CancerCompass message board discussion started by JOAQUIN M. on 10/28/2003 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,786,0.htm Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:00:00 GMT Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ I am 69 years old, recent blood test indicated a PSA of 17.5. I assume that indicates a strong probability of cancer. Since this reading about 3 weeks ago, I started an intense program of juice fasting, hydrotherapy, herbal therapy, exercise, hot and cold fomentation and partial vegetarian diet. Just yesterday I did another test to see if I was making headway, my PSA reading was 16.5. I am determined to follow a naturopathic approach to this cancer rather than the traditional invasive treatments that have all these bizarre side effects. Is there anyone out there who has tried this approach and had success? I would appreciate ant news or advice. Jay JOAQUIN M. Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:00:00 GMT No, I have not. I am 67 and in my 30 of 40 IMRT radiation treatments. The Oncologist, at my request, will look into Zyclamend herbal which is being tested by out east. Baltimore? This would be in addition to the treatments. John John E. Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:00 GMT Try Prostasol. Works for me. Ed Charles C. Tue, 01 Jun 2004 00:00:00 GMT I would suggest, for a total natural approach, to try the protocol as suggested by Larry Pope at Nutrition2000 (www.nutrition2000.com)and you can also talk with a consultant at 877-393-4468. I have had some success with this, along with dietary changes, although not finished with it. You will find this a good source of info. Although I have not tried it, there is also another treatment called Ukrain (named after the former Soviet republic, without the 'e'). I understand this has to be administered interveineously. A naturopathic physician in your area may know about this, one who is willing to treat cancer. Good Luck. Ed F. Wed, 30 Jun 2004 00:00:00 GMT I have been taking prostasol for the last two/three months, my psa did come down significantly, but I developed tenderness in breasts as well as little swelling. please advise if anybody has that experience. my oncoplgist from major US research clinic speciiasing in prostate research made this statement "prostosol has estrogen component which causes you the breast tenderness" Raj S. Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:00:00 GMT How are you doing to date with your diet and PSA reading? Have you thought of trying Cessium? Or Dr. Gerson or Dr. Budwig diets? Bytesniffer Mon, 22 Nov 2004 00:00:00 GMT I am 70 years old, and this is my sixth year since being diagnosed. My psa was 2.1 in august down from 17. I use only herbal products. Hope you will keep in touch. Gooberds Tue, 30 Nov 2004 00:00:00 GMT Sept 1998 I had prostate cancer that went into my lower spine,left 5-6-7th ribs,and my left lumbar and my doctors told me with radiation they could give me at least one year, but I turn down the radiation and the drugs that would go with the radiation and I went to the Bahamas for alternative treatment where they use my own immune system. My last Bone Scan & MRI I only have a little bit of cancer left in the upper right hand side of my prostate and it has been six yeras and I feel great no more pain that I had back in Sept 1998. You can check out my treatment by going to their web site as follows: www.immunemedicine.com I do take my vitamins and supplements and I also take chelation for my heart which also takes out the heavy metals in my body. Canceriat Tue, 04 Jan 2005 00:00:00 GMT As I mentioned my PSA came down significantly as low as .4, after taking Prostasol for the last seven month from a average of 15/16 PSA. for the last two years when a had biopsy GS 3+3 or 3+4. Does it also means my cancer size is also reduced. Please advise as I am confused as the PSA numbers relation to cancer size. Thanks. Raj S. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:00:00 GMT Would you kindly advise what kind and name of product do you use? Thank you. Raj S. Thu, 27 Jan 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi Joaquin, Suggest you take a more agressive approach and trust to the medical establishment after doing some quick research. YOU DO NOT WANT THIS STUFF TO GET INTO YOUR BONES!! I'd suggest a combination of temporary lupron therapy and radiation or surgery. You're too young to take a chance. Has anyone even done a biopsy to be sure you HAVE cancer? Don't play games with this. Try diet and exercise along with medical treatment. Tea may have a positive effect. Good luck but don't screw around. Mitch Mon, 18 Apr 2005 00:00:00 GMT Goobeard posted a message saying he had great success with herbal treatments and Raj S. asked what they were. I would also like to know the details of the herbal treatments that