TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

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RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by snflwrc on Mon Jul 15, 2013 09:49 PM

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Hello Roxana,

I posted months ago about how the Budwig diet with Trican worked for me. You can look back at my post.  Since then I have only gotten better and been able to return to work. I had a pleural efffusion in both lungs and six months after staying on the program all the fluid is gone.  A total surprise to my doctor who doesn't believe in alternative.  You attacked me like you have Andy.  I am starting to wonder what your true agenda is. I tried chemo for 7  months and the fluid just got worse. Thank God for Budwig.  I did take the FOCC (flax seed oil and cottage cheese) in the beginning but have decided not to recently because even Budwig recognizes that some cancers do not benefit from the cottage cheese.  Though I am thinking of trying it again to see how my body responds since I did have such a good response in the beginning. They continue to do research to help us find healing.  As research shows new info. they adjust their program responsibly. As far as promoting Budwig to make money...that's ridiculous.  You can follow the diet and all their guides for FREE.They publicly put out FREE info to help us all. There are FREE videos to watch how to make the FOCC. Now Trican (or Cellect) does cost money, and is well worth it if you can afford it. I believe this program has saved my life. And it is a shame how you continue to try to destroy them.  Like Andy said just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work.  You need to check your own body as you try programs to see if they are working.  If they are not then try a different one. I knew Budwig worked cause I saw a huge difference in 3 weeks. And I will continue this program to heal me from this cancer...cause it works. Also, I have another family member who is living proof it helps for kidney cancer too. He is the one who got me on the program.

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by livewell on Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:41 PM

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I agree with snflwrc, there's no need to say that a diet is a total scam, just because it didn't work for several people.  I know the budwig diet claims 90% success rate, and while I don't believe that at all, I definitely believe it has worked for a good amount of people.  Now, nobody made a guarantee that it would work, just like chemo!  But as they say, leave no stone unturned!  There may be something out there that works, everyone is different!  And no, I'm not some quackjob sent by the yahoo group to defend the diet.  We're all here looking for information and SUPPORT, let's not forget that.  We should be here for each other, and if we don't agree on something, there's no reason we can't be civil.

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by RoxanaC on Tue Jul 16, 2013 04:23 AM

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O woaw snflwrc, what good timing you have. So again, you have joined this site to make only 2 comments, twice, once in December and one now, both of them following one of my posts. Very bizzare, could you please explain this? There is no other activity on your account. You have not posted anything about your disease, what type of chemo you have tried and what is exactely that it did not work with that.

You only mentioned a very general stage 4 NHL. Which one exactely? GIve us more details please. What was the name of the drug you have taken for 7 months? ( you know, the one you said it did not work)

Same for Andy, he just joined the forum and he jumped straight into commenting about my post (which makes me bet that was specifically targeted).

You are mentioning:

"They continue to do research to help us find healing.  As research shows new info. they adjust their program responsibly. As far as promoting Budwig to make money...that's ridiculous.  You can follow the diet and all their guides for FREE. They publicly put out FREE info to help us all."

Who is THEY? What is the so called research you are mentioning that "they" continue? Why don't you just post links to that reasearch if it so valid? Who is "they" that are adjusting the program "responsably" ?

I spoke with numerous people and not even one had results from the so called diet, in fact as you can see on the thread there are quite a few for which the cheese agravated the issue.

As for you and Andy mentioning in the past the yahoo group for budwig? Yea, people are targeted there by receiving messages directing them to a website which belongs to the owner of the group where for a fee one can have access to some videos on how to cook basically. For the sake of the disclosure let's mention that the woman owning the site does not suffer of cancer, She took over ( bought) the database from the previous owners and she is trying to convince more people to join.

There are reviews out there of the budwig diet done from crosreferencing studies and not even one showed improvements in cancer patients.

And let's say that it did not work in my case for the cancer. But also the "diet" pretends that is working for many other disease as well. Well, it did not work for an autoimmune issue I had, it did not work for a viral infection I had and so on. Not even for one thing.  Let's not pretend something different.

it's understandable that when one has cancer we tend to grasp at anything and of course there are low life's lurking around to take advantage of people. A fool and their money are soon parted. And what is worst: precious time is being taken from the patient when they could try the medical proven approach or even something else with a little bit more proven basis

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by RoxanaC on Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:16 AM

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On Jul 15, 2013 10:41 PM livewell wrote:

I agree with snflwrc, there's no need to say that a diet is a total scam, just because it didn't work for several people.  I know the budwig diet claims 90% success rate, and while I don't believe that at all, I definitely believe it has worked for a good amount of people.  Now, nobody made a guarantee that it would work, just like chemo!  But as they say, leave no stone unturned!  There may be something out there that works, everyone is different!  And no, I'm not some quackjob sent by the yahoo group to defend the diet.  We're all here looking for information and SUPPORT, let's not forget that.  We should be here for each other, and if we don't agree on something, there's no reason we can't be civil.

