CancerCompass message board discussion started by Shemay on 1/15/2007 http://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,8857,0.htm Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT Fri, 05 Sep 2008 00:00:00 GMT http://backend.userland.com/rss RSS.NET: http://www.rssdotnet.com/ Very encouraging news here for alternative cancer treatment. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=30584 Shemay Mon, 15 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Have you used intravenous vitamin c therapy?  If so, please let me know if you had any side effects and your resuts.  Thanks so much. Irena Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT On 1/23/2007 Irena wrote:Have you used intravenous vitamin c therapy?  If so, please let me know if you had any side effects and your resuts.  Thanks so much. Hello Irena At this time I have not used the intravenous vitamin c therapy because I have been so strong and healthy using the alternative methods recommended to me by my Naturopath when I was diagnosed with non Hodgkin's lymphoma in May 2004. I was told at that time that I had a 10cm x 10cm tumour in my chest and an enlarged lymph node on my heart that tested positive for cancer and would need the strongest chemo available in order to "perhaps" save myself. I declined that treatment and instead chose this alternative path. I have no symptoms at this time but out of curiosity as to what may be happening inside I am going to request a CT scan within the next month or so and if there is any cause for concern I definitely will take the intravenous vitamin C. There is a medical doctor/alternative practitioner who has a wellness clinic in a city close by who has had marvelous results using this treatment. I personally know of a number of people with different cancers who have been completely cured through this treatment. I understand that side effects are almost non existant. A very small percentage (less than 1%) of patients who have a pre existing kidney problem may experience stones. I hope this is helpful Shemay Shemay Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 1/23/2007 Shemay wrote: On 1/23/2007 Irena wrote:Have you used intravenous vitamin c therapy?  If so, please let me know if you had any side effects and your resuts.  Thanks so much. Hello Irena At this time I have not used the intravenous vitamin c therapy because I have been so strong and healthy using the alternative methods recommended to me by my Naturopath when I was diagnosed with non Hodgkin's lymphoma in May 2004. I was told at that time that I had a 10cm x 10cm tumour in my chest and an enlarged lymph node on my heart that tested positive for cancer and would need the strongest chemo available in order to "perhaps" save myself. I declined that treatment and instead chose this alternative path. I have no symptoms at this time but out of curiosity as to what may be happening inside I am going to request a CT scan within the next month or so and if there is any cause for concern I definitely will take the intravenous vitamin C. There is a medical doctor/alternative practitioner who has a wellness clinic in a city close by who has had marvelous results using this treatment. I personally know of a number of people with different cancers who have been completely cured through this treatment. I understand that side effects are almost non existant. A very small percentage (less than 1%) of patients who have a pre existing kidney problem may experience stones. I hope this is helpful ShemayHi, Shemay.  Thanks for your reply.  I have read that IV vitamin C may interefere with conventional treatment; what are your thoughts?  Would you please give me some insight as to how you went about choosing an alternative medicine doctor?  The ones in our area are all very expensive and I don't know how to know whom to trust as I don't know anyone who has used them for cancer treatment.  Also, what types of alternative treatments have you used since your diagnosis?  Thanks for your insight.Irena  Irena Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Fortunately when I was first diagnosed in May 2004, a good friend of my son's who had survived cancer twice...once a brain tumour when he was thirteen and then stomach cancer 25 years later using alternative therapies only, referred me to a nearby clinic where they did BTA testing and dark field microscopy. Through these tests it was ascertained where my body was out of balance and what was needed to bring it back in order for my immune system to be at an optimum level for fighting disease. I was given a regimen for detoxification and regeneration along with the supplements I needed. As to cost.......the first visit is approximately three hours long and the cost at the clinic I attend is $150.00. This includes the BTA testing and blood work, the assessment and recommendations. Of course the supplements are extra. They can be purchased there or at a source of your choosing. Follow up appointments, an hour in duration are $50.00. I have no personal knowledge of the interactions of chemo and Intravenous Vitamin C but this website is informative on the subject. http://ict.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/5/1/63 " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ict.