Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

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RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by scootersmom on Sun Nov 26, 2017 01:25 PM

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First I’m sorry your baby has this cancer. You do want to add a stomach protectant because the piroxicam can cause stomach ulcers. So even if you don’t see vomiting or diarrhea, it’s mesnt to coat the stomach. My girl was 20 lbs and she took 1 (10mg) Pepcid ac a day. Talk to your cetabiut this and even if they don’t recommend it, it’s fine to give. MOST vets insist on it. Are you on Facebook? There is a large TCC Facebook community for support too.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by donita on Sun Nov 26, 2017 06:04 PM

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Thanks scootersmom, I'm sorry, too. She's such a unique little creature... I guess everybody thinks that about their dogs.

I will talk to her doctor tomorrow about the stomach protectant. N-saids - that's the same thing they say about Advil causing stomach ulcers in humans. With her advanced age they might just be thinking it's unnecessary, but will definitely look into it and start.

I just found two Facebook groups, requested to join both. I'm so glad I found this board. Thanks to all y'all.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by roseL on Mon Nov 27, 2017 01:57 PM

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On Nov 26, 2017 6:04 PM donita wrote:

Thanks scootersmom, I'm sorry, too. She's such a unique little creature... I guess everybody thinks that about their dogs.

I will talk to her doctor tomorrow about the stomach protectant. N-saids - that's the same thing they say about Advil causing stomach ulcers in humans. With her advanced age they might just be thinking it's unnecessary, but will definitely look into it and start.

I just found two Facebook groups, requested to join both. I'm so glad I found this board. Thanks to all y'all.

Wishing you the best outcomes for you precious friend. This is so difficult to bear.  I learned things on this forum I wish I had known sooner for my boy. I know you will find support here. I was lucky my Boo was diagnosed very early and we had a good 18 months before symptoms made letting him go on impossible. It is an impossible burden to bear and more than two months out I am still heart broken over it even with all the mental preparation I thought I had. 

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by HarveysMom on Mon Dec 18, 2017 01:33 AM

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1st I want to thank all of you for sharing your experiences and maintaining this discussion for so many years.  I've gained a lot of insight reading all the posts, but am still not comfortable/confident deciding on the next step. 

My "little man" Harvey is a 12yrs old beagle originally diagnosed with a prostate tumor in October 2017 via ultrasound.  He started on Deramaxx.  It helped him have more normal poops and less accidents in the house.  In November we had an urgent vet visit: he started shaking for unknown reason next to me on tthe couch, then went upstairs alone and a few minutes later I heard him vomiting.  I went upstairs and also found he had peed/pooped all over the upstairs in that ti.e period.  The vet did another ultrasound and informed me the tumor had started to infiltrate Harvey's bladder.  His Deramaxx dose was increased and he started on Prozasin to attempt to dilate his urethra as his urine flow had gradually decreased over the month.  The vet & I spoke over the phone early December re Harvey's progress. I asked about Peroxicam as I'd seen it mentioned online and I wasn't sure the med changes were making much difference.  The vet also told me he further looked into Prozasin and the literature didn't show much effectiveness.  Last week we switched him to Peroxicam (instead of Deramaxx) and then we also took him off Prozasin to see if anything changed.  Harvey resumed Prozasin as the 4days without it i noticed decreased urine stream (1st squirts, then yesterday a trickle).  Over the last month Harvey has waivered between difficulty peeing/pooping (discomfort) andtaking many attempts to go but without bothering him. Last night he changed drastically= shaking again, dry hot nose (dehydrated), making grumble noises and minimal urine output plus stretching to pee/poop.  Harvey was admitted to an emergency animal hospital and ultrasound showed his urethra nearly fully blocked.  A catheter was placed overnight allowing him to pass urine and he ate well & pooped this morning.  This afternoon I was called by the emergency vet to discuss Harvey peeing "as they expected"(???), "poor prognosis overall plus limited treatment options / treatment outcomes not good", andchest  xray showing lung mets (???3 areas).  ???= my emotions made it difficult to really absorb what he said and think clearly).  Harvey really had been acting like his usual content self except when out to pee/poop up until yesterday.  Though he's been increasingly picky with dog food (still very interested in people food).  An oncology vet will see him tomorrow and call me to discuss care plan, but the emergency vet made it seem like stenting to get 2mo more or euthanizing are our options now.  He also told me these cancers don't usually give signs it's time to pass from the dog.  This worried me as in October I was planning on Harvey giving me the signal when it was time.   As others on this site have said, i don't want him to suffer (via stent complications or if tgge days it gives him are painful), but I also don't ever want to short change him any quality time he has left by euthanizing now.  Finances are a concern for me now as well: the Emergency Hospitalization has been quoted as $2,250 for this weekend, and I feel guilty taking cost intoconsideration when it comes to the quantity or quality of his life.  

