GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

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RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by chalmj on Mon Jan 14, 2019 07:55 PM

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Peter,

Acually, I have recently discontinued GcMAF type yogurts. I still culture my own yogurt and administer it rectally but now I use a bifidobacterium based yogurt culture - 

https://www.amazon.com/Bulgarian-Bio-Yogurt-Starter-Culture/dp/B00M751PSC/ref=sr_1_5_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547491374&sr=8-5&keywords=bio+yogurt+starter+culture

All the information I found over the years always pointed to bifidobacterium as the bacteria strains that studies showed shrink tumors. The GcMAF yogurts are also supposed to have bifidobacterium strains but they are much more expensive. There may be other strains in the GcMAF yogurt too that shrinks tumors.  

At one point I used GcMAF Bravo yogurt as my main treatment. However, I feel the Keytruda immunotherapy injections I have been on now for 6 months are working and I can tell the difference, a clear tumor response, such that I have to say now the diet and GcMAF yogurt alone were not reversing the cancer - maybe just slowing it down.  

My most recent research excitement lies in exosomes, tiny nano particles from cells that travel in the blood. Exosomes from cancer cells actually have the same PDL1 checkpont inhibitors as the cancer cell membranes and downregulate the immune system systemically while cancer cells do it locally. Unreal - yet so exciting - are exosomes the mechanism cancer cells use to metatasize?

https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/cancer-cells-send-out-drone

I am hoping for an exosome blood or urine test to maybe become available in 2019 for squamous cell carcinoma. These tests should have the ability to detect cancer way before it could be seen on any scan and FINALLY provide a quantatative tumor monitor. Scans are not quantatative and are subject to human error interpretation. One company recently made exosome urine tests avaialbe for Breast and Prostate cancer.

Another company recently introduced a blood filtering machine that supposedly has the ability to filter out cancer cell exosomes in an effort to restore the immune system in cancer patients. Again - just ureal stuff. 

John 

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by PetMikRan on Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 PM

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Thanks John,

Another great reply full of really useful informtion.

The link fo the Bio Yogurt Starter was also great.

It's given me a quite a few things to look into further.

It's quite a journey that you hve been on.

Its so great that you have taken charge of it and that you are sorting it out.

Thanks again and I wish you much success.

Peter

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by PetMikRan on Tue Jan 15, 2019 05:14 PM

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John,

I have been doing a lot of info research based on the info that you gave me yesterday. The information that you supplied was really helpful.

Is the yoghurt administered rectally to bypass the harshness of the acids in the stomach and therefore to increase the effectiveness of the yoghurt?

This is probably a rookie question - How is it possible to get the yoghurt so that it can be administered rectally?

I came across a thesis on the net from Victoria University which looked at Yoghurt and Probiotic Bacteria from Commercial Starter Cultures.

It contains some very useful information.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/10834594.pdf

One of the things that struck me on Page 106 was to keep the Yoghurt in Glass rather than Plastic containers. 

In the worst case scenario then Glass is 500-1000 times better for the culture as opposed to Plastic.

Thanks again John.

Peter

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by LeighsSpouse on Wed Jan 16, 2019 04:32 AM

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On Jan 14, 2019 7:55 PM chalmj wrote:

Peter,

Acually, I have recently discontinued GcMAF type yogurts. I still culture my own yogurt and administer it rectally but now I use a bifidobacterium based yogurt culture - 

https://www.amazon.com/Bulgarian-Bio-Yogurt-Starter-Culture/dp/B00M751PSC/ref=sr_1_5_a_it?ie=UTF8&qid=1547491374&sr=8-5&keywords=bio+yogurt+starter+culture

All the information I found over the years always pointed to bifidobacterium as the bacteria strains that studies showed shrink tumors. The GcMAF yogurts are also supposed to have bifidobacterium strains but they are much more expensive. There may be other strains in the GcMAF yogurt too that shrinks tumors.  

At one point I used GcMAF Bravo yogurt as my main treatment. However, I feel the Keytruda immunotherapy injections I have been on now for 6 months are working and I can tell the difference, a clear tumor response, such that I have to say now the diet and GcMAF yogurt alone were not reversing the cancer - maybe just slowing it down.  