worked for him. In addition I would like to know if anyone else on this message board using Prostasol has seen the write-up on Kurt Donsbach's background and history which appears on the write-up by Steven Barrett, M.D on his website Quackwatch.org and if anyone knows how much credibility to give Dr. Barrett. His "Notes on Kurt Donsbach" is detailed and quite worrisome to anyone who is considering using the Prostasol product which I gather is produced only by Donsbach. Seerwise Wed, 04 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi There, I read your message. My father is 59 and has had PC for 5 years. His PSA is currently 44 and he has stage 4 cancer. He recently started hormones and it appears to be working. What herbal remedies do you use? Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Peter Peternj Wed, 18 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi there, My father has stage 4 prostate cancer. I am looking into Herbal alternatives. He used prostasol for awhile and it worked very well. What treatments have you used? Any help you could give would be great! Thank you, Peter Peternj Wed, 18 May 2005 00:00:00 GMT I read your messege and I like it. Could you please give me more specific advice about using natural remedies for treatment prostate cancer? Thank you in advance, Mikhail Mikhail Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:00:00 GMT Thank you Mr. skreen name Lall S for your information. Could you please send me more detailed information about your treatment. Thank you in advance, Mikhail Mikhail Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hi people i've been using prostasol for 12 mnths, psa down from 14 to as low as 0.5, reduced doseage to maintain psa at a low level; last batch of prostasol has not worked for me, trying HP8 and PC Hope. Pyrmont Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:00:00 GMT What Lot # did not work for you? Lot 3046 worked very well. With that lot, using 4 capsules twice a day my PSA went down from 28.96 to 10.46 in 30 days and then down to 0.73 in the next 30 days. But I did not have any more than 4 bottles of Lot#3046 so now I started using bottles from Lot # 3307. I am told by other people that this lot is good and that it is working well. I sent an enquiry to MedPro a Netherlands producer of the European version of Prostasol asking them about the difference between their formulation and the one produced in California by Dr. Kurt Donsbach. They forwarded my enquiry to Dr. Ben Pfeiffer, the M.D., Ph.D phytotherapy specialist in Switzerland who is now a co-developer of Prostasol with Dr. Donsbach. He sent back the following response to me which I also posted on the Yahoo Natural Prostate Treatments listserve --the URL is : http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/natural_prostate_treatments/ My alias there is also seerwise. Here is the extract: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:10:20 +0200 From: "Prof.Dr.Dr.med. Ben L. Pfeifer" Reply-to: ... To: ..... CC: information@m..., information@m... Subject: AW: Internet Anfrage All headers Dear Sir Your question regarding composition of the US- and European version of Prostasol was forwarded to me for answering. As far as I know, there was some problem with the last batch of Dr. Donsbach's prostasol. I have talked to Dr. Donsbach about this, since quite a few men from the USA have contacted medpro Holland B.V. with the same question. Dr. Donsbach has acknowledged the problem with the last batch of Prostasol and offered a refund to any patient who has not seen effect. As to the difference in composition, this is actually a minor one. The European version has the same basic mix as the US version, only certain amounts of resveratrol, maitake D-Fraction and wormwood is added. I hope this information is helpful to you. With kind regards, Ben L. Pfeifer, M.D.,Ph.D. Professor & Director of Clinical Research Aeskulap Hospital and Cancer Center Seerwise Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:00:00 GMT in your message you said you're using herbal products and your pSA is down to 2 form 17. Could I possibly ask you to email me your protocol to --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html --- . My husband was diagnosed with prostate cancer a year ago. His PSA is stable at 5, but we were not able to bring it down. natal Wed, 28 Sep 2005 00:00:00 GMT Could you please send me your source for purchasing Prostosol. It has been recommended that my husband take this for his prostate cancer. Thank you Joejane Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:00:00 GMT At age 68 in 2001, my PSA was 12.7 and my doctor at the VA insisted that I see a Urologist right away. Since I had a prior history of prostate infections, (prostatitis) I immediately went on Bactrim for two weeks and my PSA went down to 9.3. I knew this was entirely too