Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

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RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by cscottandcarly on Sun Aug 30, 2015 06:14 PM

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Hello out there in CancerLand!

So, I am going to post information that may answer some of the questions that I am getting.  I will provide any and all info that I can, because, I guess I didn't realize until now how unusual it is for a Stage IV cancer patient to forgo Chemo and try a diffferent method.  I figured since Medical Marijuana was legal in so many places, lots of people must have tried it! There really is quite a bit of science supporting the possibility, I just assumed people would try it first since it isn't very toxic.  I was hoping those folks would give me some guidance as we traveled down that road.  

So here we are-alone--on the Cannabrick Road!!!  So I am going to tell what we experience, as we experience it and you can maybe get some information that you can use in your journey.

Please forgive my extreme verbosity-but I went to college for creative writing, and now you guys are my victims.

So here is a quick rundown--

We decided to Cannabis Oil after researching treatment options after Scott's first chemo round- there was major spreading to his liver-moving us to Stage IV in a matter of six weeks. 

Basically, since we were not having chemo at the time and we were terrified of chemo anyway, we just thought, let us give it a whirl  

So, we decided to try Cannabis Oil for two months.  And Scott's Oncologist said that it seemed not an unreasonable thing to attempt.   

I also think we are so much more open to this for several other reasons-

The first reason we are willing to try this for a few months is that we are now at Stage IV Colon cancer with Liver Metastasis - unresectionable and unradiateable- all over his liver-  

The statistics show that Scott is up against huge odds with the currently offered therapy- Folfox, Folfiri, and then the added targeted therapies, several of which Scott is not a candidate for because of his identified gene mutations. I think it is 8-14% five year survival rate.

The second reason we are willing to do this is- We have seen Scott's battle with epilepsy conquered by Charlotte's Web Oil.  He was in a coma twice in one year-2013- because of seizures-intractable epilepsy caused by a 1990 major head injury (and perhaps caused by a hereditary predisposition to seizures) but needless to say-from the day he too his first dose of Charlotte's Web, Scott has never had a Grand Mal Seizure! Not one, not even with the stress of a horrible cancer diagnosis!

So, We are started the THC Oil on August 1st- about two grams per week broken out in tiny doses throughout the day, and then we started taking the Colorado Cannabis Oil/RSO on August 11th.  We have are getting close to finishing the first 30 grams and will head to Denver Monday to pick up his next 30- The RSO protocol -if it is called that claims that it takes 60 grams to get rid of the cancer.  We have moved very quickly to almost two grams a day, and I think he can tolerate it because he is on a high dose of CBD for seizures. Or it is because he is freaking Superman!!! 

He already eats close to the vegetarian and he doesn't drink alcohol at all-and hasn't ever hardly because of his seizures and anti-epileptic meds-which he was taking four of when we moved here-and now he is a few hundred millgrams away from being completely weaned off of them.

Currently, his only cancer treatment is Charlotte's Web CBD Oil (two grams per week) and Colorado Cannabis Oil (two grams per day) 

If anyone wants to email me personally and give me their email, I will send you images of his CT Scans. We will see Scott's oncologist again on the 3rd.  

Please know that I am not foolish to believe that this is a cure for Scott's cancer, I just am so very overwhelmed and I truly did not expect something like this. The doctor's are floored and I want to share any information that may help other folks.  I am just so relieved we tried this without any other treatment, but I didn't realize that hardly anyone else has done this! That seems odd, since it has been legal medically for quite some time in many places.  Maybe it isn't the Cannabis and it is just a miracle... I don't know. I hope it is not a miracle, I think it would be easier to get a hold of THC Oil than a random miracle getting distributed.  

Anyway, feel free to email me privately if you want more info.

I am more than willing to share pretty much any info that can be of help to others.  This is Cancer is some serious stuff and I don't want my sweet 42 year old husband of twenty years to die!

Carly

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by Zulaa on Mon Aug 31, 2015 04:56 AM

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HI Carly,

I am glad to hear that Scott is doing better. I just started my mother on RSO who has pancreatic stage 4 cancer. It is very powerful oil so she has been high all day. The THC potent is very high. We made it ourselves. My question to you is:

1) what was the color of Scott's urine? Was it dark brown?

2) how was his appetite? My mother sleeps all day so i have to wake her up to feed her. She also cannot walk or stand up on her own ever since she had the oil.

Please help with anything you know about this? Thank you! 

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by mirz34 on Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:09 PM

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Hi everyone, 

I was wondering how does someone use the cannabis oil if they have colon cancer? Do they just drink a drop of it ? Can someone please explain how its used and what are some authentic websites where I can buy cannabis oil? Please I need help. 

