Treatment with SPDT

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RE: Treatment with SPDT

by Gary001 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:56 AM

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We were in Xi'an in December 2011 and spent 3 weeks looking at their facilities and doing 3 rounds of SPDT. The Xi'an facility is a sister hospital to the Guangzhou facility and basically offers identical treatments - SPDT, Gene therapy, ozone, HIFU etc..

Our frank opinion? - look elsewhere - or at the very least be cautious about your expectations and the money you will have to spend.

More Detail: We would serious question the economic cost of the SPDT treatment. It costs RMB90,000 (=about US$15,000 at current exchange rates) for each of 2 rounds of SPDT. Each round consists of two days of putting 2 x 50ml of sensitiser via drops under the tongue, followed by 3 days of PDT and SDT treatment. The PDT treatment is 20 minutes under an LED bed (similar to a tanning salon). The SDT is 2 x 20 minutes in a water bath with sonic receptors on the bottom and moving similar receptors on the top. These machines would be very easy to reproduce or at least replicate in some fashion at much less than the cost of one treatment. That leaves the proprietary chlorophyll sensitiser which it would appear to be the expensive bit.

Keep in mind that hospital treatment is China is ridiculously cheap. A senior nurse in China would receive about US$500 per month in wages. All of the treatments that are comparable to western hospitals (such as gene tests, dendritic cell therapy) are about 1/3rdto 1/5thof the price you would pay elsewhere.  But SPDT is different and in our mind way overpriced for what it is. We surmised (but can in no way confirm) that someone is making a lot of money from having a monopoly on that sensitiser.

You might say that that is fine – if it worked. We saw no evidence of any improvements caused by SPDT alone. We investigated most of the previous patients (about 6 in total) and we could not find one that was still alive. The Chinese practice serious over servicing. They will recommend a combination of all of their treatments all to be done concurrently. Sounds good but even if it did offer improvement, there is no way to know which one is effective. There seems to be no follow up to the treatment or any scientific study of results.

We personally witnessed a patient pay in excess of A$115,000 for treatments only to be told by their Australian oncologist when they arrived home that there was no improvement – and in fact the cancer had regressed. And of course there is no money back guarantee.

Having said all of that, I still feel that there is an opportunity to get some scientifically verifiable treatments in China without the obvious regulatory restrictions of the western world.

I am sure that we will get people objecting to our view but I think it only fair to share our unbiased experience and opinion. We do this to try and moderate some of the expectations that some may have of the options in China.

  

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by Adams on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:59 PM

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As far as I know from my experience with a family member, such treatment as virotherapy has a similar effect on the patient as the SPDT - this therapy uses a natural virus, which destroys malignant cells but doesnt touch normal cells. As I understand, it is also significantly improving the immune system of the patient thus letting him/her to respond to other treatments better. It is said to become popular in Europe very quickly. My relative combined it with chemo and the results were rather surprising.

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by Tebbie on Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:06 PM

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On Jan 09, 2012 10:56 AM Gary001 wrote:

We were in Xi'an in December 2011 and spent 3 weeks looking at their facilities and doing 3 rounds of SPDT. The Xi'an facility is a sister hospital to the Guangzhou facility and basically offers identical treatments - SPDT, Gene therapy, ozone, HIFU etc..

Our frank opinion? - look elsewhere - or at the very least be cautious about your expectations and the money you will have to spend.

More Detail: We would serious question the economic cost of the SPDT treatment. It costs RMB90,000 (=about US$15,000 at current exchange rates) for each of 2 rounds of SPDT. Each round consists of two days of putting 2 x 50ml of sensitiser via drops under the tongue, followed by 3 days of PDT and SDT treatment. The PDT treatment is 20 minutes under an LED bed (similar to a tanning salon). The SDT is 2 x 20 minutes in a water bath with sonic receptors on the bottom and moving similar receptors on the top. These machines would be very easy to reproduce or at least replicate in some fashion at much less than the cost of one treatment. That leaves the proprietary chlorophyll sensitiser which it would appear to be the expensive bit.

Keep in mind that hospital treatment is China is ridiculously cheap. A senior nurse in China would receive about US$500 per month in wages. All of the treatments that are comparable to western hospitals (such as gene tests, dendritic cell therapy) are about 1/3rdto 1/5thof the price you would pay elsewhere.  But SPDT is different and in our mind way overpriced for what it is. We surmised (but can in no way confirm) that someone is making a lot of money from having a monopoly on that sensitiser.

You might say that that is fine – if it worked. We saw no evidence of any improvements caused by SPDT alone. We investigated most of the previous patients (about 6 in total) and we could not find one that was still alive. The Chinese practice serious over servicing. They will recommend a combination of all of their treatments all to be done concurrently. Sounds good but even if it did offer improvement, there is no way to know which one is effective. There seems to be no follow up to the treatment or any scientific study of results.