high and obviously it wasn't an infection like before so I went to a Urologist in Baltimore. He did a biopsy and it came back positive for cancer. After doing tons of research and consulting with several Urologists, I decided to get my treatment at RCOG in Atlanta, GA. At RCOG, "Radiotherpy Clinics of Georgia", they first give you the radioactive seed implants followed by 6-7 weeks of external radiation (IMRT). My advice to you Jay would be to see a Urologist right away and if you do have PC, don't take the advice of just any one person/doctor, etc. Do your own research and make your own decision about which treament you want because you will have to live with that decision and it might be the only one you get to make. But don't put it off! You can get pleny of information from RCOG at: www.rcog.com They'll send you "free" all the information on the various treatments available, including theirs and others. Bob W. Fototag Fri, 04 Nov 2005 00:00:00 GMT Great to hear that IAT had helped you. I took my uncle to the IAT clinic a number of yeasrs ago and we sure were happy we went. I actually wrote a book called A Last Stand, An American Tragedy, about the experience. Hope the treatment will get a closer look by the scientific community in this counrt. David J. Dmp7296 Fri, 30 Dec 2005 00:00:00 GMT Hello Canceriat, My name is Ed and my condition is very simalar to yours. I tried to log on the the website you refered to regarding your tretatment plan but was not succesful in finding it. Could you possibly email me directly with the website at --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---- Thank you Ed Edwsef Thu, 04 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT I had terminal prostate cancer that was 7 1/2 years ago and then they only gave me 6 months to live with radiation because it spread to my bones and spine and left lumbar. Now I only have a little left in the upper right hand side of my prostate, you can send me a e-mail and I will tell you just what I am doing I turn down the radiation and all the drugs. John from Pa. Canceriat Thu, 04 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT I was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer, PSA 11.4 and a gleason of 4+5=9. A bone scan and MRI came back negative. After my second consultation with my physician I can not agree with the treatment options being offered, radiation, hormone treatment and removal of my prostate. At 45 this is a very difficult decision. Having never been one to firmly believe everything my physician tells me, they used to bleed people,physicians are in the 'business' of treating not curing disease, what would they do? I believe there are alternative treatments. A friend of mine was diaagnosed nearly ten years ago with prostate cancer and has successfully treated his disease with prostasol keeping his PSA down. This has not been an easy three weeks but I am positive and have began taking prostasol along with diet and lifestyle changes. I am curious to others experiences pro and con to alternative treatements and look forward to them with much anticipation and appreciation. Cactus45 Thu, 04 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT You write that you would be willing to give details by e-mail. How do I contact you? We are deciding now to go homeopathic and all options and information would be appreciated. Please let me know how to reach you. Thanks Johnybaja Wed, 10 May 2006 00:00:00 GMT Jay: I have stabilized my elevated PSA scores for 7.5 years with similar regmines. Recently I read a new book which was a lot of help. It is "Surviving Prostate Cancer Without Surgery". Also, I have an appointment soon with Dr. Ronald Wheeler at The Prostatitis and Prostate Cancer Center in Sarasota, Florida. Dr. Wheeler's approach to our problem appears to be quite different than that of the Urology mills. A Google search will find several web sites regarding Dr. Wheeler and his ideas. It might be worth looking into by any prostate cancer patient PRIOR to suffering the usual radical treatments. Wishing us both well, Jim R., Brownwood, Texas James R. Fri, 04 Aug 2006 00:00:00 GMT HI John I wish if you could share your experiences and experiments with me. I am encouraged to read your brief message. --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---- then I will establish contact with you. thx. Raj S. Mon, 04 Sep 2006 00:00:00 GMT Depending on the size of your prostate, your PSA can change. You should add Percent Free PSA as well to help you whether this elevated PSA is due to BPH or possibly prostate cancer If in fact it is a low number, you need to have a prostate biopsy. Robodoc Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:00:00 GMT Even though enlarged prostate could do this, you are obligated to schedule yourself for Transrectal ultrasound of prostate biopsy.Also check to see what you %free PSA is, that could help as well.good luck. Robodoc Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:00:00 GMT  On 11/30/2004 Gooberds wrote:I am 70 years old, and this is my sixth year since being diagnosed. My psa was 2.1 in august down from 17. I use only herbal products. Hope you will keep in touch.  