Hi livewell, thank you for your comment. At least you have a profile and some activity. If you look at snflwrc and andyguy plus another profile who posted earlier on this thread you will notie that they have no activity and use the same language which to me indicates that is the same person trying to direct people to her group

From there we know what happens: myself and others received a personal message to let us know of the existence of a website, Once you aer there you are prompted to part with your money.

Regarding your comment that budwig claims a 90% success rate, could you please point me to the study showing how that was calculated? I personally have not been surveyed, nor I have been part of a trial. It is easy to use language and generalization prying on people's fears. What is worst is that in fact many of the cancers today can indeed be cure with drugs. In some cases the success rate is 100%. In other cases the results are poor

On an analysis, the most often mentioned "cancer diets" areBudwigdiet, Gerson's regimen, lowcarb diet, cancer cure of Breuß and macrobiotic diet. These diets can be classified according to the principle idea of carcinogenesis as follows: cancer as a lack or abundance of a substance or as a consequence of pathological metabolism of cancer cells. Staying in line with a specific diet the patients are thought to be able to cure themselves or at least substantially contribute to cure. However, no scientific publication of a clinical study which describes positive results regarding survival could be found. On the contrary, data show malnutrition and side effects.

Regarding Johanna Budwig, she lived untill 2003 and she teached up to 1990s. Her initial studies were done in 1953 yet she did not make any attempt later to continue testing her theory with the more modern methods available in 1990s. As such the 90% rate cannot be claimed, in fact no %rate can be claimed.

I have done my homework thouroughly and I have also tried the diet myself. It does not work and I am happy I came to my senses as it would have made me loose my life. Yes, it is dangerous.You have also seen in the thread other reaction peopl had and they were not good

I would say the culprit is the cottage cheese, the fat in dairy has been proved to also be a factor in cancer relapses (eg- breast cancer). Here is the reference to that: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23492346

Flex seed oil on the other hand is good and I will have it as part of cancer diet. But certainly not in combination with cheese. I would put some hopes on  beta-glucans, salvestrol,  and proper supplimenation with an organic live diet. I would also do my research regarding the type of cancer. In these days the new approach used in latest trials is to do a genetic test and see which of the therapies are going to give results rather than treating blindly. More and more imunotherapies are used and not chemo.

This will certainly increase someone's chances for survival.

In my case, I refused chemo, yet I chose to treat a viral infection I dicovered was the reason for the cancer (and no, budwig diet did not help with that either). I was able to cross reference databases, follow up on the latest treatments and results and prove my theory. That has been supported by the subsequent tests.

Yes, leave no stone unturned. But make it in a way which supports life and which is not a death sentence. I cannot support people by lying that it works as it is not. I can support people by sharing what I learned and helping them in their research if they need, I can help people getting clarity from all this claims around them as once you start to break them down you realise how unfounded those claims are. I hope that makes it clear on where I stand. I will not put up with quacks and low lifes trying to make money on other people's pain

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by lalaji on Tue Jul 16, 2013 02:23 PM

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Hi Roxana,

I have not tried the Budwig diet, but have done quite a bit of homework on cancer diet.

After all the readings on diet, I too feel the same way you are feeling...the cottage cheese does not seem to be good for cancer. Flax seed is good, though it has phyto estrogen.

I will request people to find out clearly whether dairy is good for cancer or not (even when mixed with Flax Oil).

I have this doubt in mind and have decided not to start this diet, instead have only gound flax seeds.

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by snflwrc on Thu Jul 18, 2013 09:48 PM

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On Jul 16, 2013 4:23 AM RoxanaC wrote:

O woaw snflwrc, what good timing you have. So again, you have joined this site to make only 2 comments, twice, once in December and one now, both of them following one of my posts. Very bizzare, could you please explain this? There is no other activity on your account. You have not posted anything about your disease, what type of chemo you have tried and what is exactely that it did not work with that.

You only mentioned a very general stage 4 NHL. Which one exactely? GIve us more details please. What was the name of the drug you have taken for 7 months? ( you know, the one you said it did not work)

Same for Andy, he just joined the forum and he jumped straight into commenting about my post (which makes me bet that was specifically targeted).

You are mentioning:

"They continue to do research to help us find healing.  As research shows new info. they adjust their program responsibly. As far as promoting Budwig to make money...that's ridiculous.  You can follow the diet and all their guides for FREE. They publicly put out FREE info to help us all."

