Advanced Prostate Cancer

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RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by tomatoman on Thu Jul 12, 2018 08:06 PM

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On Jul 12, 2018 12:12 PM Meetha wrote:

Hello Mike

Now these are two contradictory indicators of efficacy of heat therapy. 

You have relief in pain but your PSA is rising even at slower pace. What do you  make of it?

Would you call it effective in treatment of PC?

Is this better than tomatojuice, which has no side effects? 

Will appreciate your answer. 

Thanks

Meetha

Meetha

I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions about it and I am waiting for my PSA test in early September before I know for sure.  

My feeling at this time is that the heat therapy has obliterated my metastasis in lymph nodes in my back and on my skull.  The pain is gone, essentially.  This morning I treated (first time in a week), for the remainder of what might be residual tumors in my back right rib area.  The pains are barely detectable, only with twisting my torso and pressing with my fingers am I able to detect slight pains. 

I am spreading out the treatments gradually due to my belief that the heat treatment caused an abnormally high reading on June 1.  By my next PSA test I should be off of heat for two weeks, and I expect my PSA will be very low. 

We all know that stimulation of pc cells causes rise in serum PSA, but we don't know what goes on with heat stimulation.  My guess is that by applying heat to the pc tumors, I inadvertently raised the PSA in my blood significantly. At that time, in June, I was treating every other day, and so I believe my PSA was artificially higher than it would have been if I had not stimulated the tumors with heat.

I seem to have caught the pc growth before it reached any organs.  The biggest tumors were in my spine and right lower ribs.  If it had spread to kidney or liver or brain, I then would probably not be able to kill the cells with heat.  Lycopenes might be able to work in those places that are too deep for heat treatment.

According to what I have read, cancer cells die at 106 degrees F, and I have been using heat in the range of 110 to 150 degrees F, for a few minutes at a time. I think my skull metastasis was eliminated by hot showers in the range of 106 to 115 degrees F, back iin 2017.  Others in back lymph nodes seem to have gradually diminished since April after many treatments, with the hotter heat values.

That's what I think now but I won't know for sure until September when I see test results. Thanks for asking.  I am really thinking that I have beat the cancer with heat., perhaps 95% at this point.

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by Meetha on Sat Jul 14, 2018 05:15 PM

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Hello Mike

I am impressed with your observations.

All the best for your PSA report. If it is very less, as you expect, then Eureka! you have found the elusive maintenance method if not cure. 

Please send me the link for heat therapy. Would like to read up. 

Keep us posted us about your report.

Meetha

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by tomatoman on Sun Jul 15, 2018 06:05 PM

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On Jul 14, 2018 5:15 PM Meetha wrote:

Hello Mike

I am impressed with your observations.

All the best for your PSA report. If it is very less, as you expect, then Eureka! you have found the elusive maintenance method if not cure. 

Please send me the link for heat therapy. Would like to read up. 

Keep us posted us about your report.

Meetha

There was no single article that led me to my treatment.  Here is one that influenced me.  

https://www.healyourlife.com/3-reasons-why-high-heat-effecti

"In 1927, Julius Wagner-Jauregg was awarded a Nobel Prize for his work in hyperthermic therapies, but how many people do you know today who are utilizing it in the fight against cancer? It’s a shame, really, becausehyperthermia is a highly effective way to kill cancer cells.They only need to beheated to about 108 degrees Fahrenheit for roughly one hour in order to die. Healthy cells, on the other hand, die at a much higher temperature, so this heating process is completely safe and 100 percent selective, destroying only malignant cells. Even better is the fact that this gentle heat promotes blood vessel dilation around healthy cells, improving their function—this while knocking out cancer cells with ease."

Several articles about hyperthermia seem to say that it needs to  be used in conjunction with other therapies, (chemo, rad-), and nutrition, (antioxidants).  I was using extensive lycopene intake (primarily vegetable juice), prior to using heat therapy, and that might have helped.  But I stopped that when I started frequent heat therapy because I needed to be clear about where the pains were located, and the pains were caused by growth of tumors. So by stopping lycopene intake I was able to better adminsister the heat.

In retrospect it seems that a combination of lycopene intake and heat therapy is what worked best for me and against prostate cancer specifically.  Alternating those two methods is probably good.  And niether of them is harmful or causing significant side effects so I don't worry about them much.