We personally witnessed a patient pay in excess of A$115,000 for treatments only to be told by their Australian oncologist when they arrived home that there was no improvement – and in fact the cancer had regressed. And of course there is no money back guarantee.

Having said all of that, I still feel that there is an opportunity to get some scientifically verifiable treatments in China without the obvious regulatory restrictions of the western world.

I am sure that we will get people objecting to our view but I think it only fair to share our unbiased experience and opinion. We do this to try and moderate some of the expectations that some may have of the options in China.

  

PDT was used on skin cancer over 100 years ago and its development for deeper light penetration to wear down cancers further inside has been an act of genius. 

I had early prostate cancer. After getting blood poisoning from the biopsy and then an operation which (probably due to the scarring) last 6 hours instead of 2 and left me hacked around, the cancer started to come back.  So the experts said "do radiotherapy now", including a relative who works at PeterMac in Melbourne. 

Well, twice bitten, thrice shy.  So I did some research and digging around (yes there is a lot of rubbish on the internet but some is not) and came across the Opal Clinic in Melbourne.  After going and checking them out and looking at 30 of their prostate cancer case studies I went there and had photodynamic therapy there and sonondynamic therapy (SPDT) and took their Propanc enzyme therapy afterwards. 

It worked brilliantly with zero side effects.  When I went back to my radio-oncologist (whose advice I had declined to take) he said "This is better than winning the Melbourne Cup - they should publish these results".  But, curiously, no further interest. 

My considered view is that cancer treatment is as primitive as the strategies of WW I generals. Doctors, the drug companies, governments and insurers, backed by or hostage to a costly patent system, are throwing billions at non-solutions - as well as patients' lives.  There are huge vested interests and massive inertia in all this.  What doctor wants to go out a limb and get sued?

Anyway, thank God for the Opal Clinic which sadly had to close for want of patronage (still on net) and I am glad I was not a casualty in this medical Verdun.  The money I spent avoiding the Australian health system on the cancer front was the best investment I have ever made.

 

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by triciaspence on Thu Mar 29, 2012 06:32 AM

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On Jan 09, 2012 10:56 a.m. Gary001 wrote:

We were in Xi'an in December 2011 and spent 3 weeks looking at their facilities and doing 3 rounds of SPDT. The Xi'an facility is a sister hospital to the Guangzhou facility and basically offers identical treatments - SPDT, Gene therapy, ozone, HIFU etc..

Our frank opinion? - look elsewhere - or at the very least be cautious about your expectations and the money you will have to spend.

More Detail: We would serious question the economic cost of the SPDT treatment. It costs RMB90,000 (=about US$15,000 at current exchange rates) for each of 2 rounds of SPDT. Each round consists of two days of putting 2 x 50ml of sensitiser via drops under the tongue, followed by 3 days of PDT and SDT treatment. The PDT treatment is 20 minutes under an LED bed (similar to a tanning salon). The SDT is 2 x 20 minutes in a water bath with sonic receptors on the bottom and moving similar receptors on the top. These machines would be very easy to reproduce or at least replicate in some fashion at much less than the cost of one treatment. That leaves the proprietary chlorophyll sensitiser which it would appear to be the expensive bit.

Keep in mind that hospital treatment is China is ridiculously cheap. A senior nurse in China would receive about US$500 per month in wages. All of the treatments that are comparable to western hospitals (such as gene tests, dendritic cell therapy) are about 1/3rdto 1/5thof the price you would pay elsewhere.  But SPDT is different and in our mind way overpriced for what it is. We surmised (but can in no way confirm) that someone is making a lot of money from having a monopoly on that sensitiser.

You might say that that is fine – if it worked. We saw no evidence of any improvements caused by SPDT alone. We investigated most of the previous patients (about 6 in total) and we could not find one that was still alive. The Chinese practice serious over servicing. They will recommend a combination of all of their treatments all to be done concurrently. Sounds good but even if it did offer improvement, there is no way to know which one is effective. There seems to be no follow up to the treatment or any scientific study of results.

We personally witnessed a patient pay in excess of A$115,000 for treatments only to be told by their Australian oncologist when they arrived home that there was no improvement – and in fact the cancer had regressed. And of course there is no money back guarantee.

Having said all of that, I still feel that there is an opportunity to get some scientifically verifiable treatments in China without the obvious regulatory restrictions of the western world.

I am sure that we will get people objecting to our view but I think it only fair to share our unbiased experience and opinion. We do this to try and moderate some of the expectations that some may have of the options in China.