Who is THEY? What is the so called research you are mentioning that "they" continue? Why don't you just post links to that reasearch if it so valid? Who is "they" that are adjusting the program "responsably" ?

I spoke with numerous people and not even one had results from the so called diet, in fact as you can see on the thread there are quite a few for which the cheese agravated the issue.

As for you and Andy mentioning in the past the yahoo group for budwig? Yea, people are targeted there by receiving messages directing them to a website which belongs to the owner of the group where for a fee one can have access to some videos on how to cook basically. For the sake of the disclosure let's mention that the woman owning the site does not suffer of cancer, She took over ( bought) the database from the previous owners and she is trying to convince more people to join.

There are reviews out there of the budwig diet done from crosreferencing studies and not even one showed improvements in cancer patients.

And let's say that it did not work in my case for the cancer. But also the "diet" pretends that is working for many other disease as well. Well, it did not work for an autoimmune issue I had, it did not work for a viral infection I had and so on. Not even for one thing.  Let's not pretend something different.

it's understandable that when one has cancer we tend to grasp at anything and of course there are low life's lurking around to take advantage of people. A fool and their money are soon parted. And what is worst: precious time is being taken from the patient when they could try the medical proven approach or even something else with a little bit more proven basis

Roxana, I have made 4 comments before this one.  I am sooo sorry Budwig did not work for you.  I only shared my story of how Budwig has saved my life to hopefully save others from this horrible cancer. I have Nodal B-Cell Marginal Zone Lymphoma,  at my initial diagnosis it was in my bone marrow, lungs, and with tumors all throughout my lymphatic system. A rare kind that does not respond well to treatment, found out after a second opinion.  Wish I knew that before I tried chemo.  I had 2 rounds of RCVP, of which I had painful reaction to the Rituxan and no response, my tumors did not shrink at all. Then tried Bendamustin for 5 sessions, and had such a little response I didn't do the last session. My tumors only shrank 1 cm total and the fluid around my lungs never decreased on their own.  Started Budwig a month after ending chemo, and 3 weeks after doing the program strictly a cat scan showed the fluid around my lungs finally decreased and my biggest tumor shrank from 6cm to 3.5 cm, almost in half. Returned to work full-time after continuing the Budwig distant program and six months after doing the program all the fluid is gone from my lungs, a total surprise to my doctor.  It has saved my life and I will continue it till this cancer is completely gone and even for maintenance. I was told I would never be cured unless I got a bone marrow transplant that worked..some don't. According to my doctors,  I have a life long cancer, that I would have had to had chemo every so many years to maintain my health to live maybe 5-10 years with, yet not cure it. Soo YES I am SOOO THANKFUL FOR BUDWIG cause my options were not so optimistic since I didn't respond well to chemo. I praise God for this program and know it is a blessing. I am not here to promote Budwig for financial gain, only to help others.  If you cannot afford their program, I would follow the Budwig Diet Guide (and drink at least 4-6 glasses of green smoothies a day) and other things they recommend to do (get on the trampoline). Only eat the FOCC if it is recommended for your cancer and you see it helping, it is not recommended for lymphoma, but can work for NHL.  Also, if you can afford Trican or Cellect (another brand of it) I highly recommend it.  I believe taking it 3 times a day has helped build my immune system to fight the cancer.  I believe my diet changes (I follow the diet 90% of the time so it doesn't drive me crazy), following Budwig's recommendations on their webpage, taking the Trican, and God's healing power has saved my life. If anyone wants to know more about exactly what I do, please feel free to message me.

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by RoxanaC on Sun Jul 21, 2013 03:05 AM

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Snflwrc, you have made 4 comments and all related only with this post. You still did not answer to who are "they" who are doing the budwig research. I guess you have no idea and this is why you have not answered to that. Let's establish some things:

1. You are NOT a doctor so I am not even sure how come that you are prescribing things to cancer sufferers. You have no idea aboout their set of circumstances and you are probably puting them on a path to death with your recommandations.

