The ketogenic diet and cancer

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RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by chalmj on Mon Jul 15, 2019 05:02 PM

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Byburrows,

So happy to talk to another diet adventurer for truely to those who have done it the ketogenic diet is an adventure.

Yes - I found that my glucose began to rise when I was on the ketogenic diet for a long period of time. Then learned about the dawn phenomenon where constantly low insulin may lead to raised cortisol levels whcih can raise glucose levels in the blood. Began to think, well all my cells are burning fat leaving all that raised glucose for the cancer cells basically thinking the ketogenic diet may not be as benificial to cancer patients as I had first thought. 

So it does seem that it must be cyclic. I like your seasonal time frames making me think what is the best way to do this cycling? Dr. Mercola talks abut this frequently and I think he indicates cycling on a weekly basis.

I'm not sure anyone really knows the best cycling time frame. I think Dr. Steven Phiney, sort of the father of the Ketosis revolution, thinks it's OK to stay in ketosis all the time. Dr. Bary Sears talks about diet to balance hormones as they effect each other and low insulin leads to raised cortisol, etc. 

Currently, I still believe in and am eating a high fat diet but not keeping low carb. I still avoid processed man made high carb foods but I am not measuring ketones or glucose or keeping a food diary as I was in my strict keto days when I was convinced the ketogenic diet could be used as a primary cancer therapy. 

John

 

RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by bvburrows on Thu Jul 18, 2019 01:33 PM

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Hi John

Yes I am unsure about ketones and cancer as well.  I see where it is said that ketones can feed our normal cells but starve cancer cells but then I have read that cancer cells can feed off ketone bodies.  Starve cancer of glucose and it goes to another food source and often becomes more resilient during this change.    So it lives off what we live off which makes since cancer is nothing but our very own cells.   So I find myself in the same boat as you.  I no longer keep a very strict keto diet year round.  I have found balance.  I eat whole foods (in season), no sugar, nothing processed, no dairy/grain/soy (due to my sensitives to them).  My diet is about 50% nonstarchy vegetables.  I will go into ketosis in the winter since that is when we would have naturally been in that state unless of course you live nearer to the equator 

RE: The ketogenic diet and cancer

by chalmj on Fri Jul 19, 2019 04:31 PM

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buburrows,

I like your approach. Currently I have pretty much the same diet as when I was on a strict ketogenic diet.

I have tea in the morning (mixture of black and white tea) loaded with butter or coconut oil or MCT oil for saturated fats and avacodo or olive or algae oil for monounstaturated fats along with things like fiber, minerals, etc.

Lots of fats in the AM so I don't get hungry until my eating window which I try to keep to 6-9 PM. Ocassionally I check my glucose or ketone blood levels to find I might be in mild ketosis, but other times I find I am not. 

For a treat I eat whipped cream mixed with colostrum to boost my immune system with some 85% cocoa dark chocolate and even add some ice cream in at times. I get Bryers natural vanilla ice cream as it only has four ingredients so thinking that is better than these other ice creams that have corn syrup and other ingerdients that have no business being in ice cream. 

The two ingredient words I avoid the most are the words "enriched" and "oil" as enriched means it is a dead food with no nutritional value so they throw in synthetic chemicals like folic acid that is harmful to some 40% of the population with the MTHFR genitic variation like me and these seed oils they put in most processed foods lately because they are cheap but they are extremely harmful as they throw off the important omega3/omega6 ratio/ index. 

John  

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