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Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

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Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by ericseaside on Sat Mar 22, 2014 01:37 AM

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Dear message group,     I've learned about my condition only after finding that the cause of my chronic back pain was metastasis. I have several tumors, all but one small. The trouble one has eaten most of the L2 vertebra.  I had showed zero signs of prostate distress. However, my PSA is 783. I'm a life long roofer and lifter. I've been quite good about nutrition over the years, and have never taken any lifting supplements or drugs. I have always kept a positive and relaxed demeanor and rest comes easily to me. My oncologist wants to chemically block my T immediately, followed by radiation and chemical castration. Despite being stage 4 with multiple tumors, I am strong as hell! I did not agree yet to begin her plan. If I'm going to give this a fight with my nuts intact and at the strongest I could be, here is my chance. I'm eating only fish, nuts, seeds, vegetables, eggs, butter, avocado, berries along with vitamins, esp Vitamin C. I have an O3 machine coming, and am willing to try Simpson (hemp) oil. Should I block my balls right away? Take radiation? Thank you all in advance!  I'm available to IM or vid on skype too.          Eric

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by sue1234 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 02:00 AM

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Eric, I'm so sorry about this unpleasant road. I'm going to be very forthcoming about what I think. Your cancer doesn't care about how strong you are, it doesn't care that you want to go alternative treatment. My husband has stage 4 bile duct cancer. He worked hard his whole life, didn't drink smoke or do drugs. The cancer didn't care. He got sick anyway. Be very careful, you really only have one shot at this. My husband did not qualify for surgery. The cancer had spread. If he could have added to his treatment by having surgery HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT IN A SECOND. as it is, he's doing chemotherapy. That's your ego talking. One thing, we are not willing to do supplements because most of them will/may conflict with the chemo. He is doing ketogenic diet. Cancer requires a ton more sugar than regular cells. It's not going to cure him but will buy him more time. I would be aggressive with this. Steve jobs died because he didn't want surgery. He put it off for almost a year, by then it was too late. You have time where a lot of us don't, your life is worth more. Good luck, sue

RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by ericseaside on Sat Mar 22, 2014 02:38 AM

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Thank you for your message. Do I understand you correctly that you believe I should proceed immediately with testosterone blocking and radiation? To proceed right with the traditional protocol?   Cheers,  Eric

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by sue1234 on Sat Mar 22, 2014 03:01 AM

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Eric, I would definitely proceed with both. Surprisingly, my husband has had really good results with the diet. We go to the mayo clinic in mn. A friend of ours goes there also for tonsilar cancer. His oncologist put him on the diet, they are doing studies and have gotten good results. I think more people would do it, but it's a really carb restrictive diet. It might be wise to get a second opinion. Any alternative treatments, discuss with your doctor. Some of those treatments could do more harm than good. I would attack this aggressively with everything you have. I had another thought, if you have a Facebook account, there are great support groups for all the different types of cancer. Just type it in the search box. I belong to a few and have gotten a TON of good advice from people who have already gone through it. Sue

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RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by rjcrossley on Sat Mar 22, 2014 05:52 AM

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On Mar 22, 2014 1:37 AM ericseaside wrote:

Dear message group,     I've learned about my condition only after finding that the cause of my chronic back pain was metastasis. I have several tumors, all but one small. The trouble one has eaten most of the L2 vertebra.  I had showed zero signs of prostate distress. However, my PSA is 783. I'm a life long roofer and lifter. I've been quite good about nutrition over the years, and have never taken any lifting supplements or drugs. I have always kept a positive and relaxed demeanor and rest comes easily to me. My oncologist wants to chemically block my T immediately, followed by radiation and chemical castration. Despite being stage 4 with multiple tumors, I am strong as hell! I did not agree yet to begin her plan. If I'm going to give this a fight with my nuts intact and at the strongest I could be, here is my chance. I'm eating only fish, nuts, seeds, vegetables, eggs, butter, avocado, berries along with vitamins, esp Vitamin C. I have an O3 machine coming, and am willing to try Simpson (hemp) oil. Should I block my balls right away? Take radiation? Thank you all in advance!  I'm available to IM or vid on skype too.          Eric

Hi Eric Sorry for what you going though Please dont lose heart with this. There is still hope I been there and I know how you're feeling right now. you seem to have done some really useful research I feel one of the best thing you can do is O3 machine And I know from what I have learned over the years That everything you doing with the diet will work well and get you into remission . Using alternatives works What I use is to crush up and take 10 apricot pits and 3 tablespoons of encapsulated vitamin C a day   

