ambrotose not matter what It will help the chemo and will protect the good cells The more you can take the better My menu( since this food) when I had cancer and for 24 months after was the following 6-12 tsp of Ambrotose 6-8 plus 4 catalyst vit 2 AO Extra Phyt-aloe for extra defense against infection 8 mannacleanse (through out the day away from food)colon I also used esstential oils, which have much science behind them- You have to get pure Also Protein Whey Lethican powder from Lewis Labs Pure water Fresh grounf Flax Seed 1/4 cup Check your acid levels Get some good Classical Music and she has to mediate on her body's good cells destroying the bad every day Body mind and spirit Put her on a prayer line at a local church Gerin Sat, 15 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT The best thing you can do here is ask your pharmacist about drug interactions. Take a list to show him, of everything she takes. He will tell you. Pharmacists know more about drugs than the doctors..That's what they do.. When I was diagnosed with a paralized stomach, I began to take Pancrease to help me digest my food. I also take a good b-complex and a multi vitamin. I am doing very well, without over-doing it on all this stuff...Like they say, good balanced diets make a lot more sense. You know you can overdose on vitamins too? Good luck! Bullecious Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT My husband has stage 4 lung cancer. He is 44, never smoked. We have tried 1st line chemo, and then on to a 2 line clinical trial, nothing has seemed to work to shrink the cancer. We are now going to start Tarceva, but waiting for insurance approval. A friend gave us some supplements from Mannatech, the advanced Ambrotose, AO, Manna Clense and Plus. I started my husband on the ambrotose last night, the dose you talked about. The 1/2 tsp, the bottle says 1/4. He woke up with a really bad headache during the night. Could you help me with the dosage, it sounds like you think he should be taking more than 1/2 tsp. Any help or direction would be appreciated. Could the ambrotose cause a bad headache? What are the side effects, if any? Mawill Wed, 17 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT Ambrotose can cause temporary (3-10 days) side effects such as headaches, hives, acne and indigestion. This is the correction and cleansing reponse in the cells. That means it's working. I experience acne for about a week, but some people don't experience any side effects. It's important to continue to take the products for at least 3 months before you may see or feel any benefits. I've known personally several people who have outlived their doctors predictions by years after staying on the Ambrotose. Your husband should probably be taking 3-4 Tablespoons a day. I took that in the beginning, and then backed the dosage down after my tumors were showing evidence of dying off. I now take 6 tsp. a day, Catalyst (multivitamin) AO and ImmunoStart. I think the Catalyst and AO are very important for anyone with cancer, but if you do nothing else, I would buy and take as much Ambrotose as your husband can stand. Also, the Advanced Ambrotose is fairly new, so ask your friend about taking the regular Ambrotose. It 's tried and true and in your husband's case, I'd try the original formula. I have 2 aunts with cancer, one with breast cancer and one with bone cancer who have been taking only the Ambrotose for about a month, and are feeling really good and have increased energy, even through their treatments. The 1/4 tsp that is suggested on the bottle is for people who are perfectly healthy. You can't take too much. It's only made out of food (brussel sprouts, broccole,kale, aloe, ect.) If your friend hasn't directed you to the website Glycoscience.org, you should check it out. Kimgee Wed, 17 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT Could you please send me information about the suplements you describe on the message board. Abrotose in particular is what I'm interested in. Victory Sun, 28 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi. I'm not exactly sure what type of information you want regarding the Ambrotose. Briefly, a friend of mine who is a nurse and a nutritionist gave me Ambrotose 2 years ago to try as I was fighting metastatic liver tumors from a pancreatic tumor. Ambrotose is comprised of 8 simple sugars (saccharides) that are no longer present in today's diet. The ingredients consist of all plant sugars from broccoli, kale, aloe, cauliflower, spinach, etc. These saccahrides enable cells to function properly and communicate with each other to prevent them from turning diseased. I've been on several Mannatech supplements for two years and right now I'm cancer free and feel better than I ever have, even when I was a teenager. Alot of people say they don't work and doctors really don't know much about them, but I know how I feel and I have my own family on them and we've all seen fantastic results. Most people that say they don't work, either haven't taken them or have not taken them correctly. They need to be taken regularly like food. It's just basic nutrition. I also take an antioxidant and a multi-vitamin from Mannatech. There is a lot of science to back up these supplments, but the biggest testimonial is the positive results I've seen in myself, my mom and my two aunts with cancer (one with breast and one with mulitple myeloma). You can go to the Mannatech website to get some info or go to glycoscience.org for more info on glyconutrients and how they work. Don't ask your doctor. They have very little training in nutition and won't know anything about them. If there is something else you want to know, please write. Kimgee Mon, 29 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT Dear Mrs.Kimgee, I have great interesting in the information you directed to Mom of 2. Since I have been diagnosed on July 2005, a large tumor on my Pancreas has been found.After learning, I classified that this tumor I think is Carsinoid Tumor, because, praise the Lord Jesus, it doesn't disturbe me, I have no carcinoid symptom or syndrome. The doctor said it has to be operated to take out the tumor, but I didn't take this action soon because I think if there is still other way to use to kill the tumor and to bring it to be died. Since it has been found, until now, I have been taking some kind of Herbals that normally used against the tumor. When I read your usefull information on this website, I think it is very accurate if I take the Ambrotose as you have taken before. Which kind of Ambrotose that usefull for me, Ambrotose AO or Advanced Ambrotose...?. Mrs.Kimgee, I live in Indonesia. Do you know an agent in Indonesia that sell this Ambrotose...?. Thank you very much for the information and help. Regards, S.M. Saladin Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:00:00 GMT Hi, Good to hear you're not having any symptoms! Carcinoid tumors are somewhat rare and many doctors are unsure how best to treat them. Most feel surgically removing them is the safest and best thing to do. I think the Ambrotose is something everyone should be taking, especially if they are facing disease. If you can get it, take the Advanced Ambrotose powder (bulk). The AO is an anti-oxidant, which is important, but I think the Ambrotose is crucial. It gives our bodies all of the nutrients it needs to help our cells work properly. They have the "Optimal Health System" which are several products that work together for good health, but if you can only take one product, take the Ambrotose powder. I'm not very familiar with Indonesia, but I think the countries closest to you that sell Mannatech products are Austrailia and Taiwan. Go to --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, url removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---- and click on the country that is closest to you and it should be able to direct you to a distributor in one of those countries. I'm not sure what the international shipping policies are. I hope you're able to find a distributor. I think it's a wonderful product. I have 2 relatives with cancer (bone cancer and breast cancer) that take the Ambrotose and are doing and feeling great! Kim Kimgee Sun, 25 Jun 2006 00:00:00 GMT You can find the information you are searching for at this address or google Mannatech. Most of those providing feedback here are like myself distributors of the products and have real life accounts of how the product has helped us or close friends and family. It is important to read the disclaimer that was provided in this thread, as there is no 100% miracle cure or treatment and we are not employees of the Mannatech Company but independent business owners. For all I recommend that you do some background research on of Glyconutrients and Glycoscience you will find that the technology that this company is using is cutting edge and very new to the medical realm. Knowledge is not something to be taken lightly please take the time to research this technology and the benefits it may be able to provide you, if you have any questions please contact any local distributor or the Mannatech Company directly. Again I have provided a link to a home page you can use to do research and find out more. http://www.mannapages.com/jacobsladder God Bless, Randy Randall j Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:00:00 GMT