  

Everyone’s experiences are different. And I encourage people seeking treatment to do their research. For those that are out there researching advanced cancer treatment options, I would encourage you to go to my web site www.triciaspence.com . I am stage IV breast cancer and have had tremendous results following Dr. Wang’s protocol in China which includes SPDT, low dose chemo, ozone therapy, DC-CIK (Dendritic Cell Cytokine Induced Killer) Immunotherapy. Stage IV is a challenge for anyone, especially avoiding recurrence, and I know I am in the right place and receiving treatment that is well advanced to most areas of the world. This is my experience alone, which is all I can speak to. In health and peace. Tricia Spence

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RE: Treatment with SPDT

by rjcrossley on Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:48 AM

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On Feb 04, 2009 12:00 AM Shushi wrote:

 

On 2/3/2009 jcr65566 wrote:

 

On 2/3/2009 Shushi wrote:

Has anyone been treated with Sonophoto Dynamic Therapy?  If so has it worked well?  My husband has prostate cancer Stage 4 and we are thinking of going to hope4cancer to do this therapy.

Thank you Ray.  We are going to Mexico in a week to have this done.  I will let you know how it turns out.

Sharron 

 

I’ve was only just reading about it.

The Therapy works with light or sound some cancer it works better with sound

 It called Photodynamic Therapy. It very new and very effective. I heard it  wont do harm to the body like chemo dos at the moment I think  it only done in Mexico not quite sure if it done any were else

How it works if I can remember is A sensitizer is place under the tongue that is selectively absorbed by the body but it is absorbed more by the  cancer cells, and is rapidly cleared from healthy cells. On high stage cancer an IV is use to deliver more of the Sensitizer

 After that a  source of energy (light or sound) is introduce  that can activate the sensitizer. Then the oxygen in the cancer cell  reacts with the activated sensitizer to form free radicals in the cancer cells it over loads the cancer cell and kills them I know it very effective

Cheers Ray

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 Sorry some reasion my reply post to you was never posted my falt I should have checked it 

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by Tebbie on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:10 AM

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I just got my latest tests for prostate cancer - lowest ever, some 5 years post failed surgery followed up with SPDT as PSA count started rising again.  Completely gone, thanks to SPDT from Opal Clinic www.opalclinic.com.au  

Doug Mitchell Ph D in Melbourne (former Chancellor of Swinburne) who founded it should be a port of call for anyone wanting to find out about cellular cancer treatments such as SPDT or enzyme therepies.  Cancer is a problem of weeds in the cell garden, if one wants an analogy.  

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RE: Treatment with SPDT

by rjcrossley on Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:33 PM

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On Apr 26, 2012 11:10 AM Tebbie wrote:

I just got my latest tests for prostate cancer - lowest ever, some 5 years post failed surgery followed up with SPDT as PSA count started rising again.  Completely gone, thanks to SPDT from Opal Clinic www.opalclinic.com.au "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.opalclinic.com.au " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.opalclinic.com.au  

Doug Mitchell Ph D in Melbourne (former Chancellor of Swinburne) who founded it should be a port of call for anyone wanting to find out about cellular cancer treatments such as SPDT or enzyme therepies.  Cancer is a problem of weeds in the cell garden, if one wants an analogy.  

Its good news Tebbie and I agree But I still feel the only thing that can truly beat cancer is our own immune system not these awfull one hit wonders

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by ankita2192 on Wed Sep 07, 2016 09:27 AM

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On Feb 03, 2009 12:00 AM Shushi wrote:

Has anyone been treated with Sonophoto Dynamic Therapy?  If so has it worked well?  My husband has prostate cancer Stage 4 and we are thinking of going to hope4cancer to do this therapy.

Hello shushi .. my uncle is suffering from liomyosarcoma stage 4 .. we are considering to go for spdt in hope 4 cancer. i want to know the experience you had there. There is mix review on internet i dont know who to trust. please help asap .He is in  icu right now

RE: Treatment with SPDT

by tsvieps on Sun Sep 30, 2018 07:19 AM

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On Mar 29, 2012 6:32 AM triciaspence wrote:

On Jan 09, 2012 10:56 a.m. Gary001 wrote:

We were in Xi'an in December 2011 and spent 3 weeks looking at their facilities and doing 3 rounds of SPDT. The Xi'an facility is a sister hospital to the Guangzhou facility and basically offers identical treatments - SPDT, Gene therapy, ozone, HIFU etc..

Our frank opinion? - look elsewhere - or at the very least be cautious about your expectations and the money you will have to spend.

More Detail: We would serious question the economic cost of the SPDT treatment. It costs RMB90,000 (=about US$15,000 at current exchange rates) for each of 2 rounds of SPDT. Each round consists of two days of putting 2 x 50ml of sensitiser via drops under the tongue, followed by 3 days of PDT and SDT treatment. The PDT treatment is 20 minutes under an LED bed (similar to a tanning salon). The SDT is 2 x 20 minutes in a water bath with sonic receptors on the bottom and moving similar receptors on the top. These machines would be very easy to reproduce or at least replicate in some fashion at much less than the cost of one treatment. That leaves the proprietary chlorophyll sensitiser which it would appear to be the expensive bit.