Please, any advice you can give is helpful as i struggle to decide which way to take his care plan.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by scootersmom on Mon Dec 18, 2017 02:24 AM

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On Dec 18, 2017 1:33 AM HarveysMom wrote:

1st I want to thank all of you for sharing your experiences and maintaining this discussion for so many years.  I've gained a lot of insight reading all the posts, but am still not comfortable/confident deciding on the next step. 

My "little man" Harvey is a 12yrs old beagle originally diagnosed with a prostate tumor in October 2017 via ultrasound.  He started on Deramaxx.  It helped him have more normal poops and less accidents in the house.  In November we had an urgent vet visit: he started shaking for unknown reason next to me on tthe couch, then went upstairs alone and a few minutes later I heard him vomiting.  I went upstairs and also found he had peed/pooped all over the upstairs in that ti.e period.  The vet did another ultrasound and informed me the tumor had started to infiltrate Harvey's bladder.  His Deramaxx dose was increased and he started on Prozasin to attempt to dilate his urethra as his urine flow had gradually decreased over the month.  The vet & I spoke over the phone early December re Harvey's progress. I asked about Peroxicam as I'd seen it mentioned online and I wasn't sure the med changes were making much difference.  The vet also told me he further looked into Prozasin and the literature didn't show much effectiveness.  Last week we switched him to Peroxicam (instead of Deramaxx) and then we also took him off Prozasin to see if anything changed.  Harvey resumed Prozasin as the 4days without it i noticed decreased urine stream (1st squirts, then yesterday a trickle).  Over the last month Harvey has waivered between difficulty peeing/pooping (discomfort) andtaking many attempts to go but without bothering him. Last night he changed drastically= shaking again, dry hot nose (dehydrated), making grumble noises and minimal urine output plus stretching to pee/poop.  Harvey was admitted to an emergency animal hospital and ultrasound showed his urethra nearly fully blocked.  A catheter was placed overnight allowing him to pass urine and he ate well & pooped this morning.  This afternoon I was called by the emergency vet to discuss Harvey peeing "as they expected"(???), "poor prognosis overall plus limited treatment options / treatment outcomes not good", andchest  xray showing lung mets (???3 areas).  ???= my emotions made it difficult to really absorb what he said and think clearly).  Harvey really had been acting like his usual content self except when out to pee/poop up until yesterday.  Though he's been increasingly picky with dog food (still very interested in people food).  An oncology vet will see him tomorrow and call me to discuss care plan, but the emergency vet made it seem like stenting to get 2mo more or euthanizing are our options now.  He also told me these cancers don't usually give signs it's time to pass from the dog.  This worried me as in October I was planning on Harvey giving me the signal when it was time.   As others on this site have said, i don't want him to suffer (via stent complications or if tgge days it gives him are painful), but I also don't ever want to short change him any quality time he has left by euthanizing now.  Finances are a concern for me now as well: the Emergency Hospitalization has been quoted as $2,250 for this weekend, and I feel guilty taking cost intoconsideration when it comes to the quantity or quality of his life.  

Please, any advice you can give is helpful as i struggle to decide which way to take his care plan.

First I’m so sorry your boy has this cancer. I sort of worry you are running out of options as well. The trickle means he has a blockage. I’m a part of a Facebook TCC group and it seems for some stentcsnbean option but it feels more short term. Just weeks or a a few months. It becomes such a difficult decision. Do you buy weeks or months? You mentioned a financial concern here too. I know some have tried a type of radiation and I’m sorry I don’t know what kind. Again this seems to buy a little more time. We didn’t do these things. We did piroxicam and an oral chemo pill and we stuck by her and loved her and spoiled her the best we knew how. In some ways I wonder if I could have bought her months by going the chemo/radiation route but I know it’s not healthy to think that way. I hope the consult gives you answers or at least peace of mind you are taking care of your baby the best you know how. As hard as it is, know you do the best you can every day. I hate this cancer. I really wish you the best and pray there is something they can offer. Let me also say I know the finance part is so difficult. Many cannot afford the thousands to get months and if they are lucky the year or more out of this. With the resources you have, you do the very best you can. Hope this helps a bit n

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by roseL on Mon Dec 18, 2017 01:55 PM

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On Dec 18, 2017 1:33 AM HarveysMom wrote:

1st I want to thank all of you for sharing your experiences and maintaining this discussion for so many years.  I've gained a lot of insight reading all the posts, but am still not comfortable/confident deciding on the next step. 