Back in 2008. I was also told I had stage four I have been  using  alternatives for years and  last year  My doctor told me I'm in remission. Because over the years I have been using alternatives This has  manage to stop it killing me.  Back then  doctors said it was every where.  I also had a heart condition and a money problem that I never had before. That ruled out most forms of treatment Things may have change now but back in 2008 Please talk this over with your doctor  In 2008 it was in my ribs my lower back and in my lower jaw Plus my prostate was so swollen it was half way inside my bladder. And at the time, I was in so much pain death could not have come quick enough.  I was told by my oncologist  chemo doesn't work well on bone cancer.  As bone has such a low blood supply.  Also prostate cancer a slow growing cancer. and the problem with bone cancer is  they can't get enough chemo in to the bone to kill off all of  the bone cancer. At the time they also told me that radiation will work but the amount of radiation needed would probably kill me as well. They sent me  even though  I was unable to have conventional therapy back in 2008 As I wasn't a candidate for it because of my heart condition But on alternatives it work out better and I'm fine now.  talk to you later

God bless

Ray

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by james-peters on Sat Mar 22, 2014 06:47 AM

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Look into these; Lonidamine, Imatinib, Dehydroepiandrosterone, Oxythiamine, 6-Aminonicotinamide, Ribavirin, 3-bromopyruvate, 2-Deoxy-D-glucose, Sodium Phenylbutyrate, Sodium DCA, AFTVac (Autologous Formalin-fixed Tumor Vaccine), DCVax, 2nd Gen GcMAF, Low Dose Naltrexone, Coley's Vaccine (Coley's Toxins), Sonodynamic therapy (SDT) and photodynamic therapy (PDT), Local hyperthermia (Thermotron RF8) and whole body hyperthermia, Phenergan, Chlomipramine, Noscapine, Artemesinin, Tetrathiomolybdate, Perillyl Alcohol, Mebendazole, Careseng, Diet and certain other supplements

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RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by james-peters on Sat Mar 22, 2014 07:13 AM

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On Mar 22, 2014 6:59 AM AdreaBrier wrote:

On Mar 22, 2014 6:47 AM james-peters wrote:

Look into these; Lonidamine, Imatinib, Dehydroepiandrosterone, Oxythiamine, 6-Aminonicotinamide, Ribavirin, 3-bromopyruvate, 2-Deoxy-D-glucose, Sodium Phenylbutyrate, Sodium DCA, AFTVac (Autologous Formalin-fixed Tumor Vaccine), DCVax, 2nd Gen GcMAF, Low Dose Naltrexone, Coley's Vaccine (Coley's Toxins), Sonodynamic therapy (SDT) and photodynamic therapy (PDT), Local hyperthermia (Thermotron RF8) and whole body hyperthermia, Phenergan, Chlomipramine, Noscapine, Artemesinin, Tetrathiomolybdate, Perillyl Alcohol, Mebendazole, Careseng, Diet and certain other supplements

I consult in Holistic Healthier Approaches to Cancer.

You will find good information at ThrivingHealthAndWellness.com "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://ThrivingHealthAndWellness.com " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ThrivingHealthAndWellness.com

One of my clients saw his PSA numbers drop 50% in 6 weeks.

I've had multiple cancers and know this journey well.

I personally would use an integrated approche using diet, supplements, immune modulators like GcMAF, SDT and/or hyperthermia and certain drugs. Look online, in forums, books and speak with the oncologists and work out the best treatment plan. The drugs i've added are 'alternative'

RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by eternalife on Sat Mar 22, 2014 02:16 PM

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Hello,

So sorry to hear about this, you said you were a life long roofer... just wondered if there was something in the shingles that may have contributed to your disease.

I would check that out.. you may have a claim....

Best

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RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by rjcrossley on Sat Mar 22, 2014 09:20 PM

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On Mar 22, 2014 1:37 AM ericseaside wrote:

Dear message group,     I've learned about my condition only after finding that the cause of my chronic back pain was metastasis. I have several tumors, all but one small. The trouble one has eaten most of the L2 vertebra.  I had showed zero signs of prostate distress. However, my PSA is 783. I'm a life long roofer and lifter. I've been quite good about nutrition over the years, and have never taken any lifting supplements or drugs. I have always kept a positive and relaxed demeanor and rest comes easily to me. My oncologist wants to chemically block my T immediately, followed by radiation and chemical castration. Despite being stage 4 with multiple tumors, I am strong as hell! I did not agree yet to begin her plan. If I'm going to give this a fight with my nuts intact and at the strongest I could be, here is my chance. I'm eating only fish, nuts, seeds, vegetables, eggs, butter, avocado, berries along with vitamins, esp Vitamin C. I have an O3 machine coming, and am willing to try Simpson (hemp) oil. Should I block my balls right away? Take radiation? Thank you all in advance!  I'm available to IM or vid on skype too.          Eric

