Prostrate Cancer

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Prostrate Cancer

by Jaybird on Thu Sep 29, 2005 12:00 AM

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I am 75 diagnosed with prostrate cancer in May 2004. Had radical surgery in June 2005. PSA then dropped to 1.7 then rose to 2.96 in 4 months so I had 37 sessions of radiation. PSA then dropped to .05 in June and it was checked again this week and has risen to 6. The doctor is suggesting hormone therapy. He mentioned surgery or chemical therapy. I would like to have some input on someone that has had surgery. I have not decided what to do or if I should look to a different type of treatment. I appreciate your input.

Treatment Options

by Patrick1 on Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:00 AM

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I am age 65 and had a prostatectomy 4 years ago. PSA was 7 before the surgery and .4 after surgery. Gleason score was very bad: 9/10, stage was pT3c with some cancer in seminal vesicles and 1 lymph node. After I went on hormone therapy (every 3 months Lupron), my PSA dropped to undetectable and has stayed there. For most people the HT works, at least for 6 months to much longer, perhaps years. It depends a lot on whether your PC cells are hormone-sensitive or hormone-refractory (insensitive to HT). There are side effects, especially hot flashes(ranging from mild to severe), impotence, perhaps fatigue, bone loss due to calcium depletion, etc. But for me it has been more than worth all that. Also certain vitamins, minerals, and nutrients may be helpful. I take calcium, lycopene, selenium, boron, hi-potency multivitamins, green tea, and lots of soy products. Let me know if you have any questions about all of this. And best of luck to you. Pat K.

Prostrate Cancer

by Jaybird on Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:00 AM

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Thanks Patrick 1 for the message. Could you or someone tell me the differance in hormone sensitive or hormone-refractory? Is there any test that could tell you if the PC was sensitive to one or the other? Would surgery be more effective to stop the hormones than the injections? Jaybird

Hormone Sensitive vs Hormone Refractory

by Patrick1 on Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:00 AM

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Dear Jaybird, Some PC cells are stimulated to grow by testosterone. These are called "hormone-sensitive", and they can be controlled or destroyed by hormone therapy (HT) such as Lupron or Casodex, which greatly reduces your testosterone level. E.g., my testosterone level went from a probable 300 or so to about 16. Other PC cells are not stimulated by testosterone and are called "hormone-insensitive" or "hormone-refractory". HT is not effective against these cells. Usually if HT or orchiectomy(?)(surgical removal of the testicles) does not reduce the PSA the PC is thought to be more hormone-insensitive than hormone-sensitive. To my knowledge, orchiectomy is not significantly more effective at reducing testosterone than is HT. It is more a matter of preference. The side effects should be about the same, except that impotence would be permament with the orchiectomy. On the other hand you don't have to go in regularly for the shots and the cost might be less in the long run with orchiectomy, especially relevant if you don't have insurance. I don't know if there is a test to distinguish one cell type from the other. Usually one starts the HT and sees if the PSA declines significantly and that is a test of sorts. Let me know if I can help you with any other questions and I will do my best. Of course your urologist should know all of this, and feel free to quiz him thoroughly. Good luck to you. Pat K

Hormone Therapy

by Jmw0913 on Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:00 AM

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My Father at age 73 was diagnosed with prostate cancer in 1995 with PSA levels about 70 (I believe they were 76) - He had a wide variety of other medicial issues - so surgery or radiation was ruled out by the Uralogist - and he was put on hormone therapy - with the thought process "that something else will get you first". Unfortunately it was the prostate cancer that "got him" on June 3, 2005. However, hormone therapy worked for him quite well for numerous years. From 1995-2001 - his PSA level stayed well below 4.0 which is a HUGE difference from the start of 76. He was on Casodex and Proscar at the time in 2001 when the levels increased to 19. At that point he started 4 month Lupron injections which again took the PSA level below 4.0 til 2003 - when they began to increase - to 200+ and then jumped in October 2004 to 890 - then to 1600 then to 2700 then to 3725 in January (when they stopped testing). He was given a week to live in November 2004 and lived until June 2005. His cancer no longer responded to hormones - therefore they called it hormone refractory - cause it just didn't work anymore. I guess my point is - my Father lived for 10 years on hormone therapy alone. And PSA tests were not regular at the Doctors - so he already had extremely high PSA levels in 1995 when diagnosed. Everyone is different - and everyone's body responds differently to treatment. A friend of his who is still living at age 85 has been on hormones for 9 years with PSA's at 2.0. I am personally ALL for hormone therapy - as well as the operation and radition. I wonder if things would have been different for my Father if they were more aggresive in the beginning - instead of saying "something else will get your first" -but 10 years with starting levels at 76 really isn't all that bad if you think about it. Good luck to you :) Janet

