High dose vitamin c

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High dose vitamin c

by crdup on Wed Mar 02, 2011 12:52 AM

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Any successes with high dose vitamin c?  What weekly doses?  Any other supplements used?  What kind of time frame are we looking for the healing process?

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by Bohmerm on Wed Mar 02, 2011 01:04 AM

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The level of vitamin c you would need to fight cancer must be done intraveniously.  

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by andy73 on Wed Mar 02, 2011 07:49 AM

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Yeah, they've found that oral high dose Vit C doesn't help very much. Needs to be IV, 50-100 grams at a time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFiT66QjEFI

 

 

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by dalt1 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 01:22 AM

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I disagree with this statement. Whilst IV is a far better method and the fact that only 19-20% taken orally hits the blood stream, don't disillusion people from taken Vitamin C powder orally to correct serious diseases.

Klenner stated that 25 - 35 grams per day will control myeloid leukaemia and gives examples of cures. Abram Hoffer MD has amazing results with oral vitamin c combined with selenium and niacin (B3). I used Hoffer's protocol to rid myself of the worst of the worst leukaemia's - myelofibrosis. This is 100% fatal (except in my case).

I took 60grams per day of vitamin c and 5ml per day of selenium (sodium selenite) which is an amazing mineral. Do your research on Hoffer and Klenner. You will be amazed at the information available and the well documented medical results from these guys (non anecdotal). I might add that Vitamin C purchased in a bottle with binders, fillers and sugars is not what I am referring to. Only pharmaceutical grade vitamin c powder (100%) is what Klenner and Hoffa used (they were also advocates of IV Vitamin C). Sodium Selenite should also preferably be taken in its pure form. There is an article on Selenium on the web currently where the FDA (Yes this distasteful organization) got their ass whooped in court recently regarding selenium. Manufacturers can now state that selenium has cancer curing properties.

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by dalt1 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 01:30 AM

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Depends on the complaint. Leukaemia is four weeks. Google Dr Abram Hoffer MD Story. Amazing stuff. Also Google Frederick Klenner clinical guide to the use of Vitamin C. This will give you everything you need to know. I also have all these in PDF form along with selenium, etc., if you contact me via private messaging.

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by Georgenone on Thu Mar 03, 2011 04:03 AM

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The statements both for and against high dose C, is at best food for thought. For every article that pouts the benefit there is another refute it.

 Its effect on cancer has been controversial, beginning with a heavily criticized[9] 1976 study which alleged to find significantly increased survival among cancer patients treated with intravenous and oral vitamin C.[10] Three subsequent studies using oral ascorbate failed to replicate these findings;[11][12][13] the original series was criticized for failing to randomize and control the treatment versus placebo groups,[14] and vitamin C's use as a cancer treatment was dismissed by mainstream medicine.[9][15] Recently, research has found that high dose i.v. vitamin C, which was found to kill in vitro cancer cells through the generation of hydrogen peroxide,[16] and tests of intravenous vitamin C on cancer patients, are not toxic, though they were also found to be ineffective at killing cancer cells or shrinking tumours.[17]

This is the same as anything else when dealing with cancer. Its all experimental. What helps you could kill the next person.

George

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by jnath on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:27 PM

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My brother's father in law had throat cancer and took 6 sachets of Lypospheric Vitamin C/day + 2 GSH and has the all clear, while still smoking. He did this dose for 3months. Apparently the Lypospheric Vit C is 10 times more powerful in effect than Intravenous Vit C i.e. 1g sachet = 10g intravenous Vit C. I have heard of other people having similar experiences with this form of it. See www.lyposphericnutrients.co.uk for info.

Jonathan

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by dalt1 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:46 PM

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On Mar 03, 2011 4:03 AM Georgenone wrote:

The statements both for and against high dose C, is at best food for thought. For every article that pouts the benefit there is another refute it.

 Its effect on cancer has been controversial, beginning with a heavily criticized[9] 1976 study which alleged to find significantly increased survival among cancer patients treated with intravenous and oral vitamin C.[10] Three subsequent studies using oral ascorbate failed to replicate these findings;[11][12][13] the original series was criticized for failing to randomize and control the treatment versus placebo groups,[14] and vitamin C's use as a cancer treatment was dismissed by mainstream medicine.[9][15] Recently, research has found that high dose i.v. vitamin C, which was found to kill in vitro cancer cells through the generation of hydrogen peroxide,[16] and tests of intravenous vitamin C on cancer patients, are not toxic, though they were also found to be ineffective at killing cancer cells or shrinking tumours.[17]

This is the same as anything else when dealing with cancer. Its all experimental. What helps you could kill the next person.

George

Have any natural alternatives studies ever been found to cure cancer? One only has to look at who is funding the studies to find the answer.

Your post brought to mind the first big Con by the pharmaceutical Industry. It happened in India in the mid 1800's. A common complaint was cured by natural remedies. The British Pharmaceutical Company wanted to sell their cure for this complaint and couldn't make inroads to this lucrative market until a press release...Yes, you guessed it, they put out misinformation that the natural cure was causing deaths. Yes, you guessed it again, the British Pharmaceutical Company made a fortune and this method of marketing is still being used today.
 