Hi Eric You probably going to be inundated with a lot of information on conventional cancer treatments and alternative cancer treatments Don't worry about it too much it just a learning curve When this happened to me I learn there was a lot of conventional and a lot of alternative ways of controlling my cancer

At first  I was told by my doctors that there are Many different treatments that can help if your cancer has spread to bone, commonly called bone metastasis. But I was also told that  this form of Treatment cannot cure bone metastasis. But it can relieve pain, help prevent complications, and improve My  functioning and quality of life.

I was told by my Doctors they use two types of treatments for my  metastatic cancer in the bones. Systemic treatments can reach cancer cells throughout the body. Local treatments directly target the cancer in the bone. Both are aggressive  treatments. But over the years  the trick with cancer is not to attack it aggressively As  attack it aggressively will damage your vital organs as well I had a good friend die.  Not from the cancer but for the damage the cancer treatment had done to his vital organs. I know you said your  L2 vertebra. damage so was mine and lower down L5.  Bone use two types of cells to build and repair it self  Osteoblasts are bone cells that produce bone and Osteoclasts are bone cells that dissolve bone they contently pull bone apart and rebuild it It took years but  I found when I was able to  get the bone metastasis under control  L2 L5 bone  seem to be able to repair it self. But I still get some back pain.

All  Cancer are normal cells but are damage cells  

The centrosome is the major microtubule organising center in animal cells. Following DNA damage, centrosome amplification can occur, which in turn can result in the formation of multipolar mitotic cells, and cell death. I won't go in to DNA damage-induced centrosome amplification All I want to say is when a normal cell has damage DNA is will usually going into cell death. But for some reason when it doesn't it will become a  rapidly dividing cell.  The thing is to stop these rapidly dividing cells from rapidly dividing (metastasis)  and becoming more rapidly dividing cells Our body will kill them off.  Our body does this all the time And to do this it use our immune system.  With a cell call a  phage The phage  will go in, and track down, and  kill off anything that is not us. So  phages kills cancer cells and there been doing it from the moment we were conceive and they will  keep doing to the moment we die. But the problem is.  if we have to many cancer cells our immune system will burn up a great deal of  phage fighting off cancer cells . it one of the reason later stage cancer patient get blood transfusion They burn up so many phage fighting the cancer they have no defence against pathogenic organisms (microbe) coming in to their bodies.  What is happening here is  in the end the phage just gets overwhelmed by just far to many cancer cells. So the best thing is to either kill off all the cancer cells which is impossible.  or stop the cancer cell  from Metastasis and give the phage a chance to get a handle on it. there are a few thing that do this like  B17  the other is  frankincense   

All the best

Talk to you later Ray        

RE: Stage 4 diagnosis 45 yrs, extremely fit, please advise

by SarahGrey on Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:30 PM

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On Mar 22, 2014 2:00 AM sue1234 wrote:

Eric, I'm so sorry about this unpleasant road. I'm going to be very forthcoming about what I think. Your cancer doesn't care about how strong you are, it doesn't care that you want to go alternative treatment. My husband has stage 4 bile duct cancer. He worked hard his whole life, didn't drink smoke or do drugs. The cancer didn't care. He got sick anyway. Be very careful, you really only have one shot at this. My husband did not qualify for surgery. The cancer had spread. If he could have added to his treatment by having surgery HE WOULD HAVE DONE IT IN A SECOND. as it is, he's doing chemotherapy. That's your ego talking. One thing, we are not willing to do supplements because most of them will/may conflict with the chemo. He is doing ketogenic diet. Cancer requires a ton more sugar than regular cells. It's not going to cure him but will buy him more time. I would be aggressive with this. Steve jobs died because he didn't want surgery. He put it off for almost a year, by then it was too late. You have time where a lot of us don't, your life is worth more. Good luck, sue

I agree with Sue...

Also, if you do not fully trust your oncologist's recommendations/treatment plan, you should get a 2nd opinion at another well-known institution.  Frankly, I think everyone should always get a 2nd opinion - it can't hurt (as long as you do it soon/asap) and can give you more perspective on what's going on and also allow you to trust that what you are doing is right.  

All the best, Sarah

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