Glioblastoma

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RE: Glioblastoma

by ljayr on Mon Jul 30, 2018 02:10 PM

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Hi Lollylegs,

I did send a lengthy response yesterday regarding a possible timeline and info, but it is not showing up.  Perhaps it was intentionally omitted by this site, and I understand that.  They have the right to do that.  I will sum up what I said and see if you get this.  It sounds like your cousin is still eating, which is a good sign.  If he transitions to soft food or liquid food, that is another item listed on the timeline (2-3 weeks) and (1-2 weeks).  Perhaps you will find more information on the timeline and can figure out where your cousin is according to that...???  The last time my brother ate was about five days before his death.  Urine output discontinued on Monday, he passed away the following Thursday.  We were able to talk with him on Wednesday, off and on, and he still responded by throat noises or moving/waving his hand, gripping our hands.  Thank you for your kind words regarding the caregiving I did with him.  I did the very best I could so I wouldn't have any regrets.  No one chooses cancer, and I did whatever I could to make his life easier and his passing better.  He was a brave soul who fought his cancer (with chemo) because he was encouraged to do so.  But now I realize his doctors knew there was no hope for him, he was just too sick and the cancer too rare and aggressive.  However, because he endured four rounds of chemo, our family was given time to process his illness and make special memories and connections with him that we would not have been able to if he wouldn't have taken the chemo.  One family member summed it up best..."he taught us how to die".  So true.  Sometimes eternal healing is the only answer.  He hated the chemo treatments and the cancer, and his future, even with treatments, would be life altering.  I understand and accept his choices, and would do the same if I was in his shoes.  One of my biggest future joys is to be reunited in heaven with him and to see him healed.  I do think he will have a big smile and "thank you", and hug for me.  As he was dying, I kept saying over and over..."I love you, ______."  After all, when we die, won't we want to hear that as our last words?  

Okay, enough of all that...again way more information than you needed or asked for.  I'm sorry.  I'm going to try and send this and see if you get it.

I hope your visit with your cousin went well.  Keep asking the questions.  I'm trying to answer them.  Hang in there Lollylegs.   

RE: Glioblastoma

by mutt2679 on Mon Jul 30, 2018 03:52 PM

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It's difficult, but we are coping. It's so weird, I get home from work, and my first instinct is to go check on dad. I think it's going to take me awhile to get over that feeling, it's been so much a part of everyday life for so long. But, we are all doing ok. Trying to get everything in order for my mother now. 

Your cousins diet is a tough one. My mom had a really hard time not giving him food. She felt like he wasn't getting enough. I mentioned it to the nurse and she said his body doesn't need the food, it's concentrating on other things. It didn't make it any easier to have the solid food stop, but it did make sense. 

I do remember the bracelet, that is great he was able to give it to her. That makes me so happy, I'm so glad you were able to share in that moment! I'm sure your cousin and his wife will cherish that memory, and the bracelet will be a nice reminder for her of the man your cousin is. 

Going off of what I saw with my dad, I agree with you, I don't think he's there yet. As Ijayr said, switching to liquid diet acording to the time line is first mentioned 2-3 weeks out, and again at 1-2 weeks. With my dad when we had to stop giving him solid food, it was 2-3 weeks. It's hard to narrow down exactly where on the timeline people are. I feel for you. I know the heartache of wondering when. I think a lot of times it's harder to tell where people are on the timeline when you are close to them as well, that might be why his family is in denial. My little sister did that same thing. 3 days before she was thinking she had months left with him. It's really hard to know what to say to your cousin or his family. I couldn't bring my self to say anything like "it's ok to go" until It was pretty clear he was suffering and fighting too hard to stay with us. You are definitely not failing your cousin. Even in his sleeping state, I'm sure your cousin knows when you are there and knows of your intentions. He is blessed to have you there for him. 