The general idea about hyperthermia as used medically is to elevate the entire body temperature like a fever, but what I am doing is localized heat therapy at the tumor sites. (This is my own "invention" which I have not seen anywhere else.  I believe it is very difficult to raise the entire body temperature but it is quite easy to heat small areas temporarily. Experience tells me that up to 140 (even 150) degrees for short periods does not cause long term damage to normal cells, (although it seems to cause a mild two-day heat bruise feeling).  Running hot water during a shower with 110 degrees F over the area seems to heat the outer skin temperature, say 1/4 inch or 6mm.  Doing it for several minutes at a time and regularly seemed to eliminate my skull metastasis.  The rib lesions seem deeper, perhaps 1/2" to 1" deep, and they require hotter temperatures to reach deeper.  I use a steel 2.5 lb weight which I heat in a saucepan with boiling water, then cool down to under 10 degrees prior to applying it with a layer of cloth between me and it.  When it cools down to under 120 degrees I then put it on my skin directly on spots where I suspect cancer.

I tried a sauna but it seems to do very little.  It might heat the outer surface of skin 1/8" or so but is not effective deeper.

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by Meetha on Wed Jul 18, 2018 04:00 PM

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Hello Mike. Thanks for that elaborate reply. Your method surely heats the affected points precisely. I had extensive bone mets in August, 2017 But following Lu 177 -PSMA in January, 2018, all my bone pains vanished by March end. Now, I can not pinpoint any point as painful. I am taking tomato soup four times, 150 ml each time. I never felt healthier before. I walk 5-10 km daily, depending on once or twice. But my PSA has risen from 4.6 in May 2018 to 10.8 in June, 2018. Doc has asked for another PSA test and PET scan in first week of August. Depending upon the reports, he'll decide on future course of medical action. I am looking for some alternative method to keep PSA under 4, without having to take any medicine or treatment. Currently I am taking Abiratrone, Eligard 22,5 Mg injection once every three months. Medicines are good as they brought me back from bed ridden crippled state to life again, but they are not without side effects. And I want to live dependency free life. Any food prohibitions are fine. Now in the absence of pain, where do I apply heat? My urination is restricted. Need to take tab Urimax every three four days. I also have stiff groin. Always had. I wonder if that is what finally caused PC? I feel using Asian seats, necessitates squatting keeps hips open. But wisdom dawned too late. Or was it my love for liquor and animal food?At 59, I want to live scare free life and live to meet my grandchildren. In good health. Mike, people like you keep me inspired. Thanks for your support. All the best and warm regards Meetha

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by tomatoman on Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:55 PM

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On Jul 18, 2018 4:00 PM Meetha wrote:

Hello Mike. Thanks for that elaborate reply. Your method surely heats the affected points precisely. I had extensive bone mets in August, 2017 But following Lu 177 -PSMA in January, 2018, all my bone pains vanished by March end. Now, I can not pinpoint any point as painful. I am taking tomato soup four times, 150 ml each time. I never felt healthier before. I walk 5-10 km daily, depending on once or twice. But my PSA has risen from 4.6 in May 2018 to 10.8 in June, 2018. Doc has asked for another PSA test and PET scan in first week of August. Depending upon the reports, he'll decide on future course of medical action. I am looking for some alternative method to keep PSA under 4, without having to take any medicine or treatment. Currently I am taking Abiratrone, Eligard 22,5 Mg injection once every three months. Medicines are good as they brought me back from bed ridden crippled state to life again, but they are not without side effects. And I want to live dependency free life. Any food prohibitions are fine. Now in the absence of pain, where do I apply heat? My urination is restricted. Need to take tab Urimax every three four days. I also have stiff groin. Always had. I wonder if that is what finally caused PC? I feel using Asian seats, necessitates squatting keeps hips open. But wisdom dawned too late. Or was it my love for liquor and animal food?At 59, I want to live scare free life and live to meet my grandchildren. In good health. Mike, people like you keep me inspired. Thanks for your support. All the best and warm regards Meetha

Meetha

It seems like the Lu 177 does not clear out all the pc cells with one treatment, and the excessive radiation may be harmful with more than one treatment.  (That's my take on it,)  It apparently is in Australia only now.

In the absence of pain you might try the sauna.  I ordered a portable sauna for about $200 US which I have used about half a dozen times now.  It clearly gets up to 130 degrees in 20 minutes which is where I stop.  I have to say I don't know if it is effective like the other method I use applying heat locally.

Also in the absence of pain you might study your scans to try to see where the Lu-177 did not work.  It seems to not eliminate all the pc cells in the locations where the tumors were largest.  

