Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

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Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by Why-Me on Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:10 AM

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Hi All,

I would like to start a thread on Ketogenic Diet and how it can help to fight cancer.

I am looking for receipes which make this diet more interesting, because it seems that it must be implimented very stricktly for at least 3/6 months. 

I have read that once your body is in a state of ketosis that Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy can greatly improve results in killing cancer cells. 

Are there any members that are combining these two treatments which would like to share their progress, because I am interested in giving it a go.

Best Wishes 

Nigel

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by jesichashope on Sat Aug 24, 2013 08:13 PM

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Nigel,

I will see what I can find. I am a firm believer in not doing anything by yourself. While it is cheaper, in the long run, I see too many come to me that have tried a variety of things on their own and ready to give up because the cancer is still there, maybe slowed but still there or it is more aggressive after they begin to throw in the towel, so to speak.  We always end up getting a planned protocol set up and get a professional to monitor the progress. It is, in my opinion, essential for a good outcome to do the treatment plan with someone that has been there before and has the medical expertise to monitor test results and make changes as necessary.

The Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy is one that is used often and oxygenates the body so the cells die off.  One needs to understand how much die off is good, how to detox so as not to over toxify the body with toxic dead cancer cells. 

The Ketogenic Diet must be well orchestrated, and monitored. We do not want to make an imbalance in the other direction; you want controlled imbalance to start the die off and then to create balance to continue die off and lack of new growth or continued growth.

Hyperthermia is also very good for creating tumor reduction and allows the body then to cope with what is there, beginning with further die off and rebuilding. On our site, both whole body and local hyperthermia is fully explained.  There are reasons for chosing differenct methods of treatment; I like a well rounded protocol; more reduction and resolve is found, as I have seen.

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by bigsky20 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 09:08 PM

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On Aug 24, 2013 8:13 PM jesichashope wrote:

Nigel,

I will see what I can find. I am a firm believer in not doing anything by yourself. While it is cheaper, in the long run, I see too many come to me that have tried a variety of things on their own and ready to give up because the cancer is still there, maybe slowed but still there or it is more aggressive after they begin to throw in the towel, so to speak.  We always end up getting a planned protocol set up and get a professional to monitor the progress. It is, in my opinion, essential for a good outcome to do the treatment plan with someone that has been there before and has the medical expertise to monitor test results and make changes as necessary.

The Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy is one that is used often and oxygenates the body so the cells die off.  One needs to understand how much die off is good, how to detox so as not to over toxify the body with toxic dead cancer cells. 

The Ketogenic Diet must be well orchestrated, and monitored. We do not want to make an imbalance in the other direction; you want controlled imbalance to start the die off and then to create balance to continue die off and lack of new growth or continued growth.

Hyperthermia is also very good for creating tumor reduction and allows the body then to cope with what is there, beginning with further die off and rebuilding. On our site, both whole body and local hyperthermia is fully explained.  There are reasons for chosing differenct methods of treatment; I like a well rounded protocol; more reduction and resolve is found, as I have seen.

Nigel, Go to the site below, they work with people who have cancer and they will help get your glucose and ketones at the right numbers and then have you start on therapeutics. You can do it by yourself too, but it's so much easier with help and they know what they're doing. They also beilieve in using rhe Oxygen Chamber with the keto Diet. Keep me informed! http://ketooncology.com/ Tell them about your Salvestrols! If you do choose chemo, I believe that they can still help! Do have use of a Hyperbaric Chamber? Best Wishes, Big sky

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by Why-Me on Sun Sep 15, 2013 06:29 AM

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On Sep 12, 2013 9:08 PM bigsky20 wrote:

On Aug 24, 2013 8:13 PM jesichashope wrote:

Nigel,

I will see what I can find. I am a firm believer in not doing anything by yourself. While it is cheaper, in the long run, I see too many come to me that have tried a variety of things on their own and ready to give up because the cancer is still there, maybe slowed but still there or it is more aggressive after they begin to throw in the towel, so to speak.  We always end up getting a planned protocol set up and get a professional to monitor the progress. It is, in my opinion, essential for a good outcome to do the treatment plan with someone that has been there before and has the medical expertise to monitor test results and make changes as necessary.

The Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy is one that is used often and oxygenates the body so the cells die off.  One needs to understand how much die off is good, how to detox so as not to over toxify the body with toxic dead cancer cells. 

The Ketogenic Diet must be well orchestrated, and monitored. We do not want to make an imbalance in the other direction; you want controlled imbalance to start the die off and then to create balance to continue die off and lack of new growth or continued growth.

Hyperthermia is also very good for creating tumor reduction and allows the body then to cope with what is there, beginning with further die off and rebuilding. On our site, both whole body and local hyperthermia is fully explained.  There are reasons for chosing differenct methods of treatment; I like a well rounded protocol; more reduction and resolve is found, as I have seen.

Nigel, Go to the site below, they work with people who have cancer and they will help get your glucose and ketones at the right numbers and then have you start on therapeutics. You can do it by yourself too, but it's so much easier with help and they know what they're doing. They also beilieve in using rhe Oxygen Chamber with the keto Diet. Keep me informed! http://ketooncology.com/ "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ketooncology.com/ " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ketooncology.com/ Tell them about your Salvestrols! If you do choose chemo, I believe that they can still help! Do have use of a Hyperbaric Chamber? Best Wishes, Big sky

Hi bigsky20

Thank you the link most informative, I thought the Ketogenic died had become very popular amongst cancer sufferers over the last year. So I felt this thread might have had a few people posting how they balance their diet through the week and maintain it week in week out, I find that I am getting bored of the same type of meals. It seemed great at first being able to eat things like butter, but without bread to spread it on its not much fun.