Healthnut Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT I too have prostate cancer, PSA increased from 5.3 to 6.8, what type of herbs and supplements are you using?  I would appreciate any information you can provide. Thanks Dave Healthnut Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Source for Prostosol is 1-877-575-0141. Brianr Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT Hi, I read your post. replying off-list. While your immediate action and proposed treatment may be commendable, don't put any faith in your current PSA readings. If you go to terry herbert's site www.yananow.net you will see the results of daily tests over a month with considerable PSA fluctuations. PSA variations can also be caused by sex, vigorous exercise, bicycle riding, coffee, alcohol, spicy foods and dozens of other factors. You may need to do a lot more research on PSA testing, but at the least you need to obtained freePSA and calculate %freePSA as well as complexed PSA every time you are having a PSA test. You also need to ensure you avoided all the above, fasted for 10 hours prior, had the tests at exactly the same time and used exactly the same lab.That's just the PSA. Then there are a lot of other factors to consider. If you are attacking this from a natural viewpoint you will need to add LIngZhi/Reichi/Ganoderma Lucidum and  high quality fishoil capsules to your diet as well as incorporating the known foods/drinks that help and avoiding the others. Especially take broccoli, tomatoes cooked preferably daily and green tea. There is so much more to cover, but this is a start. You need to start doing serious research. It will probably take you 6-12 months to get a handle on this. Fortunately you appear to have time on your side. best wishes, feel free to contact me direct. Rob at --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed.  Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---- Rob007 Thu, 15 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 10/28/2003 JOAQUIN M. wrote:I am 69 years old, recent blood test indicated a PSA of 17.5. I assume that indicates a strong probability of cancer. Since this reading about 3 weeks ago, I started an intense program of juice fasting, hydrotherapy, herbal therapy, exercise, hot and cold fomentation and partial vegetarian diet. Just yesterday I did another test to see if I was making headway, my PSA reading was 16.5. I am determined to follow a naturopathic approach to this cancer rather than the traditional invasive treatments that have all these bizarre side effects. Is there anyone out there who has tried this approach and had success? I would appreciate ant news or advice. Jay Jay,Consider your PSA a blessing. Some of us have extremely aggressive cells that don't leak PSA, and so our cancers were not detected until the total situation was far beyond the optimal intercession point. You have the advantage of catching your problem at a stage that possibly permits a total cure. (My own PSA was 1.5 at the point where I was diagnosed with Gleason score 9 aggressive cancer which had already metastasized to the bone.)I wouldn't recommend that you use nutrition as your sole approach to curing the disease. My wife is a urological nurse, and has seen a number of patients who tried that, coming in for conventional treatment only when the disease had progressed beyond the point where they could be helped. Use nutrition as an adjunct treatment, and you'll appreciably increase your chances of a successful outcome, but the time when nutrition alone would have warded off your cancer was about twenty years ago, before it got the present foothold.First, find the practitioner in your area who has the greatest experience with prostate cancer. Someone in a university setting would probably be your best choice if you have that available. You need a biopsy to determine absolutely what's happening inside your prostate.Next, evaluate the results of your tests carefully and objectively. If the cancer is still contained within the prostate, your chances of a complete cure are very good. If not, you still have the option of refusing further treatment, should that seem the sensible choice.That evaluation stage should include second and third opinions by a reputable urologist, urological surgeon, and medical oncologist. Understand that they will each feel most favorably about what they do themselves, and that's not an indictment of their motivations but rather something you should expect. They each have knowledge limited to their own specialty.My own nutritionist can be accessed at marcjosephnutrition.com. I've used him ever since diagnosis, and am completely satisfied with the advice I've received. As convinced as he is of the value of nutrition in this situation, he'd be the last to suggest that you proceed using nurtition alone.  