2.You believed that following this diet helped build your immune system to fight the cancer. Well Marginal Zone Lymphoma (MZL) is a cancer of the immune system itself so you cannot built it to fight against its own cells. Does not work in that way. B cells are produced in the bone marrow and there will be a combinations of normal B cells and transfomed B cells. They dye when they dye. Rituxan is basically distroying the adult Bcells but not the young ones and as such the new ones will grow and the damaged ones will die. In time after a few sessions (at least 4 as far as I know) things will be reassesed. You might find that there are no cancer B cells anymore and that the patient will have a period of remission until some other event happens either a few years later or many, many years later. (10-20-30years)

3. If I can comment very well on a type of cancer this is the one you say you have. Why? Because I have the same type - Stage 4 Marginal Zone Lymphoma. I really suggest that you are changing doctors because everything you have said so far sounds really, really wrong. To start with - if your tumors are indeed in the lungs that will be an extranodal MZL as there are no lymph nodes in the lung. Secondly - there is no fluid accumulation around the lungs, that does not exist. It will be in the lung within the pleural space. Thirdly - your comment that Marginal Zone Lymphoma is a rare cancer that does not respond well to treatment - what a nonsense. This cancer is categorized as indolent and is one of the only few around who respond to treatment very, very well.. In fact is a perfectly manageable condition which is not ususally treated untill is needed. Many of the sufferes will be on a Wait and watch approach. Bendamustine is NEVER, given by itself but only as a secondary to Rituximab. Usually Rituximab is given as single agent or combined with Bendamustine or Clorambucil. Local radiation is highly efficient for the big tumors. As for the bone marrow transplant to cure this type of cancer - that info is wrong as well. Although this type of cancer is considered incurable it is also considered higly manageable. People are alive for more that 20-30 years doing nothing or doing some maintenace tretment. Many of them are a stage 4 but that does not mean much when non hodgkins lymphoma. Bone marrow transplant is done only when a non hodgkins lymphoma is aggresive and only after other types of treatmtent have shown no progress. This is hardly ever the case with the marginal zone lymphoma. Yes, it can transform and in that case chances are it will react very well to chemo whith a very high chence to be cured for good.

RCVP or R-CHOP is usually given to diffuse large B-cell lymphoma patients and not to the indolent Marginal Zone Lymphoma. This is standard approach in many, many countries. Although you have said you had a second opinion, it is clear that you did not pick right your doctors.

Also Rituximab does not fit the chemo clasification but rather imunotheraphic.

How do I know all this? For starter because I studied my disease very, very well. Secondly becasue I also joined a group on yahoo nhl-malt with only Marginal Zone Lymphoma sufferers. 400 of them, all alive for may years, and quite a few with lung manifestation like yours. There is a list there with all of us and the different type of tumor location and also the type of tretament each one followed. NONE of them relied on cottage cheese and probably all of them will laugh to this nonsense. I really think you will benefit by contacting them as you can learn from some of them what doctors they see. Some of them see lymphoma specialists who are ranked number 1-2-3 in US.

I was still somehow hoping that you might produce some valid research to Budwig diet but I guess you can't. Till then it is clear that you have no idea how anyone with an agressive cancer can react to it. With your indolent cancer which by the way has ups and downs by itself, you had the liberty to play around but other people do not have this luxury and as you have seen in previous posts on this thread, many had increases in their tumors same as I did. Luckily I have come to my senses. Again, the so called Budwig diet did not work either on the autoimune disease I had nor on the viral infection I had. But luckily the mainstream drugs did. By treating the viral infection with imunoteraphic drugs I will more than likely have the lymphoma going in remission for good. This is a fact, demostrated by scientific studies and not by quack claims. And as such I am also surprised by that comment of yours saying that the patients with this type of cancer survive only 5-10 years. Go to the group I have mentioned nhl-malt and you will have a chance to speak with people being on tx for more than 20 years and thriving. None of them is dead although some of them might struggle at times.

Again, it is very wrong to recommend something you have no idea how will someone's disease and to even justify it. There is absolutely NO proof that offers any benefit. Even Budwig herself did not continue her studies in the era where more advanced technologies existed to proof her point. That definitely counts for something and I guess is because even she realized that in fact is not working

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by Why-Me on Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:13 PM

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On Feb 11, 2013 9:59 PM RoxanaC wrote:

On Feb 11, 2013 2:40 p.m. anubhav wrote:

On Jan 26, 2013 9:09 AM ozzieme wrote:

On Jan 19, 2013 3:00 AM francene wrote:

Hi!    I am interested to know how your mother is doing on the Trican. We live in Western Australia and were trying desperately to get hold of some trican. I dont know where you are but if you have any information can you let me know.

Many thanks Fran

Hi Fran I am just wondering what sort of cancer you want to use Trican for?

Also Trican is the same product as cellect

hello , I am looking for a cure for my mother who has stage 4 metastatic breast cancer. I had tried BUDWIG centre , and have been searching online for testimonials. this is the only place fro where I got two accounts of persons who claim they didn't benefit from FOCC diet leave alone trican. after a lot of coaxing my mother has started FOCC combo and I wanted her to graduate onto Trican as well. I have second thoughts now. if FOCC doesn't help it's ok but if it gets the cancer worse then a lot of people I can say are on a blind path eating FOCC. so can some body say that it will help/ not help?? is trican good for treating cancer?? has it been tested and approved for consumption ?? help out guys.....