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/5/1/63 Hope this is of help Shemay http://ict.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/5/1/63 " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ict.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/5/1/63 Shemay Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT I'm not sure what happened with the web address above...but in case it doesn't open............. Integrative Cancer Therapies, Vol. 5, No. 1, 63-82 (2006) DOI: 10.1177/1534735405285882 © 2006 SAGE Publications Should Patients Undergoing Chemotherapy and Radiotherapy Be Prescribed Antioxidants? Ralph W. Moss, PhD Cancer Communications, Lemont, Pennsylvania, In September 2005, CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians published a warning by Gabriella D’Andrea, MD, against the concurrent use of antioxidants with radiotherapy and chemotherapy. However, several deficiencies of the CA article soon became apparent, not least the selective omission of prominent studies that contradicted the author’s conclusions. While acknowledging that only large-scale, randomized trials could provide a valid basis for therapeutic recommendations, the author sometimes relied on laboratory rather than clinical data to support her claim that harm resulted from the concurrent use of antioxidants and chemotherapy. She also sometimes extrapolated from chemoprevention studies rather than those on the concurrent use of antioxidants per se. The article overstated the degree to which the laboratory data diverged in regard to the safety and efficacy of antioxidant therapy: in fact, the preponderance of data suggests a synergistic or at least harmless effect with most high-dose dietary antioxidants and chemotherapy. The practical recommendations made in the article to avoid the general class of antioxidants during chemotherapy are inconsistent, in that if antioxidants were truly a threat to the efficacy of standard therapy, antioxidant-rich foods, especially fruits and vegetables, ought also be proscribed during treatment. Yet no such recommendation is made. Furthermore, the wide-scale use by both medical and radiation oncologists of synthetic antioxidants (eg, amifostine) to control the adverse effects of cytotoxic treatments is similarly overlooked. In sum, this CA article is incomplete: there is far more information available regarding antioxidant supplements as an appropriate adjunctive cancer therapy than is acknowledged. Patients would be well advised to seek the opinion of physicians who are adequately trained and experienced in the intersection of 2 complex fields, that is, chemotherapeutics and nutritional oncology. Physicians whose goal is comprehensive cancer therapy should refer their patients to qualified integrative practitioners who have such training and expertise to guide patients. A blanket rejection of the concurrent use of antioxidants with chemotherapy is not justified by the preponderance of evidence at this time and serves neither the scientific community nor cancer patients. Shemay Shemay Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Shemay,Thank you for the information. I will check it out.Irena Irena Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Shemay,Also, I forgot - our local integrative medicine doctor charges $350 for an initial consultation.  It seems like a hefty price - I just wish I knew someone that had used him... Your doctor's price of $150 sounds a lot more reasonable. Irena Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT  On 1/25/2007 Irena wrote: On 1/23/2007 Shemay wrote: On 1/23/2007 Irena wrote:Have you used intravenous vitamin c therapy?  If so, please let me know if you had any side effects and your resuts.  Thanks so much. Hello Irena At this time I have not used the intravenous vitamin c therapy because I have been so strong and healthy using the alternative methods recommended to me by my Naturopath when I was diagnosed with non Hodgkin's lymphoma in May 2004. I was told at that time that I had a 10cm x 10cm tumour in my chest and an enlarged lymph node on my heart that tested positive for cancer and would need the strongest chemo available in order to "perhaps" save myself. I declined that treatment and instead chose this alternative path. I have no symptoms at this time but out of curiosity as to what may be happening inside I am going to request a CT scan within the next month or so and if there is any cause for concern I definitely will take the intravenous vitamin C. There is a medical doctor/alternative practitioner who has a wellness clinic in a city close by who has had marvelous results using this treatment. I personally know of a number of people with different cancers who have been completely cured through this treatment. I understand that side effects are almost non existant. A very small percentage (less than 1%) of patients who have a pre existing kidney problem may experience stones. I hope this is helpful ShemayHi, Shemay.  Thanks for your reply.  I have read that IV vitamin C may interefere with conventional treatment; what are your thoughts?  Would you please give me some insight as to how you went about choosing an alternative medicine doctor?  The ones in our area are all very expensive and I don't know how to know whom to trust as I don't know anyone who has used them for cancer treatment.  