It's far too late for that.Good luck! I hope this has been helpful to you.Lee CrawfordSan Diego    Prostate Pete Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 10/28/2003 JOAQUIN M. wrote:I am 69 years old, recent blood test indicated a PSA of 17.5. I assume that indicates a strong probability of cancer. Since this reading about 3 weeks ago, I started an intense program of juice fasting, hydrotherapy, herbal therapy, exercise, hot and cold fomentation and partial vegetarian diet. Just yesterday I did another test to see if I was making headway, my PSA reading was 16.5. I am determined to follow a naturopathic approach to this cancer rather than the traditional invasive treatments that have all these bizarre side effects. Is there anyone out there who has tried this approach and had success? I would appreciate ant news or advice. Jay Hello Jay,So very pleased to see that you are taking charge of your own health and taking the holistic therapy approach to handling your prostate problem. Statistically speaking, conventional medicine therapy would keep you alive for a few extra months but at what cost. You'd be full of chemo, rads, hormones and poisonous drugs and with your immune system shot to pieces. And even those statistics are questionable because of the way the hospitals and the medical profession report cancer deaths. For instance, because conventional treatments destroy your body's ability to combat major illnesses it is more likely that you'd die from one such illness, rather than the cancer itself. But the death is nevertheless reported as a cancer treatment success, thereby skewing the facts.Jay, I will be 69 next month, have a grade 9 very aggressive pc, with a PSA of 13. I have had frank haematuria for three years, a cancerous kidney removed, my gall bladder removed, most of my thyroid removed and just recently, I've been diagnosed with heart issues. And in spite of all that nonsense, I am feeling on top of the world. Truly I am.I put that essentially down to the fantastic, totally committed, support from my darling wife of 48 years and that together, it is we who are making all the decisions regarding my diet and alternative therapies - not some specialist who sees me with dollar signs in his eyes. I still keep in touch with my doctor and 6 monthly, with my urologist , but will not subject myself to any more exploratory procedures and such. Mind you, I also have a very good naturopath/homepath who keeps a close eye on me and from whom I get sound advice. The main factor here is that I am not on the  expensive and fruitless,  medical conveyor belt so cleverly engineered by the cancer industry. I am doing things my way and 14 months down the track I don't have one regret. What is more I have no fears for the future. I am confident in my own success.Sorry if I'm waffling on a bit here Jay. Perhaps it would be better for you to take a browse through my web blog where I highlight not only my own health issues but I also try to present useful information and reference material.I wish you well with your future health http://www.prostateruminate.com    Oysterman Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT I was just diagnosed with prostate cancer. I am 71. I have had a PSA reading from 5.5 to over 13 for the past 7 1/2 years. I have been taking all the pills that are supposed to help prevent prostate cancer, they didn't work.None of the digital exams including the one just before the latest biopsy indicated a tumor.I had a biopsy a couple months ago and cancer was found in 5 out of 12 samples. If it was me, I would immediately ask my doctor to do a biopsy. Your PSA is really high. I would have little faith in a nutritional cure for cancer. There is a new method called HIFU that has been used in Europe for 10 years for prostate cancer. It was approved in Canada about a year ago. It is being and has been tested in the US but is not approved at this time. I am considering this method of treatment.Prostate cancer is the 2nd biggest killer of men. It isn't the prostate cancer, it's if it gets past the prostate into the bone (quite often happens), into the bladder or the bowel. That's when you really have problems.I'm surprised your doctor didn't suggest a biopsy and frankly, I think you are foolish not to demand a biopsy. The fact that your PSA was down a point means nothing. I was able to manipulate my PSA reading a couple of points by quiting alcohol, caffeine, spicy food, and chocolate for a day or so before the blood test. If you have ejaculated within 48 hours of the PSA, that will drive your PSA up some as well.Good