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by cscottandcarly on Tue Sep 01, 2015 01:49 AM

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Scott is using about two grams a day.  It is an oil that looks like thick tar.  It comes pre-loaded in a syringe (not like an iv or shot syringe)- it's just like the kind of medicine syringe the pharmacy gives out for the kids antibiotics. 

Scott started out by taking small drop, the size of a grain of rice, and we increased pretty quickly over days and weeks.  He also takes CBD Oil Charlottes Web- which he also took in small doses at first.  He takes this primarily at bed time, where the THC Oil, he takes throughout the day.  

It sounds like most people are knocked out by THC Oil, but Scott has had not any issues.  He isn't even particularly high feeling or sleepy, but again, he has spent months taking in marijuana products for his epilepsy. I have read of studies showing that having a balance of high CBD and high THC can help minimize the psychoactive effects-maybe that’s why Scott has had no problems   There is also evidence that thes two components may work well together to fight cancer.

The psychoactive effect may not be so bad for Scott because he has the freedom to rest (and heal?) at his own will. And I am sure this helps make the therapy seem less overwhelming. Everyday, he at home in comfort with his kids around him, making sure he eats and making sure he keeps that oil going in and he sits in the sun a lot.  He is not trying to work or do a bunch high energy things- he is not trying to pretend he doesn't have cancer--healing is key.  Right now he can rest when he wants to and be active when he wants. But mostly it seems like his body wants him to rest. And we are going to be okay with that as long as the scans come back better and better...

We shall see.  

He has only been on the THC oil for a total of thirty days (21 on Colorado Cannabis Oil) but he has been on Charlottes Web Oil for almost five months and I think there might be a connection between the effectiveness and the keeping control the challenges of dealing with the high. 

I also just learned of creating a suppository using coconut oil and the cannabis oil and this can help minimize the high.  

The address info and website for the place we get the oil is below.

Caregivers for Life

Address: 310 St Paul St,Denver,CO80206

Phone:(720) 536-5462

http://caregiversforlife.net/colorado-cannabis-oil-aka-phoen

For the Charlottes Web Oil you can contact Realm of Caring

I don't know if they sell to cancer patients or only epileptics.  

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by cscottandcarly on Tue Sep 01, 2015 02:04 AM

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Hi Zulaa-

I cannot tell you anything except for about Scott and what we have had happen.  I definitely think that the CBD is a big part of Scott success.

How long has your mom been on the oil? How much is she taking?

If she can't stand up or walk, that seems pretty exteme. That would be alarming to me, for sure.  

Scott has never had much of an appetite but it is definitly better now.  He has gained a few pounds, actually.  

His urine is the same, but he drinks lots of water.  That is very important to healing as well.  

I hope this helps. 

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by cscottandcarly on Tue Sep 01, 2015 02:31 AM

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I should have also said, he takes the drop of oil on his tongue-sometimes he puts it on a tiny piece of bread or a small piece of chocolate.

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by Zulaa on Tue Sep 01, 2015 03:31 AM

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Thank you Carly for your response. It helped a lot. We do have CBd only tinctures. She was taking it for two weeks before the oil. I am thinking may be I should continue giving her CBD tinctures so she is not high as a kyte. I do also worry about her sleeping all day. I have read that it is common but still worried. Her daily fever and swelling in her feet stopped since the oil. She is on day 7. She was taking 1/2 grain of rice for four days and I doibled it on day 5. We want to get to gram a day as soon as possible since her cancer spread to her liver. We lost my mother's sister last year for pancreatic cancer, brother and mother to pancreatic cancer few years ago. So we know how deadly this cancer is. I do have tremendous hope that this oil will save my mother. Thanks again.

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by LetsDoThis on Tue Sep 01, 2015 09:00 AM

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Hello,

With regard to how the oil is taken for colon cancer:

We buy ours in cubes, they are made with coconut oil and remin solid. Justin then takes about a 1cm cube each day. We started off tiny and have increased over time. He takes them orally, like a tablet however we were told that it would be most effective taken as a suppository, Justin isn't keen on doing this!

In the begining Justin was taking it at night, so that the drowsiness wouldn't effect him during the day. This didn't work well for him as it would cause a panic effect in the night and he would wake up all confused and in a panic. He now takes it first thing and has no effects at all. He is tired but he has had 2 years of treament and has cancer so tiredness is to be expected.

Just thought I would chip my 2 penc worth in!

Amy x

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by Zulaa on Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:57 PM

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Thanks Amy for sharing your experience with us. I tried asking question about the oil with Pancrearic cancer forum people but no one has replied yet so I am guessing there is not many people using the oil for alternative treatment. Only forum discussion I could find on cannabis oil was here under colon cancer forum. May be I am typing the wrong phrase in search box.