My "little man" Harvey is a 12yrs old beagle originally diagnosed with a prostate tumor in October 2017 via ultrasound.  He started on Deramaxx.  It helped him have more normal poops and less accidents in the house.  In November we had an urgent vet visit: he started shaking for unknown reason next to me on tthe couch, then went upstairs alone and a few minutes later I heard him vomiting.  I went upstairs and also found he had peed/pooped all over the upstairs in that ti.e period.  The vet did another ultrasound and informed me the tumor had started to infiltrate Harvey's bladder.  His Deramaxx dose was increased and he started on Prozasin to attempt to dilate his urethra as his urine flow had gradually decreased over the month.  The vet & I spoke over the phone early December re Harvey's progress. I asked about Peroxicam as I'd seen it mentioned online and I wasn't sure the med changes were making much difference.  The vet also told me he further looked into Prozasin and the literature didn't show much effectiveness.  Last week we switched him to Peroxicam (instead of Deramaxx) and then we also took him off Prozasin to see if anything changed.  Harvey resumed Prozasin as the 4days without it i noticed decreased urine stream (1st squirts, then yesterday a trickle).  Over the last month Harvey has waivered between difficulty peeing/pooping (discomfort) andtaking many attempts to go but without bothering him. Last night he changed drastically= shaking again, dry hot nose (dehydrated), making grumble noises and minimal urine output plus stretching to pee/poop.  Harvey was admitted to an emergency animal hospital and ultrasound showed his urethra nearly fully blocked.  A catheter was placed overnight allowing him to pass urine and he ate well & pooped this morning.  This afternoon I was called by the emergency vet to discuss Harvey peeing "as they expected"(???), "poor prognosis overall plus limited treatment options / treatment outcomes not good", andchest  xray showing lung mets (???3 areas).  ???= my emotions made it difficult to really absorb what he said and think clearly).  Harvey really had been acting like his usual content self except when out to pee/poop up until yesterday.  Though he's been increasingly picky with dog food (still very interested in people food).  An oncology vet will see him tomorrow and call me to discuss care plan, but the emergency vet made it seem like stenting to get 2mo more or euthanizing are our options now.  He also told me these cancers don't usually give signs it's time to pass from the dog.  This worried me as in October I was planning on Harvey giving me the signal when it was time.   As others on this site have said, i don't want him to suffer (via stent complications or if tgge days it gives him are painful), but I also don't ever want to short change him any quality time he has left by euthanizing now.  Finances are a concern for me now as well: the Emergency Hospitalization has been quoted as $2,250 for this weekend, and I feel guilty taking cost intoconsideration when it comes to the quantity or quality of his life.  

Please, any advice you can give is helpful as i struggle to decide which way to take his care plan.

I am so sorry for you and for Harvey. I recently faced this same situation with my 12 year old Schipperke. It is an impossible decision and I hope they have a workable solution for you. The notice of this popped into my inbox just as I was having another cry about what happened with Boo. He had 4 chemo treatments when his TCC was first diagnosed after an ultrasound for something else entirely. I am trying to feel that we were lucky in that we knew and could manage the disease for awhile and that the end would be easier but it was as tragic as it could have been. He too lost the ability to pee and poop and it all happened so quickly. His regular checkup was a good one just two weeks before the late stage symptoms apeared. We tried to correct the UTIs with antibiotics but when he could no longer go we had an ultrasound that confirmed for us that the tumor had dobled in size. We has spent ten thousand dollars on his chemo treaments and were absolutely unable to afford more major treatments. We had stabilization for about 18 months and then the tumor came on with a venganccce. When they told me his lymph nodes were also enlarged I knew it was a matter of time and not alot of it at that. We made the decision to euthanize and the last few days I saw that Boo was in more pain and discomfort than I realized. I feel awful about this still and I think I always will. I keep searching the internet for some information that there was a better option but I am pretty confident that in Oct 2017 there was no better option for him. Anything we might have been able to do would have caused him more pain and stress for so little time. I feel your pain and it is real and I can only suggest that you think of this as something you decide for Harvey and his best outcomes. I wish you peace and I hope they have a good solution for you. I was grateful to receive this message when I did.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by Helenpatricia on Mon Sep 24, 2018 10:38 PM

