milk + cancer

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milk + cancer

by GregDahlen on Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:51 PM

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I do wonder if the unusual diet I've been following 11 years might help cancer. For eleven years, I've lived perhaps 93% on fluid milk products, cow milk and cow cream. So on average, every day my diet is some kind of milk or milks--skim, 1%, 2%, whole--plus I sometimes buy pints of half-and-half or fluid whipping cream and drink them straight.

In my case the diet helps with a pesky eye problem. I think for the same reasons the diet helps with eye discomfort and dysfunction it might help with cancer. I don't know all the reasons the diet helps with eye pain, but based on how my body feels, one of the significant reasons is this: When you eat something, your gastrointestinal system breaks it down and extracts the nutrients, then sends those nutrients around in the blood to nourish the cells. Based on my experience, the g.i. system does break down solid, mixed food. But it never breaks it down as much as milk and cream are broken down. Thus, when the nutrients from the solid food reach the cells via the blood, they clog and irritate the cells more than nutrients from milk and cream, and by clogging and irritating the cells cause pain and dysfunction. This is why I think the diet might help cancer, although to my knowledge it has never been tested so I don't know for sure.

One objection to this diet might be that it is low in or lacking certain nutrients the government recommends. This is true, it is. Yet for me I do better on this diet than when I eat a diet of mixed, solid food that does have all the recommended nutrients. So I believe the diet is better.

My PCP knows about my diet and says "If it works for the patient it's okay with me." She does see that I do very well on my physical exams and blood tests.

I got this idea from the Masai tribe of Kenya, who are famous for living only on products from their cows, beef and milk. The Masai do have an important rule related to food mixing. They say "If a man eats beef and drinks milk on the same day, he is a glutton." Since I don't want to be a glutton, I have to choose every day whether I'll have beef or milk. I do like beef, but prefer milk, so for me every day is milk. And that is where I've seen the health benefits. I don't know what would happen if I occasionally had a beef day or many of them. Perhaps the diet would be as effective. But maybe not. But the diet that has worked for me is the one with milk and cream. I mention it to the Cancer Compass community as something people could try to see if it might help their cancer.

One thing about this diet is you do urinate a lot since milk and cream are largely water and you're ingesting a lot of them. I've never found urinating a lot a problem myself.

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by GregDahlen on Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:32 PM

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Well the internet says "milk has a pH of around 6.5 to 6.7, which makes it slightly acidic. Some sources cite milk as being neutral since it is so close to the neutral pH of 7.0".

This study says that a vegan diet is better than certain other diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565018/. But I don't think they tested the diet I have followed. It seems conceivable to me my diet is better yet. But I'm not sure. I hope my diet will be tested.

I did watch the McDougall video but I'll go back and watch it again to respond to your other points. I'll find the studies he cites and what he asserts about them and see if they are valid. If you like you can go back through his video and find the studies he cites and give them to me, or find other studies that you think prove your points. I've not had constipation, diabetes of any kind, or cancer on my diet. But I do understand that I am only one person, and my experience by itself doesn't prove that others wouldn't have these problems.

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by GregDahlen on Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:43 AM

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So I've re-watched about 23 minutes of the McDougall video so far. He does say in the beginning that dairy products are high-fat and hence promote obesity, cancer, and diabetes. I do want to point out that in my diet much of the milk I drink is either skim (non-fat), or 1% milk. I don't believe my diet is very high-fat. So the criticisms you have applied in this area may not apply to me or to others who follow the diet minimizing fat.

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by GregDahlen on Wed Jan 24, 2018 01:44 AM

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I am reading one of the studies McDougall cites: http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199810153391602. Here it looks like certain kids do respond to cow milk being more constipated than kids on soy milk. Although early in the study it mentions that the kids on soy milk showed other problems that the kids on cow milk don't have, so it may be that in losing one problem you gain another. I'll finish reading the study later. I do think it's possible that some people might not respond well to drinking as much cream and milk as I do. I'm not sure. But I think some might respond well. I think it's possible that for some it might help reduce cancer, although the idea hasn't been tested as far as I know. Thinking it might help some is why I mention it on CancerCompass.

I should mention that lately I've been adding a little lemon to my milk and cream because milk and cream are a little low in vitamin C. I have a lemon tree on the property where I live so occasionally I pick up a fallen lemon and slice off little pieces and put them in my milk and eat them as they reach my mouth when I'm drinking the milk.

By the way, my weight is pretty healthy on this diet. I'm six feet, two inches tall and weigh about 160 pounds (72 kg). So I don't have a problem with getting too much fat on this diet.

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by GregDahlen on Fri Jan 26, 2018 09:37 PM

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Okay, thanks for this question. Before I speak to this one, I did finish the study about constipation being caused by cow's milk. It really surprised me, because I've never had a problem with constipation, and I've been living about 93% on fluid milk products, cow milk and cow cream, for 11 years. I would think there are many people who could live on this diet that I've been living on without being constipated, since I think a lot of people's bodies work similarly to mine. I think the diet might give them some relief from or perhaps a lot of relief from their cancer. But the proposition has never been tested that I know of so I'm not sure.

One thing is that if someone looks back at what I say they'll see that I never consume beef and milk on the same day. I am guessing the kids in the study did consume beef and milk on the same day. I'm not sure, but it's possible to me that it might be this combining of foods, not the milk by itself, that causes the constipation. So actually if someone followed my diet, that's another reason they may not get constipated, although I'm not sure if it would prevent it.

As far as the bovine leukemia, McDougall says in the first video you shared that researchers found the bovine leukemia didn't affect humans. Although he doesn't provide the actual studies. I'll watch your second video and see what it says.  

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by GregDahlen on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:22 PM

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I watched this video, and thanks. I was interested in a study mentioned in it. It was http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/34/10/2745.full-te In this study the admins took twelve newborn chimps and divided them into two groups of six. One group they fed only on milk from a dairy cow herd. The other got formula. Two of the six chimps in the first group died from what looks like the side-effects of leukemia, while none in the second group died. But there's an important detail about this study: the milk fed to the chimps in the first group came from a special herd maintained by the University of Pennsylvania that has a high amount of bovine leukemia virus. You can see this on page two of the study: "The unpasteurized cow's milk used in this study was provided by the high-incidence leukemia research herd maintained at the University of Pennsylvania." But when I live 93% on milk and cream, I'm not getting milk from herds with an exceptionally high amount of leukemia virus. I buy the milk at stores and it comes from all different herds that generally don't have a high amount. So this study does not relate to my diet.

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by GregDahlen on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:25 PM

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Sorry, I don't think the link worked. I think this one will. It takes you to a short message about the study. You have to then click "pdf" there and you'll see the study: http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/34/10/2745.short

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