RE: Stage IV Colon Cancer-THC Cannabis Oil Therapy

by cscottandcarly on Wed Sep 02, 2015 04:58 PM

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I found the article posted below, and it is really informative-Sorry I have no citation-I forgot to copy the site name when I saved it.

It refers to scientific studies-which I plan to research tonight-

These studies may explain the miracle my husband's incredibly shrinking liver lesions.  I will say this again, please know I am not living in a fantasy world, I know things can change, but this is so amazing I cannot help but be hopeful beyond all hope!  We have an appointment with Scott's Oncologist tomorrow, so we will learn a lot more then.  

I will keep everyone posted...good, bad or indifferent

Here is the article.

"Despite modern advancements, colon cancerremains the second most deadly form of cancer in the Western world. In 2008, colon cancer (also known as colorectal cancer or bowel cancer) was diagnosed in over 1 million individuals and was responsible for more than 600,000 deaths worldwide.

What makes matters worse is that colon cancer seems to affect almost anyone. Experts say that 75-95% of colon cancer is unrelated to genetics, making it difficult to pinpoint who might actually be at risk.

On the other hand, support for the use of medical marijuana in cancer therapy has grown tremendously over the past few decades and recent studies provide strong evidence of its potential as a treatment for colon cancer.

Can Marijuana Fight Cancer?

Marijuana is rich in compounds known as cannabinoids, which include THC (

Interestingly, research also suggests that endocannabinoids may even be more effective than chemotherapy at fighting cancer.

A study published in 2010 found that anandamide could kill colon cancer cells that were resistant to chemotherapy – a problem that affects approximately 40% of patients. The study also found that while anandamide induced programmed cell death (apoptosis) in diseased cells, it left healthy cells unharmed. As such, the researchers concluded that increasing the body’s cannabinoid levels has the potential to be a safe and effective treatment for colon cancer.

THC, CBD andColonCancer

Like endocannabinoids, compounds found in marijuana have been shown to fight cancer by acting on the body’s innate cannabinoid system. Research has mostly focused on THC and CBD, since they are both present at high concentrations in the cannabis plant.

A study published in 2007 found that marijuana-derived THC could induce apoptosis in human cell lines of colon cancer. The apoptosis effect was observed to be dose-dependent, meaning that higher doses led to higher rates of cancer cell death, leading the authors to conclude that THC could be an effective treatment for the disease.

“The use of THC, or selective targeting of the CB1 receptor, may represent a novel strategy for colorectal cancer therapy.”

Excerpt from The cannabinoid delta(9)-tetrahydrocannabinol inhibits RAS-MAPK and PI3K-AKT survival signalling and induces BAD-mediated apoptosis in colorectal cancer cells. (2007)

Other studies have focused on CBD – due to its lack of psychoactive properties – and have documented similar results.

A study published in 2011 found that CBD was effective at both inducing apoptosis and inhibiting cancer proliferation in human cell lines – demonstrating a two-pronged attack against colon cancer. Furthermore, a study published in 2012 found that CBD could protect against cancerous lesions and oxidative damage in rat models of colon cancer.

Interestingly, the 2012 study also found that CBD treatment increased endocannabinoid levels, suggesting that CBD can not only fight cancer directly, but indirectly as well by increasing the cancer-fighting activity of the body’s own cannabinoids.

And despite the fact that marijuana-derived compounds have yet to be clinically trialed as a cancer treatment, researchers have concluded that human studies are indeed warranted.

“In the light of its safety records… our findings suggest that cannabidiol (CBD) might be worthy of clinical consideration in colon cancer prevention.”

Excerpt from Chemopreventive effect of the non-psychotropic phytocannabinoid cannabidiol on experimental colon cancer. (2012)

Anti-Inflammatory Properties

Another well-documented effect of medical marijuana is its role in reducing inflammation.

Inflammation of the colon is believed to be a primary factor in the development and progression of a variety of bowel diseases, including ulcerative colitis, Crohn’s disease and irritable bowel syndrome. In fact, research points to medical marijuana as being an effective treatment for these disorders as well.

Interestingly, a study published in 2008 identified an increase in CB2 receptors in colon tumor tissues. Due to pre-existing evidence of the anti-inflammatory effects of CB2 receptor activation, the authors suggested that higher CB2 receptor expression in colon tumors may indicate a protective role of the endocannabinoid system against inflammation and tumor development.

Indeed, studies seems to imply that cannabinoids may even be useful in preventing the development of colon cancer itself."

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