Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

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RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by semtchr on Wed Apr 16, 2014 03:45 PM

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Lita sounds like an amazing girl! Looking at the date of your post I think our girls were going through similar things at the same time. My Scotty Mackenzie started having large clots which was so upsetting to see. She was having trouble walking and I knew it was the tumor pressing on a nerve in her back. As long as you think Lita is comfortable and eating then hang in there with her. She will let you know when she's in pain. Mackenzie was crying out when I touched her back leg, then she refused food. The vet came to my home and my sweet girl passed peacefully under our old oak tree on Mon. 4/14/14. She was 13 and fought TCC for 2 years. I will pray and send good thoughts to you and Lita.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by Litasmomma on Wed Apr 16, 2014 09:43 PM

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Thank you so much for this message and your prayers for my Lita. I'm so sorry for your loss of Mackenzie. Those blood clots are very scary!! I was just wondering, did the cancer spread to any other organs?

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by Litasmomma on Wed Apr 16, 2014 09:54 PM

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So I have another question for everyone. I took Lita to a different vet that is closer to my house. I wanted them to get to know Kita so when the time comes I don't have to drive her 25 minutes to my previous vet. When we saw the new vet I told her all the symptoms, diagnosis, etc. she told me she wanted to do an X-ray to see if the cancer has spread. I agreed and the X-ray showed NO CANCER in any of her other organs. Her bladder looked kind of grayish but her other organs were perfect. This new vet asked me when they did the biopsy and I told her they never did one and the diagnosis was based solely on the ultrasound and the placement of the mass. Now this vet is sending me to an oncologist because she's not sure if it's really cancer. After all this what if my dog was misdiagnosed???? From my research on the internet it doesn't sound like it could be a thing else but... Our appt is on Friday. I'll keep you all posted. Please keep praying for my beautiful little Lita. She's such a little fighter who really loves life (and stuffed skunk toys)!

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by semtchr on Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:14 PM

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After the ultrasounds to diagnose TCC, I did not have any additional ultrasounds so I don't know if the cancer had spread. My vet said it would likely spread to the lungs first. I hope your Lita does not have TCC, so keep us posted after your appointment. Fingers crossed!

Lita

by Baileysmom97 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 01:14 AM

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First of all, you should not do a needle biopsy with suspected bladder cancer because there is risk of seeding the cancer cells throughout the body when they withdraw the needle.  The best way to confirm TCC is by spinning a urine sample and then looking at the cells under a microscope.  The TCC cells will usually show up this way. There is another option of a type of scope where they go in by the urinary tract and into the bladder and grab a piece of the tumor, but this is a bit more expensive and involved.

With most bladder cancer, it's usually confined to the bladder and does not spread right away unless it is very aggressive.  Bailey lived more than 2 years with the cancer and it had not spread.  If I remember correctly, it will usually spread first to the lungs and then either back limbs or brain.

I would try to research which vets in your area have experience with TCC or find a teaching vet hospital, even if it means traveling.  Each dog responds differently, some live a long time and some not as long, but it really makes a difference to have someone who really has knowledge when it comes to TCC.  I'm sure the vets all mean well, but it's just a guessing game if they haven't had the experience with TCC.

RE: Lita

by Baileysmom97 on Thu Apr 17, 2014 01:27 AM

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I just re-read your first post and see that your normal vet indicated that the tumor was pretty large.  It doesn't so much matter whether it is cancer or not...the tumor is still growing and starting to block the urethra.  One option would be to put a stent in and that could help keep the urethra open.  Chemo at this point may not be effective and might be too hard on Lita.  I tried one round of chemo with Bailey and it was very difficult for her and had no effect on the tumor, but again every dog responds differently.  I originally was not going to do chemo, but when the tumor kept growing, I felt I had to try everything I could.

I would just try to find the most experienced person I could and go with their opinion.

RE: Lita

by DKaas on Thu Apr 24, 2014 11:33 PM

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On Apr 17, 2014 1:14 AM Baileysmom97 wrote:

First of all, you should not do a needle biopsy with suspected bladder cancer because there is risk of seeding the cancer cells throughout the body when they withdraw the needle.  The best way to confirm TCC is by spinning a urine sample and then looking at the cells under a microscope.  The TCC cells will usually show up this way. There is another option of a type of scope where they go in by the urinary tract and into the bladder and grab a piece of the tumor, but this is a bit more expensive and involved.