luck! Oldphox Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 5/4/2006 Cactus45 wrote:I was recently diagnosed with prostate cancer, PSA 11.4 and a gleason of 4+5=9. A bone scan and MRI came back negative. After my second consultation with my physician I can not agree with the treatment options being offered, radiation, hormone treatment and removal of my prostate. At 45 this is a very difficult decision. Having never been one to firmly believe everything my physician tells me, they used to bleed people,physicians are in the 'business' of treating not curing disease, what would they do? I believe there are alternative treatments. A friend of mine was diaagnosed nearly ten years ago with prostate cancer and has successfully treated his disease with prostasol keeping his PSA down. This has not been an easy three weeks but I am positive and have began taking prostasol along with diet and lifestyle changes. I am curious to others experiences pro and con to alternative treatements and look forward to them with much anticipation and appreciation.At 45 you are really risking your life by not having it treated. Especially at age 45. It grows fast in a younger man. Prostasol has esrogen it it, a female hormone. It will bring your PSA down and possibly slow the cancer but will NOT cure it. Your breasts will get a little bigger and will probably be alittle irritated. Go to Google and check "HIFU" on the internet. Your sex life should not be affected, risk of incontinance near 0 and it's an outpatient proceedure. That's what I'm going to do, I'm 71.Just a suggestion. Oldphox Tue, 26 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT I do not want to discourage you but I have not heard of nuitrition alone stopping Prostate Cancer.  I opted 8 years ago for surgery.  I am grateful I did.  Recently I opted for salvage radiation as my PSA rose to 0.7.  I wish you the best - personally I would opt for radical procedures if your health in all other areas is good.  Patricio Thu, 12 Jul 2007 00:00:00 GMT In response to Jay's question, let me share that I am age 50, RP in April, 2007, positive surgical margins, and Post-surgery PSA's of 10,9,10 & 9.  For the past 2-3 months, I have eaten a vegan diet plus fish, emphasizing whole grains and fruit and green supplements.  I feel great and the cancer seems to be stalled.  I realize that not much time has gone by, but I am finding much anecdotal evidence that diet can increase health and longevity.  Anyone else out there with similar experiences?  Carl BoomerSooner Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 10/28/2003 JOAQUIN M. wrote:I am 69 years old, recent blood test indicated a PSA of 17.5. I assume that indicates a strong probability of cancer. Since this reading about 3 weeks ago, I started an intense program of juice fasting, hydrotherapy, herbal therapy, exercise, hot and cold fomentation and partial vegetarian diet. Just yesterday I did another test to see if I was making headway, my PSA reading was 16.5. I am determined to follow a naturopathic approach to this cancer rather than the traditional invasive treatments that have all these bizarre side effects. Is there anyone out there who has tried this approach and had success? I would appreciate ant news or advice. Jay I have tried somewhat the same diet.  It seems to be working in ways I was not expecting.  By watching my oils (unrefined) and eating no sugar, I have lost 68 pounds.  That helps a lot.I was diagnosed a psa of 4.6 two years ago. My psa in now 4.8.  PSA does go up and down so I would not put too much faith in a one point drop.  It is the long term trends or doubling time that is important. I am using alternate methods to fight the cancer.  One is taking Paw Paw Cell Reg.  This method lowers ADP levels in the cell.  Another way I am fighting the cancer is to take Noscapine.  Noscapine works like taxol in that in interfers with cell division causing apoptosis of cancer cells.  These seem to be working. Hope that helps.   kent1947 Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 10/28/2003 JOAQUIN M. wrote:I am 69 years old, recent blood test indicated a PSA of 17.5. I assume that indicates a strong probability of cancer. Since this reading about 3 weeks ago, I started an intense program of juice fasting, hydrotherapy, herbal therapy, exercise, hot and cold fomentation and partial vegetarian diet. Just yesterday I did another test to see if I was making headway, my PSA reading was 16.5. I am determined to follow a naturopathic approach to this cancer rather than the traditional invasive treatments that have all these bizarre side effects. Is there anyone out there who has tried this approach and had success? I would appreciate ant news or advice. Jay I tried it all.  Even the Essaic Tea.  All the herbs I could get my hands on. I have the Hot House, Chi Machine and Electro-Reflec Machine.  