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Our wonderful 12 year old Cocket Spaniel, Shadow was diagnosed with this horrid disease 4 months ago and is being treated with Loxicom. He's been doing great up until the last week or so but now passing lots of clots and having frequent accidents in the house, which he never did before. He doesn't seem to be in any pain, is still loving his food and wanting to go for walks. The question which I haven't really wanted to ask is how did those of you who have lost your beloved pets, know when the time was right? My son who's has been his best buddy for 12 years has just left for university and although he knows, is in denial. People keep telling me that I will know, but what I really want to avoid, if possible is a situation where he is distressed and in pain and that his best buddy doesn't get to say goodbye ??

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by semtchr on Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:21 PM

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I am so sorry you and Shadow are going through this horrible cancer. It's been 5 years since my Scotty passed and I can pinpoint three things that signaled the time right before she passed. First she stopped sleeping with me and instead stayed on a blanket by the kitchen door. Second she completely stopped eating and third she could only walk to the end of the driveway before having to go back to the house. Three months before she passed I spoke with my vet about having her pass at home so there would be less stress for Kenzie and so I could make the arrangements with a clear head. It does not sound like Shadow is at the end so let him eat, play and take all the long walks he wants with you. When it is time you will sense that something with Shadow is different and that is how you will know. Then it might be time to let your son know so he can say good-bye. This is a gut-wrenching process so for now I wish you much, much more time to share love with your sweet Shadow. Bless you both!

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by everley on Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:04 AM

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On Sep 24, 2018 10:38 PM Helenpatricia wrote:

Our wonderful 12 year old Cocket Spaniel, Shadow was diagnosed with this horrid disease 4 months ago and is being treated with Loxicom. He's been doing great up until the last week or so but now passing lots of clots and having frequent accidents in the house, which he never did before. He doesn't seem to be in any pain, is still loving his food and wanting to go for walks. The question which I haven't really wanted to ask is how did those of you who have lost your beloved pets, know when the time was right? My son who's has been his best buddy for 12 years has just left for university and although he knows, is in denial. People keep telling me that I will know, but what I really want to avoid, if possible is a situation where he is distressed and in pain and that his best buddy doesn't get to say goodbye ??

Im so sorry to hear about Shadow. I lost my sweet Tessa to this awful thing. I was just like you and worried all the time about "when" and "how will I know?" and everyone told me that I would just know. She became very ill on a Sunday (of course) she had eaten her breakfast very agressively that day and then later on began acting strange. Her motor skills changed, she seemed very disoriented, almost drunk in ways. It was then I knew I was going to have to take her in first thing the next day for the dreaded decision. She slept most of the day, wouldnt eat or drink and would only get up to change postitions on the floor. I brought my pillow and bedding into the living room to stay with her. She always went into my moms room to sleep but that night she didnt. Sadly she passed away that night. I recognized the breathing and was right there by her side when she took her last breath. I was bawling my eyes out. You too will know and we are all here for you and Shadow. Hugs.

RE: Canine Bladder Cancer Final Stages

by LoMonaco12 on Tue Sep 25, 2018 04:24 PM

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I am so sorry you and Shadow are going through this.  It is very difficult.  Here is how I knew my Stuart was on his final last 2 days.  He started obvious signs he just did not feel good.  On day two he began panting and was inside a nice cool home. It was a sunday afternoon and I watched  him closely all day.   By that evening the panting was constant and he snipped at  my husband just petting him.  We immediately took him to the pet hospital and said good bye.  It was hard but we knew he was in pain and it was quick!  You will know. 

He did live about 12 months longer than my doctor thought.   I began a high protein very low carb diet of homemade food.  Put dog diapers on him  (from amazon) velcro kind.Added a mens depends to it so I didnt have messes.

You may want to research natural remedies and such.  Tumeric paste, ginger, etc to help him.  Perhaps even research CBD oils, DMSO and Collodial silver.  I am not a vet and cannot advise how these interact with your dogs meds but you can do the research and decide.  HUGS to you.

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