I'm happy to be able to support you. I know how hard it is and a lot of the thoughts you express is so much like what I was thinking while my father was going through it. I only hope I can help as much as talking to you helped me. Sorry my last message took so long, I checked the boards, but didn't see your reply until yesterday. I check here daily to see if there is an update on your cousin.  Wishing you all the best and sending love

RE: Glioblastoma

by Lollylegs on Tue Jul 31, 2018 02:14 AM

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On Jul 30, 2018 2:10 PM ljayr wrote:

Hi Lollylegs,

I did send a lengthy response yesterday regarding a possible timeline and info, but it is not showing up.  Perhaps it was intentionally omitted by this site, and I understand that.  They have the right to do that.  I will sum up what I said and see if you get this.  It sounds like your cousin is still eating, which is a good sign.  If he transitions to soft food or liquid food, that is another item listed on the timeline (2-3 weeks) and (1-2 weeks).  Perhaps you will find more information on the timeline and can figure out where your cousin is according to that...???  The last time my brother ate was about five days before his death.  Urine output discontinued on Monday, he passed away the following Thursday.  We were able to talk with him on Wednesday, off and on, and he still responded by throat noises or moving/waving his hand, gripping our hands.  Thank you for your kind words regarding the caregiving I did with him.  I did the very best I could so I wouldn't have any regrets.  No one chooses cancer, and I did whatever I could to make his life easier and his passing better.  He was a brave soul who fought his cancer (with chemo) because he was encouraged to do so.  But now I realize his doctors knew there was no hope for him, he was just too sick and the cancer too rare and aggressive.  However, because he endured four rounds of chemo, our family was given time to process his illness and make special memories and connections with him that we would not have been able to if he wouldn't have taken the chemo.  One family member summed it up best..."he taught us how to die".  So true.  Sometimes eternal healing is the only answer.  He hated the chemo treatments and the cancer, and his future, even with treatments, would be life altering.  I understand and accept his choices, and would do the same if I was in his shoes.  One of my biggest future joys is to be reunited in heaven with him and to see him healed.  I do think he will have a big smile and "thank you", and hug for me.  As he was dying, I kept saying over and over..."I love you, ______."  After all, when we die, won't we want to hear that as our last words?  

Okay, enough of all that...again way more information than you needed or asked for.  I'm sorry.  I'm going to try and send this and see if you get it.

I hope your visit with your cousin went well.  Keep asking the questions.  I'm trying to answer them.  Hang in there Lollylegs.   

Hi, Thank you so much for your reply, I didn’t receive a message showing a timeline yesterday after the one I answered, I’m not very good at navigating these sites and I’m akways happy to see your messages. You did an amazing job with your brother, you will see him again I’m sure of it. I hope for the same withbmy cousin. As my cousin only had 6 weeks of a chemo tablet and 6 weeks of radiation as it was not helping in anyway after another MRI was done we don’t have any extra time from treatment so that’s sad but something we all have to accept. My main prayer is that he doesn’t suffer and he appears comfortable most of the time, pain at times but still sleeping after medication. I very much appreciate your kindness and messages. I will keep you updated. Thank you again