My most recent research excitement lies in exosomes, tiny nano particles from cells that travel in the blood. Exosomes from cancer cells actually have the same PDL1 checkpont inhibitors as the cancer cell membranes and downregulate the immune system systemically while cancer cells do it locally. Unreal - yet so exciting - are exosomes the mechanism cancer cells use to metatasize?

https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/cancer-cells-send-out-drone s-battle-immune-system-afar "" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/cancer-cells-send-out-drone target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/cancer-cells-send-out-drone

I am hoping for an exosome blood or urine test to maybe become available in 2019 for squamous cell carcinoma. These tests should have the ability to detect cancer way before it could be seen on any scan and FINALLY provide a quantatative tumor monitor. Scans are not quantatative and are subject to human error interpretation. One company recently made exosome urine tests avaialbe for Breast and Prostate cancer.

Another company recently introduced a blood filtering machine that supposedly has the ability to filter out cancer cell exosomes in an effort to restore the immune system in cancer patients. Again - just ureal stuff. 

John 

This is very intresting stuff, my wife is suffering from this horrible disease thanks for the post.

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by LeighsSpouse on Wed Jan 16, 2019 04:38 AM

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*Interesting. 

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by Redline on Wed Jan 16, 2019 09:11 AM

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I am interested to know how the yogurt is administered rectally. I know it sounds disgusting but in my case I am left with a stoma after bowel resection. In theory anything used in suppository form will go straight to the liver where my mets are. This is more targeted to the tumours.

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by chalmj on Thu Jan 17, 2019 05:10 PM

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Redline,

I purchased a 100 ml glass syringe on ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Glass-Syringe-Luer-Lock-Head-Reusab

Then an enema:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/colon-tip-enema-Rubber-Rectal-Tube-

to apply the yogurt rectally. Yes - their are 2 large blood vessels the run directly from the lower part of the colon to the liver. 

They sell GcMAF suppositories for rectal administration but I have always used a syringe. 

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by chalmj on Thu Jan 17, 2019 05:33 PM

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Peter,

Yes - rectal administration of yogurt gets the bacteria to where they want to go, the colon avoiding the stomach and digestive tract. They sell GcMAF suppositories but I use a glass syringe and enema to administer 60 ml of the bifidobacterium yogurt.

I'm checking out the link - looks like a deep dive into some useful hard to find information on bacterial research.

I would only administer yogurt rectally if it is home cultured. Nothing storebought. I use grass-fed non-homogenized whole milk. I do culture and store the yogurt in glass containers.  

John

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by Redline on Fri Jan 18, 2019 07:55 AM

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On Jan 17, 2019 5:33 PM chalmj wrote:

Peter,

Yes - rectal administration of yogurt gets the bacteria to where they want to go, the colon avoiding the stomach and digestive tract. They sell GcMAF suppositories but I use a glass syringe and enema to administer 60 ml of the bifidobacterium yogurt.

I'm checking out the link - looks like a deep dive into some useful hard to find information on bacterial research.

I would only administer yogurt rectally if it is home cultured. Nothing storebought. I use grass-fed non-homogenized whole milk. I do culture and store the yogurt in glass containers.  

John

Thanks for that john. Very informative and yes it's so important to get the cultures past the hydrochloride acid in the digestive tract,where they are mostly destroyed. So suppository or enema is ideal.or possibly some lyposomal technique. The choice of milk is paramount. It must be organic unpasteurised. Cheers Paul

RE: GcMAF Bravo Probiotic immunotherapy

by PetMikRan on Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:32 AM

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John,

Thanks for that great information.

It makes a lot of sense.

You are right about the thesis. It's a deep dive. But there is some great information in there. It's in pdf format which can be downloaded for future ref.

Something that I found in the thesis which I thought was very interesting was that they also studied Yoghurt made with Whey Protein.

Whey Protein contains all 9 external essential Amino Acids.

It's also very good at building muscle

It sounds to me like it could be very beneficial to people who are very ill and very weak.

What is your opinion on this ? Do you think that the Yoghurt with Whey Protein could also be used in the form of an enema?

Thanks again John for the superb help.

Peter

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