The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

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The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by andy73 on Sun Jan 02, 2011 08:01 PM

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'The China Study', a 27 year study funded by NIH (National Institutes of Health), found that consuming animal protein very significantly feeds and promotes cancer cell/tumor growth. The biggest promotor of cancer growth they found was casein, the protein in milk and dairy.

This was a joint study by our government, Oxford University, and the Chinese government. Dr Colin Campbell of Cornell University headed the study and wrote the book.

Why didn't we hear more about this? As Dr Campbell tells in the book, the meat and dairy industries have tons of money and clout in Washington. Dr Campbell also grew up a dairy farmer and didn't expect to find what they found.

Dr Campbell talks about their findings in video clips on Youtube and Google videos, if you can't read the book 

 

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Wed Jan 05, 2011 05:42 AM

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. The information you cite did not come from the China Study. It represents suppositions and conclusions which T. Colin Campbell assigned to the China Study in his book of the same name. Here's a good article on Campbell's book: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html If I remember correctly, the study which Campbell uses to blame meat came from a collection of biased small scale studies in maybe the Phillippines or thereabouts. Campbell's studies of "animal protein" actually subjected participants to cow's milk. He only ascribed the bad results to meat, because it also contains "animal protein". In fact milk casein bears very little resemblance to the proteins in meat. Casein is a complex lectin, a food-based glycoprotein. In susceptible people, partially digested casein can attack organs, nerves and other tissue. Meat protein does not. Casein is digested by special deamidation enzymes in the gut. Casein digestion can be cut short by digestive immune processes. Meat protein is digested by bile acid, a simple, fast process. If you want to read a study on something the China Study actually showed, go to the source, Denise Minger: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-h Wheat ingestion raised the incidence, including mortality, of cardiovascular disease by almost half. Meat consumption negatively correlated with cardiovascular disease. ..

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Wed Jan 05, 2011 07:59 AM

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Okay, my bad. As Minger says, the China Study reveals that people who eat wheat increase their chances of getting cardiovascular disease by 67%, not by "almost half". In addition, if you read Minger's statistical analysis closely, you'll find another telling set of statistics. Wheat makes the small intestine wall permeable by eliciting a protein called zonulin. In total, casein has a neutral association with cardiovascular disease. But "decoupled" from wheat, casein has a negative 7% association with cardiovascular disease. In other words, people who drink milk, but don't eat wheat, are less likely to contract cardiovascular disease than the general population. This points to wheat as a vehicle which delivers harmful, partially digested casein peptides into the bloodstream. If you want to know what's going on with diet and cancer, read this: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/7/1/7 Cancer is a metabolic disease. The genetic mutations are effects. I can't wait until Denise Minger coaxes the real cancer and diet correlations out of the China Study.

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by andy73 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:55 AM

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One just needs to read the book. Dr Campbell explains in simple terms that casein and all animal protein significantly promote and accelerate the growth of cancer

Dr Campbell is regarded in many circles as 'The Expert' on nutrition, worldwide.  He's been an expert and studying the subject for 40+ years

That's pretty much all I need to know, if I have cancer. I'm cutting out all animal protein

 

 

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Wed Jan 05, 2011 03:45 PM

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"Dr Campbell is regarded in many circles as 'The Expert' on nutrition, worldwide. He's been an expert and studying the subject for 40+ years." Would a legitimate scientist name his book The China Study, but spend the vast majority of his book ignoring the real China Study? ......drawing his conclusions simply from his own biases? ......assigning those conclusion to a study which did not produce them? Can it even sound remotely sane that meat, a food which humans have eaten for millions of years of natural selection, would suddenly be killing us at alarming rates? Here's what Dr.Michae l Eades has to say about Campbell's book: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cancer/the-china-study-vs ......and Anthony Colpo: http://anthonycolpo.com/?p=129 ......and Chris Masterjohn: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html .....here Denise Minger uses the real China Study statistics to refute virtually all of the conclusions which Campbell draws in his book: http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fal .......T. Colin Campbell is a vegan whackjob. The motives and affiliations of someone who continues to tout Campbell's assertions after being presented with the facts fall immediately under suspicion.

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Wed Jan 05, 2011 06:37 PM

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http://www.thecancerblog.org/blogs/permalinks/11-2009/warbur Average readers won't understand the technical aspects of this cancer pathway research. The bottom line is, cancer becomes cancer and sustains itself only by firmenting sugar ......irrefutable. Normal cells do not. Otto Warbugh won a Nobel Prize for this discovery in 1931. The linked researchers and other researchers recently proved the precise mechanism inside of cells which proves this pathway. Meat and fat ingestion does not supply this pathway. Sugar and "carb" protein ingestion does.