I miss rice and fruits and am struggling with meat and fats all of the time, but if its going to stop the progression of my cancer, I will stick with it.

Regards

Nigel      

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by Why-Me on Sun Sep 15, 2013 06:51 AM

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On Aug 24, 2013 8:13 PM jesichashope wrote:

Nigel,

I will see what I can find. I am a firm believer in not doing anything by yourself. While it is cheaper, in the long run, I see too many come to me that have tried a variety of things on their own and ready to give up because the cancer is still there, maybe slowed but still there or it is more aggressive after they begin to throw in the towel, so to speak.  We always end up getting a planned protocol set up and get a professional to monitor the progress. It is, in my opinion, essential for a good outcome to do the treatment plan with someone that has been there before and has the medical expertise to monitor test results and make changes as necessary.

The Hyperbaric Oxygen therapy is one that is used often and oxygenates the body so the cells die off.  One needs to understand how much die off is good, how to detox so as not to over toxify the body with toxic dead cancer cells. 

The Ketogenic Diet must be well orchestrated, and monitored. We do not want to make an imbalance in the other direction; you want controlled imbalance to start the die off and then to create balance to continue die off and lack of new growth or continued growth.

Hyperthermia is also very good for creating tumor reduction and allows the body then to cope with what is there, beginning with further die off and rebuilding. On our site, both whole body and local hyperthermia is fully explained.  There are reasons for chosing differenct methods of treatment; I like a well rounded protocol; more reduction and resolve is found, as I have seen.

jesichashope

Thank you for the detailed response and I can see why people would require a coach to see them through this diet, for me its about keeping it interesting. 

Regards

Nigel 

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by bigsky20 on Sun Sep 15, 2013 04:58 PM

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Nigel, You're telling me, lol. I know it's a rather boring diet, but I got to the point where I said that it's so easy, now I can focus on therapeutics. The Cantin Ketogenic Diet is more for cancer, no dairy because it's allergic and turns into sugar. I eat organic meats, avocados, olives, nuts, salads, etc. I went through some serious sugar withdrawals about 2 months out, but it gets better. I would say that if you don't see any improvement on the diet after being tested and if you're doing everything correctly, then maybe switch over to juicing greens and just eating really clean foods and still eliminate dairy, wheat etc. Hyperbaric Oxygen and a good protocol along with the keto diet are showing promise, so it's worth a try. I wish you all the best, Big Sky

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by lalaji on Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:24 AM

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This is a little confusing to me. 

I hear that Dairy is bad for cancer. And, Keto diet heavily depends on things like cheese, butter etc. for the fat. Are these (cheese, butter) not dairy products and hence bad for cancer?

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by bigsky20 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:58 AM

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On Sep 26, 2013 11:24 AM lalaji wrote:

This is a little confusing to me. 

I hear that Dairy is bad for cancer. And, Keto diet heavily depends on things like cheese, butter etc. for the fat. Are these (cheese, butter) not dairy products and hence bad for cancer?

Hi Lalaji, There are a variety of Ketogenic diets out there. The Cantin Ketogenic Diet for Cancer is the one that you should do. Elaine Cantin cured her cancer with the diet and wrote a book about it. She also has a very active Face Book group. ELaine's diet is geared for cancer patients. No dairy, No red meat, No sugar (ever), Omit all allergen foods. Once in her Face Book group, go to her "Files" page and you'll find a 7 day menu sample and a list of suppplements that she took. Always compare,supplements to your type of cancer. Elaine had estro positive breast cancer. Dairy turns to sugar and will fuel the cancer. The amount of protein to eat in a day in my opinion is just what your body requires depending on your weight and activity level. Most important are the good quality fats! Her ratios are 5/1 or 4/1 Fat & Protein/Carbs. Carb count is 20 grams of carbs a day which comes to a small serving of low glycemic veggies with 3 meals and snacking on things like nuts and olives. If you're going to do the diet, it's very important to get everything down right and stay in ketosis and keep your glucose levels down. You can buy ketostix at any pharmacy. Some people measure their ketones and glucose with meters. Keto strips for meters can get expensive, but you will only need to test about once or twice a week. Hope this helps! BigSky

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by mehitabel on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:30 PM

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...boy there's a lot of misinfo in this thread. But the keto comments are true to life. Hard to eat butter...without the bread. But ketosis is very cancer fighting for many glycolytic cancers.

However some docs with hbo chambers are tacking hbo therapy onto ketosis...and it's silly, unproven, dangerous and opportunistic.

These links indicate HBO therapy increases serum malondialdehyde -- a scary carcinogen.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12768736

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16529171

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This link indicates HBO accelerates tumor growth after treatment.

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjourna

"We did not find any cancer enhancing effect during the HBO therapy. However, acceleration in tumor growth was observed following completion of HBO therapy. At the same time, mice subjected to HBO therapy lived shorter as compared to those not exposed to HBO therapy..."

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I have no medical expertise but it scares me that human cancer patients are being subjected to this treatment on the basis of flimsy mouse models. It's time to stop considering this treatment "non-toxic." Cancer really can grow in an oxygenated environment and when this treatment stops the cancer can rebound like wildfire.

ron

RE: Ketogenic Diet & Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy

by mehitabel on Tue Nov 19, 2013 10:33 PM

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darn...sorry for all that spacing...i wanted to add that Canton's book is the absolute WORST, most confusing messy presentation of her view of ketogenic diet.

all the best,

ron

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