Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

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by JohnnyP on Mon Apr 22, 2019 01:11 PM

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Start at 2:00:00 if you don't have the time to listen to it all.

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Mon Apr 22, 2019 07:59 PM

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J:

I'm looking into high dose IV vitamin C.  Here is a thread about it, with a link to a European source:

https://www.cancercompass.com/message-board/message/all,7582

If I read their ad correctly, it's very expensive.  $100 per bottle, and you might need 7-10 bottles per use.

There must be a DIY recipe out there.

Also, would you ask Daniel if this can be administered by enema, rather than IV?  That would remove one of the legal gotcha's.  I think.

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by Jcancom on Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:12 AM

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JohnnP, yes I was also surprised by vitamin C. Go to D's site and search for vitamin C. One of the threads on vitamin C was a real eye opener for me. Apparently 4 out of 50 of the original Scottish patients treated with Vitamin C developed TLS. It is beyond reasonable argument that under certain conditions in some patients vitamin C can have very powerful anti-tumor effects. I would not have expected this to have been true.

However, it now appears that are a great many metabolic treatments that can have substantial effects against cancer. After all the many many posts to our thread, I no longer find it plausible that metabolic medicine is not a route to a cure for cancer. Metabolics opens up a nearly endless number of approaches to cancer. I would love to see the Turkish results apply yet more metabolic stress and induce even stronger responses in their patients. It is not completely clear to me how they might achieve this, though more of what they are doing probably would not be a bad idea.

The main mistake that I can see we made on our thread is that not enough metabolic stress was applied. Only 5 units of stress was being applied, when 10 units of stress was needed to be effective. The results from the Turkish clinic and on D's site were so much better when chemo was added in. This pushed the stress level of the cancer cells beyond  their coping level. It is very impressive to me that Dayspring can create this level of stress even without chemo. 

Metabolic therapy truly can be an effective cancer strategy, when used within the context of an integrated, comprehensive program.  

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:19 AM

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I took Shirley for her monthly blood test today.  After we were through, I said let's go check out Advanced Hyperbarics.  I'd mentioned HBOT to her a few times, and had her watch the presentation on youtube by Dr. D'Agastino, so she was up for it.  Or down with it.  Same thing.  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGN_DV9UVSU

They have two huge chambers, built into what was at one time a private residence.  See website for photos.  advancedhyperbarics.com

It's only 15 minutes from home, and very reasonbly priced.  $1k for ten 60 minute sessions at 2.5 atmosperes of 100% oxygen.

We were very impressed.  Shirley said "I can do this."  I was afraid she would think this is too far out in left field.

I also contacted In Home Support Services, but they said it takes three to four MONTHS to get approved.  And, they want to put you on hold for an hour, so I said NO, we'll come in to your office and apply in person.

So, until we get that going, we'll have to dip into our meager savings to start HBOT.  To conserve funds, we'll probably wait 1-2 months before starting it.

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Wed Apr 24, 2019 07:58 PM

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J:

I listened to a Peter Attia podcast with Dr. Thomas Seyfried the other day.  It's from a few months ago.  Scroll sown a bit at this link:

https://peterattiamd.com/tomseyfried/

Seyfried says the Istanbul clinic is not using a glutamine inhibitor, like DON.

(go away, she's no good for you)/four_seasons

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Wed Apr 24, 2019 09:56 PM

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J:

Dayspring should have beaucoup patient reports by now.

How many have they made public?

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by Jcancom on Thu Apr 25, 2019 04:45 AM

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JohnnyP, there are quite a number. Over time Dayspring seems to take some of them down. I went to the Wayback to take a look at all that they posted.

Dayspring is very impressive. They consider 3-BP to be their lead treatment and they are quite anti-chemo. We have seen on D's site and the Turkish clinic that chemo can be potentiated by metabolic approaches. While the Turkish clinic noted that they are obligated by law to provide standard of care which includes chemo, Dayspring actually avoids chemo in their regimen and have posted strong results nonetheless.

Thank you for the link to the podcast! It must be so frustrating for those in metabolic cancer research who want this information to reach general consciousness see it remain largely dormant. Patients typically will defer to their doctors and the doctors are legally required to provide standard of care. It is nearly a perfect blocker of progress.

Yet, there are so many of metabolic treatments! It is almost endless. With the proper formulation, many many of these approaches should offer extremely potent therapies. I would not have thought that cancer would have so many of these vulnerabilities. However, a glance back on our thread and you can find quite a few.   

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Thu Apr 25, 2019 05:05 AM

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Well, In Home Support Services is a bust.  First, you have to get on Medical, which means you can't have more than $3K in savings and income must be less than $20k.  Then, they will only pay for the time when I have to help her into the shower or other things she cannot physically do on her own.  They don't pay for me to cook or clean, or take her to appointments.

So, back to work on my new product design.

RE: Anyone used 3bp (3-bromopyruvate)?

by JohnnyP on Thu Apr 25, 2019 02:22 PM

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Oh, forgot to say, I do plan on spending savings to do HBOT, but I don't want to start until I read up on high dose IV vitamin C.  I think it would be better to combine them than just do HBOT alone.

I was just looking at the drug they want her to start taking.  It's "Verzenio".  They gave us a one month supply, but Shirley is afraid to take it, after reading about all the side effects, expecially considering the cost.  We have co-pay assistance up to $3500/yr but can't get an answer on what the co-pay will be.

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