RE: Glioblastoma

by Lollylegs on Tue Jul 31, 2018 02:46 AM

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Hi Mutt, Thank you for your reply and thank you for checking each day if you have any messages, that means a lot to me. That coupled with the fact that you go to check your dad when you get home each day tells me how you obviously have a heart of gold...I knew that already. My cousin was the same yesterday, sleeping. He looks so comfortable and I always check under his covers that his body feels warm enough as it’s so cold here at the moment. He’s always warm but I guess my nurturing comes out and it’s just something that probably does more for me than him thinking I’m doing something at least to help him. I just feel so helpless and at times guilty my life is going on with a wedding in 7 weeks, just so unfair this is happening to him. Oh my goodness, this is such a cruel disease, when I pull up at the house it’s just a normal house on a normal street and a person may walk past as I’m walking into the house and my heart wants to scream out...my cousin is dying in that house! Such a crazy thought, I feel like the world needs to know and show respect...the fact that people may walk past laughing from their conversations or smile and say hello but be unaware of what is occurring just metres from where we stand...I drive past other houses on the street and think, in that house may be a family, a celebration or someone fighting to cling onto life as my dear cousin is. My mind is all over the place, it’s the injustice of it all. It will be really hard if his diet is changed to mainly liquid, his pleasures are few now and a bite or two of a sweet treat is something he loves. Yesterday I took him a small Trifle which his wife fed him some spoonfuls of jelly, fruit, custard and cream last night which he enjoyed. I thought, it’s something soft that he doesn’t need to chew very much and swallowing hopefully isn’t too hard. I just can’t believe this is all happening. Sadly apart from his two sisters I’m his main visitor now, he has other cousins but everyone is struggling to see him now, I find that makes me angry as they rely on me to find out how he is but could so easily go and see him themselves. I know it’s different peoples way of dealing with things. It’s heartbreaking for me and so hard too but I will never stop seeing him while it’s still possible. I was awake until 5 am this morning distressed thinking he will probably leave us before the wedding and I’ve decided that if that happens, I’m going to write a few words that I’ve already asked my son to read out, I just feel as a mark of respect to such a dear dear cousin, friend and soul mate I don’t want the reception to start without acknowledging my cousin and raising a glass to him in a toast to the world of what a true gentleman he was. Even if he is still with us he will not be at the wedding, it’s just not possible now so I will still have prepared something different to be read as I don’t want him for one second for him in anyway to be out of sight and out of my mind as nothing would ever be further from the truth. I’ve also not cancelled his lapel flower as even if he’s not at the wedding his flower will be right in front of me the whole time. Just my little ways of trying for him to be there with me. Your support is invaluable and the respect I have for you is immeasurable as I know you probably don’t want to relive all this now your gentleman of a father has passed so I sincerely apologise if I’m causing you any pain. One thing I know from reading your heartfelt messages is that your father must of left this world with such admiration in his heart for the man he’s raised in you, you are a true credit to both your parents, they have raised such an amazing person and they must be so proud. This is the way I am trying to raise my children 30 and 25 years old. I sometimes think it sounds corny but I always try to make others smile or be happy as I feel if one person a day smiles with something that has come from our heart then we’ve done well. I’m still trying to live that way even through such sadness. I’m not sure how long posts take to be approved on this site, I check daily also. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Please give your mum a hug from me, and a big hug and pat on the back for you, your wonderful with a beautiful heart. My love to you and your mum xx

RE: Glioblastoma

by Lollylegs on Tue Jul 31, 2018 02:48 AM

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On Jul 30, 2018 3:52 PM mutt2679 wrote:

It's difficult, but we are coping. It's so weird, I get home from work, and my first instinct is to go check on dad. I think it's going to take me awhile to get over that feeling, it's been so much a part of everyday life for so long. But, we are all doing ok. Trying to get everything in order for my mother now. 

Your cousins diet is a tough one. My mom had a really hard time not giving him food. She felt like he wasn't getting enough. I mentioned it to the nurse and she said his body doesn't need the food, it's concentrating on other things. It didn't make it any easier to have the solid food stop, but it did make sense. 

I do remember the bracelet, that is great he was able to give it to her. That makes me so happy, I'm so glad you were able to share in that moment! I'm sure your cousin and his wife will cherish that memory, and the bracelet will be a nice reminder for her of the man your cousin is. 

Going off of what I saw with my dad, I agree with you, I don't think he's there yet. As Ijayr said, switching to liquid diet acording to the time line is first mentioned 2-3 weeks out, and again at 1-2 weeks. With my dad when we had to stop giving him solid food, it was 2-3 weeks. It's hard to narrow down exactly where on the timeline people are. I feel for you. I know the heartache of wondering when. I think a lot of times it's harder to tell where people are on the timeline when you are close to them as well, that might be why his family is in denial. My little sister did that same thing. 3 days before she was thinking she had months left with him. It's really hard to know what to say to your cousin or his family. I couldn't bring my self to say anything like "it's ok to go" until It was pretty clear he was suffering and fighting too hard to stay with us. You are definitely not failing your cousin. Even in his sleeping state, I'm sure your cousin knows when you are there and knows of your intentions. He is blessed to have you there for him. 

I'm happy to be able to support you. I know how hard it is and a lot of the thoughts you express is so much like what I was thinking while my father was going through it. I only hope I can help as much as talking to you helped me. Sorry my last message took so long, I checked the boards, but didn't see your reply until yesterday. I check here daily to see if there is an update on your cousin.  Wishing you all the best and sending love

Hi again, I’ve just replied to your message but dudntbtick the boxes at the bottom of the message to notify me when I get a reply so I really hope I get your reply, silly me :(