Look Into This!

by Kingdom on Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:00 AM

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Alternative Care

by Jammor on Mon Oct 31, 2005 12:00 AM

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I would like to give you the name and phone number of someone who is a prostrate cancer survivor. He has been taking Original Limu and has had great results. Write me and I will send his phone number so you can call and discuss this with him. --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---

9 Year Survival

by Jimni on Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:00 AM

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Hello. my husband was diognosed with PC a little over 9 years ago. His PSA was over 300 when first found. Biopsy showed it had spread outside the prostate and they started hormone therapy right away.. He had Lupron injections every 3 months and PSA levels before every visit. His levels dropped very fast and with-in the year was down to 0.2. His doctor 2 years ago changed his injections to every 4 months beings he was doing so well. His doctor in the beginning told him he could get his level down but it was the type of cancer that would return and when it did it would be very aggressive and fast growing... But also told him there was an average of 18 months longivity with this.. That was over 9 years ago.. until 8 months ago.. His PSA started up and was at 7.2 and 1 week ago it had gotten to 17. Now his doctor is doing scans next Monday.. He told us not to jump to conclusions until the tests was done.. I am so scared and am not sure of what is next. I can not imagine how my husband must be feeling inside.. He does not say much about it. He is very active and been blessed with this 9 years but "WE" want more. I believe God healed him the first time along with the doctors but this time I am not sure.. Before after the first couple weeks of letting the information sink in we got ourselves together and have enjoyed life! He is only 65 and I am 52 years old. As you already know there was side effects with this Lupron but we became closer in so many ways. As I understand your father lived 10 years and mostly with hormone therapy. I hope it was a good 10 years for him and the family. Surgery was ruled out with my husband also. Can you tell me how long your father went after his PSA went so high? Had the cancer gotten to other parts of his body? Did they give you any answers? What would have been tried differently if you had known at the time? I am so scared of what is to come... I would appreciate any information you could give me....

ht For Prostrate Cancer Recurrance

by Jaguar on Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:00 AM

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I have had surgery, 37 treatments of Radiation and now My PSA continues to rise. I was on Lupron for 18 months. Basically from discovery to 6 mopnths after radiation completation. PSA was .01 after radiation. But as stated before it is now going up --current .58 (that is in 3years) Suggested treatment is Lupron with Casadex. Anyone beeen there and done that?

RE: Alternative Care

by Annie_Pot on Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:00 AM

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On 10/31/2005 Jammor wrote:

I would like to give you the name and phone number of someone who is a prostrate cancer survivor. He has been taking Original Limu and has had great results. Write me and I will send his phone number so you can call and discuss this with him. --- Message edited by CancerCompass staff: for personal protection, email address removed. Please review CancerCompass Member Guidelines at http://www.cancercompass.com/common/guidelines.html ---
Could you please out line in an e-mail your PSA and your results of your treatment and what you used and how you used it.  My husband had brachy theraphy 4 1/2 years ago and now his PSA is 8.9.  He has had biopsies and scans and they cannot find the cancer any where, they figure it must be in the seminal vessel even though it is not showing there.  His PSA has come down a point since this testing was done.  They would like him to start hormone theraphy in the New Year.  Any help would be appreciated.

 

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