Also, what types of alternative treatments have you used since your diagnosis?  Thanks for your insight.Irena  Hello Irene and Shemay. I'm a great believer in IV vitamin C although I never needed it. My agressive prostate cancer of 10 years ago is in quiet remission with triple hormone therapy and high-dose oral vitamin C. I never needed nor had surgery, radiation of any type or chemo. Basically I followed Dr. Abram Hoffer's vitamin therapy using standard, over the counter vitamins and supplements. My web site has much detail aimed at current cancer patients. Regarding vitamin C therapy, ascorbic acid (common vitamin C) reacts with free radicals in the body to form dehydroascorbate. This DHA is similar to glucose, cancer's favorite food. The DHA easily enters cancer cells through the channels that bring in all that extra glucose. The DHA then gets changed back to ascorbate and hydrogen peroxide--a strong oxidant that kills cancer cells. Normal calls are not harmed. It seems to be working for me and others I know. To simplify vitamin C therapy, realize that vitamin C kills cancer cells depending on both the concentration and the length of time. Thus a high concentration for a short time may be equivalent to a lower concentration (dose) for a longer time. Hoffer found that oral vitamin C given in 4 divided doses each day can be equivalent to strong IV doses which last during 4 to 6 hours or so out of 24. This is overly simplified so be cautious. To answer the question about expensive doctors to administer vitamin C. My experience based on tests by Hoffer, Pauling, Riordan and other big guns is to take high-dose vitamin C and other supplements to aid the vitamin C. I also talked my urologist into triple intermittent hormone therapy 10 years ago. Result: I could hire a dietician or nutritionist or a professional knowledgeable about vitamins. My preferrd email address is --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed.  Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ----  rhcrhc 1/28/2007 Rhcrhc Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT I have squamous cell cancer (mouth cancer).  I have had conventional radiation and chemo therapy and after being clear for a few months my cancer is back.I started taking intravenous vitamin c therapy about 2 weeks ago and I am now up to 60 grams per treatment.  I have no side effects and my naturopathic doctor advised the only side effect I might have is feeling cold.My doctor advised that when you take high doses of Vitamin C it works in the body similar to chemo and radiation whereas if you take low doses it works against the chemo and radiation treatments.I am scheduled for surgery to take out the tumor but I firmly believe that the alternative treatments have a place in my recovery. Sharon  Badbacklady Wed, 31 Jan 2007 00:00:00 GMT Here is a website about the latest trials at the Cancer Centers of America using Intravenous vitamin C. I find it curious though why they would choose only cases where all other options have been unsuccessful. It would seem kinder to have at least some participants try this as their first line of treatment therefore avoiding some of the destructive side effects of some of the more traditional treatments. Hmmmnnn! I'm hoping they are not setting up for failure since there is no way for the drug companies to profit from cornering the market on this natural substance. http://www.kenoshanews.com/articles/index.php?articleNum=538 shemay Shemay Mon, 05 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT Hi, Shemay: Ah, but then they would be going outside the "standard of care" dictated by the pharma companies...but you knew that...are you located in the midwest? The VitC results you mentioned are quite interesting. Also, per the little spat about antineoplastins earlier...just wanted to encourage you to continue your informative posts. Everyone has a point of view and fighting this disease keeps us busy enough...why some people have to believe that any and every one who tries a path other than poisonous chemicals and/or radiation is under the influence of quacks is a mystery to me. If the health insurance system weren't covering people's chemo treatments, and everyone had to notice exactly how much these pharma companies rake in for their wares, then perhaps discussions about due diligence and outcomes might become more nuanced and include some hard facts about chemo's huge rate of failure, as well. Be well. On 2/5/2007 Shemay wrote:Here is a website about the latest trials at the Cancer Centers of America using Intravenous vitamin C. I find it curious though why they would choose only cases where all other options have been unsuccessful. It would seem kinder to have at least some participants try this as their first line of treatment therefore avoiding some of the destructive side effects of some of the more traditional treatments. Hmmmnnn! I'm hoping they are not setting up for failure since there is no way for the drug companies to profit from cornering the market on this natural substance. http://www.kenoshanews.com/articles/index.php?articleNum=538 525" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenoshanews.com/articles/index.php?articleNum=538 " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.kenoshanews.com/articles/index.php?articleNum=538 shemay Nutri-girl Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT Hello, my name is Trish. My father is currently taking intravenous vitamin c therapy for Liver Metastesis with an unknown primary cancer diagnosis, 50g 3x a week.  