RE: Glioblastoma

by mutt2679 on Tue Jul 31, 2018 09:36 PM

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Hello, 

Thank you for your sweet words. I try to live up to what my parents taught me. After all they've done for me, it feels like it's something I can do to pay a small part of that back. My mom and I were talking a few weeks ago about that very same thing, She said she feels like our house was in a bubble, and the world outside just keeps going, while we are inside struggling. She said it would be nice if everything just stopped and let us catch our breath for a minute. It puts a new perspective on the people around you, you never know what they are going through inside their own homes. Cancer really is horrible, I follow everything I can on clinical trials and anything else I can find. I will be really happy when there is a break through. No one deserves to go through this. I'm glad he was able to enjoy the treat you brought him. That is frustrating his other cousins are struggling to go see him. I always wonder if it'll be a regret for those people afterwards. My dad had a sister who texted my mom and said she couldn't come out and see him because she didn't want to see him like that and that she has a hard time with death. in the year and a half dad was sick, she saw him 3 times for maybe an hour total. I don't understand that at all. Especially when my dad would have been by her side when he could if it was reveresed. I get that it's hard to see for sure, but It's harder on the person going through it, atleast thats how I see it. Having visitors whether my dad was asleep or not always made him a bit more excited. I hope his other cousins can bring themselves to visit before the end. 

That will be a wonderful tribute to him at your wedding. I pray he makes it, but if not that will make a great tribute to your cousin and make sure that he is there in thoughts. What a beautiful thing. 

The respect is mutual. Talking and going through this with you and your cousin even though we are worlds apart has been really comforting. You aren't causing me pain at all. I came to peace with my fathers passing. I know he wouldn't want me dwelling and being hurt by it. If I can provide even just a little comfort to you and yours, I'll do it gladly. Your comment about bringing a smile to others made me smile. Even when my father was going through this, he never lost his smile. He was a friend to everyone and always had a smile to share. It's a great goal to have. I'll pass on the hugs for sure. Same for you and your cousin. Hoping he's still able to eat more than liquids. You guys are always in my thoughts.

 

RE: Glioblastoma

by Lollylegs on Thu Aug 02, 2018 03:37 PM

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On Jul 31, 2018 9:36 PM mutt2679 wrote:

Hello, 

Thank you for your sweet words. I try to live up to what my parents taught me. After all they've done for me, it feels like it's something I can do to pay a small part of that back. My mom and I were talking a few weeks ago about that very same thing, She said she feels like our house was in a bubble, and the world outside just keeps going, while we are inside struggling. She said it would be nice if everything just stopped and let us catch our breath for a minute. It puts a new perspective on the people around you, you never know what they are going through inside their own homes. Cancer really is horrible, I follow everything I can on clinical trials and anything else I can find. I will be really happy when there is a break through. No one deserves to go through this. I'm glad he was able to enjoy the treat you brought him. That is frustrating his other cousins are struggling to go see him. I always wonder if it'll be a regret for those people afterwards. My dad had a sister who texted my mom and said she couldn't come out and see him because she didn't want to see him like that and that she has a hard time with death. in the year and a half dad was sick, she saw him 3 times for maybe an hour total. I don't understand that at all. Especially when my dad would have been by her side when he could if it was reveresed. I get that it's hard to see for sure, but It's harder on the person going through it, atleast thats how I see it. Having visitors whether my dad was asleep or not always made him a bit more excited. I hope his other cousins can bring themselves to visit before the end. 

That will be a wonderful tribute to him at your wedding. I pray he makes it, but if not that will make a great tribute to your cousin and make sure that he is there in thoughts. What a beautiful thing. 

The respect is mutual. Talking and going through this with you and your cousin even though we are worlds apart has been really comforting. You aren't causing me pain at all. I came to peace with my fathers passing. I know he wouldn't want me dwelling and being hurt by it. If I can provide even just a little comfort to you and yours, I'll do it gladly. Your comment about bringing a smile to others made me smile. Even when my father was going through this, he never lost his smile. He was a friend to everyone and always had a smile to share. It's a great goal to have. I'll pass on the hugs for sure. Same for you and your cousin. Hoping he's still able to eat more than liquids. You guys are always in my thoughts.