Hello

Sorry that I have to say that but FOCC does not help. I have tried it myself for stage 4 lymphoma and actually went worts. Some lymph nodes on my neck became bigger and harder. A pile of cheese cannot do any good really. Dairy is well known to stimulate a bad response really and promote inflamation

As for Trican (or cellect) I cannot really comment as I did not try it. I decided that is a waste of money as is nothing more than a multivitamin. No, it has not been tested. Approved for consumption? Well is a supplement so is not dangerous. Approved for treatment? No, no way. Is it treating cancer? No, absolutely not

I personally tried Salvestrols, I only had is for 3 months so I do not have an opinion yet, howeve I spoke with other people taking it here in my city and one lady had good results with the breast cancer and another person had his pancreatic cancer cleared. Again, is a supplement hence not tested for treating, but at least I saw results where with FOCC , no, I cannot say that I know any example.

 

Hi,

I have NHL Large B cell Lymphoma Stage 4 high grade and have been following Budwig protocol since the beginning of July, I am also juicing carrots and veg. My tumor which was eating away at my sixth right rib causing it to fracture, started to heal shortly after I started the protocol.

Flax oil needs to be mixed with a sulfur protein to make it water soluble, otherwise it will not get into the blood properly and thus its benefit will be limited.

My Hematologist wants to start me on Chemo and have another CT scan to use as a marker, I really do not want to go down the Chemo route, if I can treat myself through diet, I also started taking Salvestrols about 2 weeks ago 4000 points per day.

When I have my next CT scan I will compare the size of my tumor with the one I had 26th June, I am hoping the tumor will be starting to shrink, because it is no longer attacking my rib.

I do not think any potential cancer treatment is a one glove fits all, what might work for one person might not for another and unfortunately for many people their cancer is at a very advanced stage before they get to know they have the disease.

I think it is wrong to say that Dr Budwig’s protocol does not work, she spent many years helping treat and cure people with cancer, people would not have kept going back to her clinic if she was not getting results. 

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by mirela on Fri Jan 10, 2014 02:57 PM

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Could you please tell me how's your mother after trying TRICAN?

RE: TRICAN in addition to Budwig Diet

by JohnAK on Mon Aug 04, 2014 08:53 PM

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Hi,

You might want to consider the idea that your swollen lymph nodes as a result of eating Budwig cream may be an appropriate immune response.  I don't know if this is happening, but I thought I would suggest it.  The vast majority of symptoms we experience as a result of infection or illness are actually created by our own immune system in response.  When your immune system starts the process of identifying pathogens/cancerous cells and cleaning them up, lymph nodes puff up.  This is especially true if the magnitude of the problem is significant.  They are the centers of this process.  It is conceivable that you experienced some reconstitution of immune function and a much heightened response.  It may also be it simply worsened things.  It may be too, that it made some things better and other things worse.  It's a tough call that only you can make.  You might want to look into this idea though.  Lymphoma is a poorly understood phenomenon if you read deeply into the biochem, experimental biology literature.  You might find something about this if you look carefully.

A second point worth making for people who may read this thread is your claim that this is just cottage cheese and that it is laughable. That is terribly misleading and simply untrue.  Budwig was very clear that you have to form a chemical complex of the flax oil with sulfonated compounds found in high concentration in the cottage cheese.  To be complete, I should mention that she used a substance called quark, which is only available in Europe, primarily Germany.  The cottage cheese is the nearest substance to quark available in North America though it is very different superficially, ie, consistency, taste.  The key is the water soluble sulfonated complexes found in the cottage cheese and quark.

The flax oil by itself is poorly absorbed, poorly transported in the blood, poorly transported across cell walls, and finally poorly transported across nuclear envelope walls (wall surrounding the DNA inside the cell).  The flax oil when complexed with the sulfonated compounds in the cottage cheese is now readily absorbed, transported, and made to cross cell and nucleus walls.  You are correct, that cottage cheese alone will not be helpful.  The cheese is simply an essential carrier for the flax oil.  Only together, only when thoroughly blended beforehand, and only when consumed alone without other substances will it have the desired effect.

In your case, it may well be that the cottage cheese has undesireable effects.  This is really unfortunate if you want to attempt the Budwig protocol. The budwig cream is the cornerstone of the therapy and it only works with the combination of the sulfonated compounds in the cottage cheese and the flax oil.

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