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by andy73 on Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:58 PM

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(I've never been a vegetarian, by the way. Steak is a favorite)

Would recommend you research more before typing anything else. People would like factual information. Your argument is very weak, at best. Denise Menger, she is an authority and has credentials regarding what? She's a layperson

'Can it even sound remotely sane that meat, a food which humans have eaten for millions of years of natural selection, would suddenly be killing us at alarming rates?'

You lost all credibility, in my eyes, with this statement. I thought this was true also, until researching the subject. In reality, the majority of us have not been meat eaters for millions of years. Like it or not, humans have been mainly plant and starch eaters. In fact, the majority of the world's population, TODAY, eats mainly a plant and starch based diet. Cancer is a rare disease in 3rd world countries, and was a very rare disease in countries like China, (until recently), due to their very low consumption of meat

It wasn't until recently, the last couple hundred years, that the common man was able to afford to eat meat. One only needs to look at the incidence of heart disease to see the truth in this. Heart disease was very rare up until the late 1800's, early 1900's, when meat became affordable and most Americans switched from mainly plant and starch based to SAD (Standard American Diet), as it is today.    

On a side note. Dr Colin Campbell is a salt of the earth type person with impeccable credentials. Professor Emeritus at Cornelll University, regarded as the top research institution in Nutrition. To call him a 'whackjob' only reflects poorly on you. He actually grew up a Dairy Farmer and started out doing his research on how to get cows to produce more milk. Working in 3rd world countries, such as the Phillippines, he was trying to get MORE animal protein into the starving children. It was only after he saw the negative health consequences of this,  that he decided to undertake the comprehensive studies he did

The National Institutes of Health funded his many years of studies. Disregard his findings at your own risk, in my opinion

Wish more doctors were as enlightened and took to following what's right, like this doctor. Thomas Lodi, MD-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKH_bCa_hok&feature=relat

 

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Thu Jan 06, 2011 01:39 AM

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This argument reminds me of the "global warming" credentials argument. Mann, Jones, et al, the global warming proponents at the vaunted East Anglia University CRU group developed a global warming "hockey stick" from temperature records. The CRU group refused to share their data, but McIntyre and McKitrick reverse engineered the only available data. Their analysis showed that there was no global warming, that Mann, Jones, et al had "massaged" the numbers. Mann and Jones responded that McIntyre and McKitrick couldn't be correct because they lacked the proper credentials. Later an East Anglia Email dump revealed that the CRU global warming group had intentionally falsified and hid temperature data. McIntyre and McKitrick were shown correct, and the credentialed CRU group were shown to be, well make up your own words. You said that Campbell's book shows that meat causes cancer. I said that it shows no such thing. I provided links from several sources. You answered that the most damaging of those sources can't be correct because its author lacks Campbell's credentials. You did not, and cannot answer the charges. Campbell's book does not show that meat causes cancer. Neither does it represent anything resembling the real NIH-commissioned China Study. Your "credentials" argument can stand on its own merit. Denise Minger actually performed statistical analyses of the REAL China Study. Her analysis is available at my links. Your vaunted Campbell performed no such analysis. He wrote a book about other information, and as my links show, lied about it. If that constitutes "credentials", then I'll take the people without credentials, thank you. In 1931 Otto Warburg won a Nobel Prize for his discovery that cancer can only become cancer by fermenting sugar, a stipulation which does not apply to normal cells. Recently independent studies have identified dimeric PKM2 the precise mechanism which defines this pathway inside of cells. Ingested sugars and "carb" proteins are capable of feeding this pathway. Meat is not. http://cancervisa.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/enzyme-found-by-h

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by andy73 on Thu Jan 06, 2011 01:49 AM

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I have an acquaintance with pancreatic cancer. His wife has breast cancer. Both in their early 40's. Diagnosed within 3 months of each other. The wife's brother is a butcher and owns a meat market. This couple has eaten red meat  from the market several times a week since they've been married, 20+ yrs. Coincidence they both have cancer and will likely not see  2012, and see their 2 young children grow up? 

Pretty strong coincidence

It mentions Pancreatic C in your profile. Wish you the best, if that is the case

RE: The China Study - Meat and Dairy for C patients ?

by veggienft on Thu Jan 06, 2011 03:28 AM

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You must be thinking of some other poster with pancreatic cancer. I'm here because I was a care giver to a relative with lung cancer. Sadly he died of cancer cachexia, the disease which underlies all cancer. He was a major sugar hound. Unfortunately I was not a decision maker. The decision makers did not listen. As I said earlier, the sugar and lectin pathway leads through immune processes. For a compliant low-carb diet to be effective it doesn't just have to incorporate animal fat and protein, it must avoid ALL sweets and harmful lectins.
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