He started it in November 06, but only for a short time, then resumed it a couple weeks ago when there was no chance he was going to be strong enough for any more chemo.  Since starting again a couple weeks ago, his cancer marker count has gone from 650 to 320.  We are quite surprised and it's given us new hope. The one Chemo round he received did nothing for his cancer count, only make him sick and weaker.  He is quite weak and sick still.  His RBC is only 3.89, his white is 19 and Hmglobin is 115.  So his doesn't feel like he's getting better.  His Naturopath says this will improve as his treatments continue. He only had one round of Chemo but it sure kicked his butt.  We're hoping to see an improvement in his blood counts soon.   It's nice to find someone else who is starting the same treatments...Good Luck.  Spencer Sat, 24 Feb 2007 00:00:00 GMT Trish:How is your dad doing? My wife is getting ready to try vitamin C IV as a maintenance therap to pevent her ovarian cancer from reestablishing itself after being declared clinically free of disease and completing her first-line chemo. I have followed your posts on thei board and been praying for your dad.I've read all of the literature on vitamin C. The success stories are dramatic, but it seems very few people actually try the therapy. I suspect it is because it is not covered by insurance. The expense can be daunting for an average family struggling with loss of income and substantial other medical bills.I want your dad to succeed so he can be an inspiration to so many others who are seeking hopeful alternatives.Please continue to post is progress. Thanks. Herpartner Fri, 06 Apr 2007 00:00:00 GMT Irene and Shemay, My name is Bob Braunhardt of Fullerton, CA. If you live in southern CA, you might want to contact Randy Ice at Bikeice@aol.com , he does the IVC therapy for $125/ visit; he's down in Temecula.  You my also want to go to his parent website: www.bikescor.com ; don't be alarmed that it's a bicycling club, Randy is a nutritionist, a bit of an herbalogist, alopathic specialist as well.  I've known Randy for 25 years thru the Solvang Century bike ride.  I was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer May 4, 07 and am currently doing chemo and radiation and have gathered much info about Vitamin C therapy.  You might want to check out this website  www.doctoryourself.com/chemo.html  ; it has a lot of good info about the benefit of using Vitamin C in conjunction WITH both chemo and radiation, contrary to what most oncologists and radiation doctors tell you.  I'm in a battle with my doctors to get them to approve the use of vitamin C as part of the 'normal regime' of treatment.  One other website I found showed an improvement of 71-98% when using vitamin C and/or Vitamin E  AND chemo/radiation as opposed to chemo/radiation only!  Pretty astounding data !  Take care and fight!  We're all fighters when it comes to cancer.  if you want to contact me directly, my email is bbraunhardt@yahoo.com  Bob B. Bbraun Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT Irena, check my reply to Shemay about vitamin C therapy.  Do you live in southern CA, I'm in Fullerton, CA.  Bob B. Bbraun Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT How is he able to administer IVC if he's not a physician? Lemondrop Thu, 28 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT Lemondrop and Irena, check his website for more info. Randy is a Physical Therapist and a C.C.C. (whatever that stands for).  He deals with cardiac rehab thru bicycling and therapy using alopathic and wholistic and alternative medicine protocols. He IS licensed to give Vitamin C IV's and also Testosterone therapy as well.  His website is: www.bikescor.com , you can email him thru is website, his email address is listed.  Take care, good luck and have a happy 4th.  BOB B Bbraun Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT Shemay and Irena, check this website: www.vitamincfoundation.org/cancer.htm    They show a chart where the use of Vitamin C(~1000mg/day) and Vitamin E(~400iu/day) actually enhance the effectiveness of a number of chemos to the tune of ~35% chemo alone to 92+% when used WITH Vitamin C and about 72% vs 35% for Vit E.  I've been doing this thruout my treatment (may 23- July 6) with no ill effects, the chemo is 5-F/U.  After my radiation is thru (jul 6) I'll be going back onto the megadose tolerance buildup of Vit C.  I was up to 16000mg/day with no ill effects, so I'll be working from that point upwards UNTIL I get mild diarhea, then I back off 20%.  That becomes my daily dosage!  You HAVE to do the tolerance buildup FIRST to find 'your' body's tolerance, otherwise you can get in BIG trouble!  I have a bunch of data from various websites showing the same kind of results.       Use the following searches for info: "Vitamin C and chemo therapy", "Vitamin C and radiation therapy" and ditto for radiation.  Also "alternative therapy for cancer"                  Good luck.   Bob B Bbraun Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:00:00 GMT