Take Apricot Kernals. When Sloan Memorial Ketering Cancer Reasearch (SMKR) Center realized they couldn't synthesize this, they started a campaign and said it was deadly to consume. Take the Mayo clinic. They tried for years to discredit Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling and his work on Vitamin C and were eventually discredited for perpetuating a fraud (Linus Pauling died at 94 years after a lifetime of good health. The managing director of the Mayo Clinic who tried to discredit Pauling died at 67. Yep, you guessed it, from cancer...Ironic isn't it that they couldn't cure their Managing Director with conventional medicine).
 
This article from New Zealand's 60 Minutes program highlights the 'Head in the Sand' approach by the Medical Establishment. View this article on how the medical establishment wanted to take this patient of life support. Two 25 gram vitamin C drips over two days and he was off the death list. The recommended levels for this type of emergency is 100 - 200 grams daily. It goes to show that even small amounts have massive effects.
 
 
On a side note, I read a Dr Klenner article about a child who was given the last rights as she only had a very short time to live (hours) due to cancer. The mother who was a nurse and had a Bachelor of Science  degree, asked the doctors to give her daughter Vitamin C injections, but they continually refused. The mother in desperation to save her child after the last rights were given, sneaked between 25 – 35 grams of vitamin c into her daughters drip when no one was looking. The child recovered quickly and was out of hospital within a week and has since recovered from her cancer.
 
To summarise my long and lengthy post - One must take some control of their destiny. Like myself, I had no options, but to self treat. If I had taken the RDA of Selenium and avoided Vitamin C, would I be still alive today? I don't think so!
 
My favourite medical quote - They (American Cancer Society) lie like scoundrels."----Dean Burk, Ph.D., 34 years at the National Cancer Institute. Now, why would he make this statement if it wasn't true and why wasn't the pants sued off him if it wasn't correct??? 

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by andy73 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 01:00 PM

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Respecfully disagree with all of these statements-

"The statements both for and against high dose C, is at best food for thought."

The benefits of high dose IV Vit C are very well established, and well documented in the scientific literature, the last 50+ yrs. Dr Hugh Riordan has been successfully treating C patients with this for 25+ yrs. Dr Abram Hoffer is another excellent example

 "For every article that pouts the benefit there is another refute it."

If you look at the authors of the ones that try to discredit it, you'll find, almost without exception, a conflict of interest. Mostly being ties to drug companies

" Its effect on cancer has been controversial, beginning with a heavily criticized[9] 1976 study which alleged to find significantly increased survival among cancer patients treated with intravenous and oral vitamin C.[10] Three subsequent studies using ORAL ascorbate failed to replicate these findings" 

If they were trying to duplicate the original study with IV Vit C, why in the world would they use ORAL Vit C and not IV ? And then say that it didn't work. That makes a lot of sense. The public isn't that stupid

"Recently, research has found that high dose i.v. vitamin C, which was found to kill in vitro cancer cells through the generation of hydrogen peroxide,[16] and tests of intravenous vitamin C on cancer patients, are not toxic, though they were also found to be ineffective at killing cancer cells or shrinking tumours."

Really? And who did that or those studies?  Again, you'll find that whoever did this supposed study, has direct ties to the drug companies

You'll never hear of someone dying of the horrible effects of Vit C therapy like we do every day with chemotherapy  

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by dalt1 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 01:06 PM

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On Mar 03, 2011 12:27 PM jnath wrote:

My brother's father in law had throat cancer and took 6 sachets of Lypospheric Vitamin C/day + 2 GSH and has the all clear, while still smoking. He did this dose for 3months. Apparently the Lypospheric Vit C is 10 times more powerful in effect than Intravenous Vit C i.e. 1g sachet = 10g intravenous Vit C. I have heard of other people having similar experiences with this form of it. See www.lyposphericnutrients.co.uk "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.lyposphericnutrients.co.uk " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">www.lyposphericnutrients.co.uk for info.

Jonathan

Liposomal Vitamin C has been receiving great results and is a fantastic alternative to oral vitamin c. However, your information is slightly incorrect. 1 gram satchet = 10 gram of vitamin C refers to oral vitamin c and even that is incorrect. For every 10 gram of oral vitamin c, 19-20% is absorbed into the blood stream. This is a factor of 5, not 10 as indicated by Lypospheric Nutrients. Absorbing any medicine by way of the gut will never be as effective as IV. Other major disadvantages is that they use soy as the liposome and we all know this is a  dangerous food, even though the soy industry would have us think otherwise.

I purchased my own equipment to make Liposomal vitamin c. My research indicated (after making many batches) that every gram manufactured only contains 300 mg of vitamin c, further discrediting lypospheric nutrients publicity - i.e. 300 mg equates to 1.5 grams of oral vitamin c. Dr Levy touts this as being more effective than IV vitamin C, but one must understand that Dr Levy is part owner of the company that manufactures this product, so his credibility is compromised somewhat.

Even with this misinformation, it still shows the power of vitamin c. We will always get dream-takers  who will knock this wonderful vitamin and the pharmaceutical companies have long tentacles that spread this misinformation. Having conquered cancer myself, IV vitamin c is a must, however the medical profession love to make money by charging sinful amounts to provide IV injections. I currently use veterinary IV vitamin c and self inject. Same product, one 10th the price - $11 per 100 ml plus the syringe 50 cents. It is now wonder cancer patients are racing off to Mexico for treatment as the costs are ridiculous everywhere in the western world.

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