With most bladder cancer, it's usually confined to the bladder and does not spread right away unless it is very aggressive.  Bailey lived more than 2 years with the cancer and it had not spread.  If I remember correctly, it will usually spread first to the lungs and then either back limbs or brain.

I would try to research which vets in your area have experience with TCC or find a teaching vet hospital, even if it means traveling.  Each dog responds differently, some live a long time and some not as long, but it really makes a difference to have someone who really has knowledge when it comes to TCC.  I'm sure the vets all mean well, but it's just a guessing game if they haven't had the experience with TCC.

Good info. My dog was "diagnosed" via an ultrasound so it sounds like we need a more affirmative test. Hers may be on the bladder wall. We did xrays also and looks like if it is cancer, it has not spread. The ultrasound showed an enlarged lumbar lymph node but 6 weeks ago, that did not present on an ultrasound so not sure if it did spread or if node is enlarged because inflamed. I live in Colorado and have a specialty oncologist seeing her.

RE: Lita

by Litasmomma on Fri Apr 25, 2014 01:30 AM

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I took Lita to the oncologist and they did a rectal exam and a vaginal swab. They sent out the cells and they definitely are cancer. Her tumor is pressing against her colon making her poop smaller and thinner, but it has not spread. We took her off the Peroxicam and put her on Metacam. I gotta tell you Lita is really doing great right now. No blood clots or any blood for 5 days and she is still peeing a lot. The oncologist told me what I should look for to know when Lita becomes critical. If her diapers have no urine or she can no longer urinate or if it becomes too much for her to poop. First we would try stool softeners and then monitor. But even the oncologist told me she does not think Lita is suffering. She's eating like a piggy and playing with her sisters, etc. I look at it this way, I thought a month ago that I was going to have to put her to sleep so every day I get with her is a blessing. I cherish every moment spoiling her and giving her all the table food and treats her little belly can hold. I shower her with prayers, hugs, kisses and all the love I can to make her feel as special as she is. We celebrate every bowel movement with clapping and kisses and when I change her diaper and there is pee in there we thank God for a few more moments we can be together. The oncologist said Lita is defying the odds.... What a little fighter!!!

RE: Lita

by DKaas on Fri Apr 25, 2014 02:50 AM

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On Apr 25, 2014 1:30 AM Litasmomma wrote:

I took Lita to the oncologist and they did a rectal exam and a vaginal swab. They sent out the cells and they definitely are cancer. Her tumor is pressing against her colon making her poop smaller and thinner, but it has not spread. We took her off the Peroxicam and put her on Metacam. I gotta tell you Lita is really doing great right now. No blood clots or any blood for 5 days and she is still peeing a lot. The oncologist told me what I should look for to know when Lita becomes critical. If her diapers have no urine or she can no longer urinate or if it becomes too much for her to poop. First we would try stool softeners and then monitor. But even the oncologist told me she does not think Lita is suffering. She's eating like a piggy and playing with her sisters, etc. I look at it this way, I thought a month ago that I was going to have to put her to sleep so every day I get with her is a blessing. I cherish every moment spoiling her and giving her all the table food and treats her little belly can hold. I shower her with prayers, hugs, kisses and all the love I can to make her feel as special as she is. We celebrate every bowel movement with clapping and kisses and when I change her diaper and there is pee in there we thank God for a few more moments we can be together. The oncologist said Lita is defying the odds.... What a little fighter!!!

That is awesome. We are just starting so researching holistic in addition to traditional is the task for the day. Onocologist is tomorrow. Have you tried any supplements or herbs to increase immunity or help in other ways?

RE: Lita

by Litasmomma on Fri Apr 25, 2014 03:11 AM

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Yes!!! Frankensense is an essential oil that I mix with coconut oil and rub on the pads of her feet and tummy every morning and every night. Lita has also been on Clavamox since her diagnosis as well as Peroxicam. I also give her 3 tsp of yogurt with the Peroxicam and now with the new NSAID medication. This relieves her stomach upset from the medicine. I give her cranberry juice, too.
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