 

Hello Mutt & Mutts Mum (with respect) still struggle to call you that. My name is Jacqueline by the way :) Sorry for the delay in my reply. I’m always so happy to receive your replies and your so kind with your words. Wasn’t that funny that you both were talking about the very thing I mentioned about how we’re brought up and what we teach our children, it’s very important as our children are the future of this world. My other cousins will possibly regret not seeing our cousin but I’m afraid they are all accountable for their own actions and must live with what they decide, I however could not desert a stranger in need, let alone a loved one, but that’s just me. My brother in law is CEO of the volunteers in a big hospital and I was several months ago, sitting with my fiancé’s step daughter who’s grandmother was in a coma during her last days on this earth, I’d met her twice prior which felt a bit strange as I was of course only part of the family because her daughter had passed away but she liked me, could never understand that, bless her, she used to just sit there when I’d met her on the two occasions and each time I caught her eye I would smile and she would smile back, I would talk to her and ask her about the retirement home she was in, was her bed comfortable and was she warm at night, anything to make conversation really, she was a lovely old soul, bit of a long story but the grandmother was actually the mother of the ex partner of the man I’m going to marry. My fiancé’s partner passed from pancreatic cancer and my fiancé and his step daughter, his partners daughter, nursed her at home until the end, as you did your dear father. Anyway, I sat with her until late every night, helped her make her bed up as she stayed each night at the hospital and then settled her in and came home, and then did the same the next day and for 8 days until she passed quietly early one morning. I hope that family tree wasnt too hard to follow....I write as I talk, everything at a million miles per hour. My children always say...mum, have you had raspberry because your hypo...little devils. I tell them, I’m 55 years old, not 5, I’m allowed to drink raspberry, (not that I really have) it just makes them laugh at me :) The point I’m getting to is, sitting there with grandma, I was wondering how many people in such a large hospital were actually laying in a bed possibly clinging onto life and maybe that very night taking their last breath but were alone? This worried me as I felt this should happen to no one, Someone said to me recently...oh well....we come into this world alone and we go out alone but I said, I don’t agree, for the most part we come into this world in a room full of nurses, drs, parents and midwives and nobody should ever go out alone, even to hold a warm hand would be a comfort. I understand some people are not blessed with family always so there are times people are alone, I couldn’t stop thinking about this so have spoken to my brother in law and asked him if there is such a programme or register of someway of knowing if for example...say...Mrs Smith in room 10 has no family but will pass very soon that I can go and sit with that person so they don’t pass alone, so they can feel a warm hand or a touch on their shoulder, anything that will help, he told me there wasn’t but he’s going to look into it as there are such programs for babies in the nursery that need cuddling etc but not for people close to passing away who have nobody to sit with them and simply care about them. My parents are worried I’d be taking on too much as even though I wouldn’t know the person it would still be very distressing to be with a person during their last moments but I honestly feel I could cope with it, well I could try anyway couldn’t I. I must say I’ve never been with anyone actually when they pass, I have seen loved ones afterwards but I’m sure this would be some comfort to a person who would otherwise be alone. Just a thought anyway. Would be after I’ve spent as much time as I can with my cousin as he’s my priority at the moment but in the future it’s something I’m thinkig about. Way off track here but I’ve actually always wanted to work in a funeral home to prepare the loved one for the family to see one last time, my children say...omg mum, why? I say, I fully believe it’s the last really respectful thing you can do for a person is to prepare them for their final goodbye with their family and I would find satisfaction in being able to do this. I guess I’ve always been different but hey, this world takes all sorts. I guess I’m a caring and compassionate sort of person, heart on the sleeve, what you see is what you get type and I truly want to do something that really counts in life. Sorry, I’m raving on a bit but my heart is full of good intentions I guess, just have to make them reality one day if possible. I’m still thinking about what I shall write for my cousin to have read at the wedding, he may still be with us but either way he won’t be there and I want him acknowledged, first and foremost. I’m glad you think it’s a beautiful idea, a couple of friends have said...oh, you will upset everyone! I said, well it will upset me if it’s not done, my cousin is a very important part of my life and I love him dearly and want to show him respect and love always. Thank you also for your respect, you truly are such an amazing person, we don’t even know each other but can show a mutual fondness from our experiences and thank goodness I’m causing you no pain with talking about all this as it’s truly the last thing I would ever want to do, I promise you that. How lovely I was able to make you smile with my comments about bringing a smile to others....job done :) it’s my way and I’m quite a chatter box and talk to many in the shops and I remember my daughter when she was about 10 years old saying to me once...mum, you don’t have to talk to everyone in the shops...I said...I’m not, but do you know sone of these people have spoken to nobody today, they live alone and like it if someone smiles at them or says...hello! Kids hey :) :) Well I’ve chatted enough I feel so thank you for reading this novel. It’s 1am here in Australia and pouring with rain at the moment. Some good news, I found out today I’m going to be a grandmother again, I’ve got my precious little 2 year old granddaughter already who is the apple of my eye, she will be flower girl at the wedding, she’s my son and his wife’s daughter, well they are expecting another so very exciting. My fiancé’s daughter and husband had a little girl 6 weeks ago so that’s two granddaughters so far so maybe a grandson this time, will have to wait and see. I’m thinking of you all everyday and send my love and prayers to you all. Nite nite