I could not get my totally under control.   2 yrs. ago my PSA was 3.5, this las January it was 39.6, then I did all the above things and it came down to 27.4, but from there it climbed back up to 46.8.  Ended up with radical prostectomy, robotic surgery.   Lost the prostrate, vesicles, nerves and lymphs.  All but the lymphs were cancerous.  Doing pretty good now, but still have some incontinence.   I am 58 yrs..  Richard Thompson Blackie1213 Thu, 06 Sep 2007 00:00:00 GMT Can you advise what products you use and any other complementary activities such as diet, exercise. RobOn 11/30/2004 Gooberds wrote:I am 70 years old, and this is my sixth year since being diagnosed. My psa was 2.1 in august down from 17. I use only herbal products. Hope you will keep in touch.  Rob007 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:00:00 GMT   Your change in PSA score is most certainly just a variation from your lab reader. With your numbers you likely need both a digital exam and a biopsy. Your numbers are real, even if plus or minus 5 you still may have an aggressive condition.  Get to a urologist, stop dreaming, if you have cancer alternative mumbo-jumbo isn't going to rid you of it.  You are already too late for preventative measures. Get to a urologist. Stop fooling around with wishful thinking. Get to a urologist.   I would suggest you contact a local prostate cancer survivors group and ask their leader to recommend a urologist, he will know the incompetents in your area.  Patrick1935 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:00:00 GMT  On 1/27/2005 Raj S. wrote:As I mentioned my PSA came down significantly as low as .4, after taking Prostasol for the last seven month from a average of 15/16 PSA. for the last two years when a had biopsy GS 3+3 or 3+4.Does it also means my cancer size is also reduced. Please advise as I am confused as the PSA numbers relation to cancer size.Thanks.PSA has nothing to do with prostate capsule volume.  Patrick1935 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:00:00 GMT  On 9/13/2005 Pyrmont wrote:Hi peoplei've been using prostasol for 12 mnths, psa down from 14 to as low as 0.5, reduced doseage to maintain psa at a low level; last batch of prostasol has not worked for me, trying HP8 and PC Hope. What did you mean 'has not worked' is your psa going up ?  Patrick1935 Mon, 07 Jan 2008 00:00:00 GMT Here is a link to a article I read about muscadine grape extract slowing the growth of PCa.  Our local CVS pharmacy was able to order them for us, but we decided on surgery.  I hope your PSA continues to drop.  http://www.fightprostatecancer.org/site/News2?page=NewsArtic Censusgirl65 Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:00:00 GMT please go to google and type johanna budwig Mrs. Chaco  Island Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:00 GMT on your age and those you were doing please read johanna budwig and also if you are doing herbal and you are still eating red meat and not lowering your sugar intkaes it is useless..e-mail me at --Message edited by CancerCompass staff. For personal protection, email address removed. Consider private reply. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html-- Island Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:00 GMT e-mail me at --Message edited by CancerCompass staff. For personal protection, email address removed. Consider private reply. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html-- Island Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:00 GMT good for you Island Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:00:00 GMT My advice would be to use both.  My husband is and results have been very positive. WifeofGary Thu, 08 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT Hi,I had RP in 2003 and about mid 2007 my PSA started to rise gradually.I would like to know about your experience if you can spare the time. Thanks a lot n advanceBENSONOn 5/4/2006 Canceriat wrote:I had terminal prostate cancer that was 7 1/2 years ago and then they only gave me 6 months to live with radiation because it spread to my bones and spine and left lumbar. Now I only have a little left in the upper right hand side of my prostate, you can send me a e-mail and I will tell you just what I am doing I turn down the radiation and all the drugs. John from Pa.  Benson Fri, 30 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT Hi,Can you please tell me where to obtain the Prostasol and whether you have been satisfied with the results?ThanksBenson Benson Fri, 30 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT Hi,Can you please inform me of the herbal products you have been using especially if you are using Prostasol?Thanks in advanceBenson Benson Fri, 30 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT I am now 74. Still using Postasol. Gooberds Fri, 30 May 2008 00:00:00 GMT