Keep in mind that hospital treatment is China is ridiculously cheap. A senior nurse in China would receive about US$500 per month in wages. All of the treatments that are comparable to western hospitals (such as gene tests, dendritic cell therapy) are about 1/3rdto 1/5thof the price you would pay elsewhere.  But SPDT is different and in our mind way overpriced for what it is. We surmised (but can in no way confirm) that someone is making a lot of money from having a monopoly on that sensitiser.

You might say that that is fine – if it worked. We saw no evidence of any improvements caused by SPDT alone. We investigated most of the previous patients (about 6 in total) and we could not find one that was still alive. The Chinese practice serious over servicing. They will recommend a combination of all of their treatments all to be done concurrently. Sounds good but even if it did offer improvement, there is no way to know which one is effective. There seems to be no follow up to the treatment or any scientific study of results.

We personally witnessed a patient pay in excess of A$115,000 for treatments only to be told by their Australian oncologist when they arrived home that there was no improvement – and in fact the cancer had regressed. And of course there is no money back guarantee.

Having said all of that, I still feel that there is an opportunity to get some scientifically verifiable treatments in China without the obvious regulatory restrictions of the western world.

I am sure that we will get people objecting to our view but I think it only fair to share our unbiased experience and opinion. We do this to try and moderate some of the expectations that some may have of the options in China.

  

Everyone’s experiences are different. And I encourage people seeking treatment to do their research. For those that are out there researching advanced cancer treatment options, I would encourage you to go to my web site www.triciaspence.com "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.triciaspence.com " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.triciaspence.com . I am stage IV breast cancer and have had tremendous results following Dr. Wang’s protocol in China which includes SPDT, low dose chemo, ozone therapy, DC-CIK (Dendritic Cell Cytokine Induced Killer) Immunotherapy. Stage IV is a challenge for anyone, especially avoiding recurrence, and I know I am in the right place and receiving treatment that is well advanced to most areas of the world. This is my experience alone, which is all I can speak to. In health and peace. Tricia Spence

I corresponded via email with Tricia Spence some years ago after learning about her on Dr. Ralph Moss's Blog. He runs the Cancer Decision website, a for profit business that does not give medical advice, but does help people figure where to go for treatments. Such advice is based on their condition and orientation. He helped lead me to an Integrative Medicine expert in cancer, who is also highly respected by my Compass Oncology doctor.

I survived much longer than normal from a then always fatal leukemia. I lived long enough for a well targeted new drug to be approved (Ibrutinib) that, when added to my unique to me protocol, has reversed my tumor by about 97%, so far.

I communicated with Dr. Wang 6 years ago. He did liked what I was already doing, combining Chinese Traditional medicine with off label Western drugs and did not think I should come to his clinic.

Tricia Spence passed about two years after she wrote this testimony about her experience with SPDT and Dr. Wang's clinic. I assume she passed from complications resulting from her metastasized BC. But she did likely live much longer than she would have lived otherwise. She had already had damaging chemo in New Zealand and had run out of hope there before going to China. She was originally from Texas and had been a star volley ball player at Rice U.

Our daughter recently was diagnosed with BC and in the last couple weeks I renewed my correspondence with the Renkang facility via a Dr. Lucy Li. 

Ms. Spence testimony remains on their website. I asked Dr. Li for a recent report on their results treating BC. I received a report on 12 patients; likely Ms. Spence is one of these. All were stage IV, had received previous treatment, were in poor condition and only came when there seemed no hope elsewhere. Most, if not all, were from foreign countries.

The median lifespan was about 2.5 years with at least one lasting over 5 years. Sady, this is far from as dramatic as my own turn around with Ibrutinib and my Integrative Medicine protocol. The BC patients were not part of a controlled trial and indeed I think a 2 arm test actually would have not been ethical.

I was hoping to learn that most were still alive, just as I am alive against my original long odds. Someone else would need to scan the literature to learn what the normal outlook would have been for such patients.

But I do believe their lives were significantly extended beyond a normal median lifespan, given the starting conditions. And the treatments did not seem to cause significant adverse side effects as does intensive chemo. The treatments at Renkang did include low dose chemo, along with Chinese Medicine and SPDT.

So far, according to Dr. Li, they do NOT have a history with BC patients who are not yet stage IV and have not had other harsh therapies.

Our daughter is not stage IV and we are not presenty thinking she should go to Renkang. Instead we are looking for an oncologist in the Boulder, CO, area who has respect for Integrative Medicine and is willing to work with my Herbalist, as my own oncologist has for me. I am in Portland, OR.

Today is 30Sep2018. If someone reads this reply soon and knows of such an oncologist near Boulder, I would appreciate a prompt reply.

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