RE: Glioblastoma

by mutt2679 on Mon Aug 06, 2018 02:03 PM

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Haha that's funny, your kids sounds like my family. We are always teasing each other. :) That's true about the hospital. We spent quite a bit of time in the ICU with dad right after surgery, it was heart wrenching seeing families with their own loved ones, and even harder to see the ones that didn't seem to have anyone. Makes one person's life seem pretty small in comparassion to everyone else out there. Oh you are so kind for wondering if there is some kind of program to help the people who are close to passing. That would be a hard mission, but wonderful for the people. Maybe I'll ask around at my local hospital here. Definitely a fantastic way to volunteer time. Congratulations on becoming a grandmother again! :) How exciting! 2 year olds are so much fun. Lots of work but a lot of fun. My little brother is getting married this friday, and his soon to be wife has a daughter that's almost 2. They are going to have a table set up with some of my dad's old things, ( A jersey with his name on it he use to wear, pictures, his tie and glasses, etc), that way he's represented at the wedding and honored as well. 

How is your cousin doing? Is he on a liquid diet? I hope things are going well. Sorry this took a few days to get to you, I hadn't had time to respond until today. 

RE: Glioblastoma

by ljayr on Fri Aug 17, 2018 09:28 PM

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Hi mutt2679 and lollylegs,

How are you both doing?  It has been a busy month for me so I haven't been on my computer very much.  Mutt2679, I hope your brothers' wedding went well.  It was a very good touch to have a table set up with your dad's things...he would be so proud of you and the rest of his family.  Lollylegs, what is happening with your cousin?  I see there have not been any messages since Aug. 6th, but it could be that you two are doing private messages.  Just thought I would check in.

RE: Glioblastoma

by Lollylegs on Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:31 AM

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On Aug 17, 2018 9:28 PM ljayr wrote:

Hi mutt2679 and lollylegs,

How are you both doing?  It has been a busy month for me so I haven't been on my computer very much.  Mutt2679, I hope your brothers' wedding went well.  It was a very good touch to have a table set up with your dad's things...he would be so proud of you and the rest of his family.  Lollylegs, what is happening with your cousin?  I see there have not been any messages since Aug. 6th, but it could be that you two are doing private messages.  Just thought I would check in.

Hi to you both, So sorry I’ve not be online, I’ve read messages from you both but was having trouble with my account and couldn’t reply, all sorted now. Sorry for me disappance. How are you both? My dear cousin is still hanging on, he’s in hospice care since 1 week ago. I’ve been to see him twice and thank god he was awake the first time and we held hands and spoke, I haven’t spoken to him for over a month and felt I may never again. I was really happy. He’s very down in the dumps, has deteriorated even more, can’t move any part of his body or head, barely eats or drinks but is still staying with us. His medication is being withdrawn over last week and this coming week. He still knows who we all are and is well aware of what going on, no seizures to date, thank god and the only pain he has is when they turn him as his joints are very stiff. Next week I’m staying a night with him at the hospice and he was happy about that. As he’s always been a “cheeky chap” with his comments to me our whole lives, I asked him if he’d like me to come for a sleepover, he said in a weak voice...wonderful! I told him I’d booked the honeymoon suite...He got a little smile on his face...bless him. Wow, I saw him smile again, another thing I thought I’d never see. Mutt, I hope your brothers wedding was lovely, how was the family coping being so close to your dear dad passing? My wedding is in 4 weeks and I’m not sure how my family will all cope with my cousin so sick or even left us by then. I’m totally consumed with thoughts of him and days are hard, let alone wedding plans....just seems so wrong. Thank you both for your messages, they mean the world to me. Now I can reply to messages again I will keep in touch. You both have beautiful hearts. Xx
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