I normally don't feel pain.  It is only clear when I twist my body 90 degrees or more, and put pressure with fingers.  That works for me because all the pain spots are probably in lymph nodes in my back.  In your case they could be in bone or organs so I don't know what to do for those.  Hormone treatment might work but most likely your pc is not hormone sensitive.  So you are right to use lycopenes. But i was taking half cup of v8 every four hours and PSA still rose before I tried heat treatment.  If you can find the location of the tumors, then try heating them.  If it is groin area, you might try a hot tub soak at 110 deg. F for an hour.  It might be worth a try.

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by Meetha on Wed Jul 25, 2018 01:28 PM

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Hello Mike. I am getting PET Scan tom. Will get the report in a three days. Then will apply the heat with a dumbbell heated in boiling water on the spots as you do. How do you monitor its temperature? Just as hot as you can tolerate? Thanks. Meetha

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by tomatoman on Thu Jul 26, 2018 02:29 AM

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On Jul 25, 2018 1:28 PM Meetha wrote:

Hello Mike. I am getting PET Scan tom. Will get the report in a three days. Then will apply the heat with a dumbbell heated in boiling water on the spots as you do. How do you monitor its temperature? Just as hot as you can tolerate? Thanks. Meetha

I use a thermometer which I bought at Harbor Freight, a hardware and tool company.  https://www.harborfreight.com/media/catalog/product/i/m/imag

I measure the temperature after heating the dumbell in boiling water in a saucepan, and wait for it to get below 150F.  Then I handle it with a paper towel and lie down on it at the appropriate spot on my back or wherever.  I wear a light teeshirt which makes it a bit cooler. If I feel it is too hot I back off for a few seconds, then return.  I try to hold it for 30 breaths without a break.  That happens, usually,  between temperature 130 down to  110.  

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by Meetha on Tue Jul 31, 2018 11:44 AM

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Hello Mike I got my PET Scan reports, which shows that the disease has progressed. Despite tomato soups, and IP6 and Zytiga and Lu 177! It shows some legions on skull. You have mentioned that you removed yours by running hot water over it during shower. How exactly did you do that? Doesn't it rundown on your face scalding it? Do skull lesions mean that brain met is next?

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by Meetha on Tue Jul 31, 2018 05:15 PM

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Hello Mike I plan to destroy my lesions through heat. Pl. compare the following methods. 1- your method of applying heat locally through a heated dumbbell. Or do you use a weight plate, which is flat and easier to lie on? Can we do it using a hot stone also? 2- By lying in a tub full of hot water? 3- Trough sauna 4- through a steam bath 5- hot wet towels 6- through heat pads filled with millets or any other round seeds and warmed in a microwave oven. These take shape of the body. 7- electric heat pads Thanks. Meetha.

RE: Advanced Prostate Cancer

by tomatoman on Sun Aug 05, 2018 01:45 PM

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On Jul 31, 2018 11:44 AM Meetha wrote:

Hello Mike I got my PET Scan reports, which shows that the disease has progressed. Despite tomato soups, and IP6 and Zytiga and Lu 177! It shows some legions on skull. You have mentioned that you removed yours by running hot water over it during shower. How exactly did you do that? Doesn't it rundown on your face scalding it? Do skull lesions mean that brain met is next?

Click on my name and you will see a photo of the spots on my skull which were there last August.  At the time they were discovered my doc wanted to study further with a bone metastasis Xray which was scheduled in September.  Meanwhile I went on a vacation for a week and during that week I showered in a hotel in Hawail, running hot water over my head as hot as I could bear for a minute or two, a couple of times.  It was just a long shot, I knew nothing about it, and I tried it, knowing a bit about heat being used to kill cancer cells. That was my first heat treatment.  During that week I was also taking V8 juice every few hours, intense lycopene intake. The bone metastasis xray a week after that showed nothing.

The water temperature from a shower varies from place to place due to different heating and piping distances, insulation, and shower head designs.  I did not measure it but I think it was in the range of 110 to 115 degrees  maximum, which is similar to mine at home.  At home I find it is sometimes under 105 but usually around 110.  Realize that the temperature drops as soon as the water leaves the tank, as the water is cooled by pipes.  Also as it hits your head, the water temperature falls rapidly, since your head is only 98 degrees.  Even as the shower head disburses the water through the air the temperature drops from passing through the air which is 70 or so.  I have never experienced scalding from a shower, so it seems that the temperatures I am using are not harmful to healthy cells.  I believe the danger level is around 140-150 degrees F.  

I do not know  what happens if the lesions on the skull continue to grow.  Fortunately for me, they have disappeared.  My guess is that if they grow, they go into the bone of the skull and eventually get to the other side.

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